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Friday, September 24, 2010
Muslims for unconditional free speech
A phrase that has never been uttered before in the history of humanity. I checked. Maybe someone said it in a bar once, but it doesn't show up on Google. But these Muslims do exist, I have a list of them right here. And here's what they've said:
We, the undersigned, unconditionally condemn any intimidation or threats of violence directed against any individual or group exercising the rights of freedom of religion and speech; even when that speech may be perceived as hurtful or reprehensible. We are concerned and saddened by the recent wave of vitriolic anti-Muslim and anti-Islamic sentiment that is being expressed across our nation. We are even more concerned and saddened by threats that have been made against individual writers, cartoonists, and others by a minority of Muslims. We see these as a greater offense against Islam than any cartoon, Qur’an burning, or other speech could ever be deemed. We affirm the right of free speech for Molly Norris, Matt Stone, Trey Parker, and all others including ourselves.
Check out the names, Google them. Some of them are as pure as the driven snow. Some have said stuff so odious it would shame a Pope. But that is what free speech is all about isn't it? Freedom for even the most prickish of our fellow citizens to say absurd and hateful garbage (and concomitantly, the freedom for the rest of us to call them pricks).
And if these people are willing to stand up and sign their names to a letter in defence of the rights of Cartman and 'Everyone Draw Mohamed Day' lady - then I feel much less like a dupe for standing up and defending their right to hate on Israel and sing the praises of Libby Davies.
You can read the full statement here.
Posted by Robert Jago on September 24, 2010 in Freedom of expression, Religion | Permalink
Comments
I do not believe these Muslim's sincerity. Just like when I hear Muslims condemning terrorism. The Koran instructs Muslims to practice Taqiyya. That is, a Muslim is to lie and deceive non Muslims if it advances Islam. According to the Koran, non-Muslims and non-Muslim countries are enemies. So deceiving Westerners is acceptable and even encouraged. Because of Taqiyya I can never trust a Muslim or a group of Muslims in anything they say.
Posted by: StanleyR | 2010-09-24 10:53:52 PM
May God help muslims everywhere to renounce islam and convert. This action would be infinitely more realistic and believable. Nevertheless, I welcome the statement.
Posted by: Agha Ali Arkhan | 2010-09-24 11:48:59 PM
@StanleyR: do you have any evidence to back up your paranoid ramblings? Taqy doesn't count.
Posted by: Cytotoxic | 2010-09-25 3:32:32 PM
@Cytotoxic:
Have you seen the little over 8 minute video "3 things you must know about Islam"? It explains Taqiyya as one of the 3 things. The other 2 are terrifying too.
In addition, I have the book "Because they hate" by Brigitte Gabriel. It is a terrifying book on the reality of Islam and its implication for the world if Islam achieves global power. This is a lady who is a Christian of the Maronite tradition in Lebanon. She writes about the Koran doctrine of Taqiyya, it is chilling.
She lived through the horror of being a non-Muslim living in a Muslim Middle East. She writes about a dark world, if Muslims practice their religion unhindered and have the power.
She and countless people from the Middle East who have renounced Islam or like her as a Christian in an Islamic world say, what a Muslim says in Arabic or Farsi to their own fellow Muslims is the opposite what they say to a white Westerner or the Western media in English.
Wahid Shoebat a former PLO man who was a Muslim and became a Christian witnessed this double talk every time when he was a Muslim witnessed the interchange with Westerners and their media and the opposite said in privacy among fellow Muslims.
Many from the non Western Islamic world who were born Muslim and raised as one who became agnostic or converted to Christianity and those as well from that part of the world who always Christian, keep warning Westerners about Islamic deception of the Koranic doctrine of Taqiyya.
Taqiyya is a tool of deception and outright lying and false impression to serve the interest of Islamic Jihad.
Posted by: StanleyR | 2010-09-25 7:28:35 PM
@StanleyR. You have it right do not back down from those enablers that will not do the research necessary to see what a danger Islam is to our way of life. We should never have let the first one in the door. They do not come here to become Canadian they come to take us over and make us an Islamic state under Sharia Law. Keep on fighting them.
Posted by: Bob Devine | 2010-09-26 1:35:41 AM
@Stan&Bob (good yokel names): unless you have evidence that these particular individuals lie, your rambling is just gibberish. We do not have the problems these Muslim majority countries do. Our Islamic integration has been a great success story in here and America. Get over it.
Posted by: Cytotoxic | 2010-09-26 11:24:29 AM
Let's take this muslim at his word and allow unfettered and unconditional freedom of speech. Expose the obvious inconsistencies and outright ignorance that Islam practices in regard to its own shortcomings. Why does Islam not condemn muslims who practise terrorism outright? Why does it not expose its participants? They are so quick to condemn Israel and the US, but not Saudi Arabia. Of course, Islam will balk at their own brave proposal. Why shouldn't they? They believe in none of the goodwill they promote.
Posted by: AB Patriot | 2010-09-26 11:48:04 AM
If one percent of the Muslim world signed this statement and were sincere, I commend them but its irrelevant. If 20% did so, its significant but won't change the game. If 40% signed up, It still leaves one sixth of humanity in a world where they can smell the victory of demographic and democratic conquest but just have to enforce submission on their own with more gusto. This, the Imams can do at their leisure once under Shariah. And when one thinks about it, supporting free speech when one is in the minority of a arguably free speech Continent, it isn't exactly a renunciation of support for the coming Caliphate.
If the Muslim apologists, PC, Multiculturalists, liberals, Democrats, pathologically tolerant appeasers, moral equivocators, leftists, whatever descriptor works, need proof, you can wait 30 years to see what happens in Calgary or Ottawa or take a look now, at Yorkshire, Malmo, Amsterdam, Brussels, Paris....... The way the Western leaders dog-piled on the now famous Pastor Jones, we are apparently under Shariah already.
Posted by: John Chittick | 2010-09-26 12:29:53 PM
@StanleyR
We should all worry about Islam achieving global power.
Not.
You are afraid enuff for all of us.
Put the comic books away, son.
If -- and this is an astronomically laughable IF -- Islam attained global power, it would only be because our society first came to be dominated by cowardly, reactionary pussies like you.
Posted by: JC | 2010-09-26 12:30:57 PM
@AB Patriot:
You are no patriot. There is nothing patriotic about pinheaded "critiques" of Islam.
Why doesn't "Christianity" condemn all the garbage perpetrated by Christians, nominal Christians and/or anybody operating within the Christian/post-Christian millieu?
Because that would make "Christianity" as dumb as you are.
Posted by: JC | 2010-09-26 12:33:55 PM
@Bob Devine:
Incredible: you manage to make even Stanley look brave.
I have never seen so many neocon bitches in one place before.
Posted by: JC | 2010-09-26 12:35:30 PM
@cytotoxic and John Chittick and JC
from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The
Historical
Roots and Contemporary Threat
Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult.
In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life. Islam
has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components.
The religious component is a beard for all of the
other components.
Islamization begins when there are sufficient
Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges. When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.
Here's how it works:
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will
be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
United States -- Muslim
0.6%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim
1.8%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%
At 2% to 5%, they
begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United
Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim
4.6%
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their
percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the
introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby
securing food preparation jobs for Muslims.. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along
with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France --
Muslim 8%
Philippines -- 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim
4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim
5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they
tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we
are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition
to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in:
Guyana -- Muslim
10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim
10%
Russia -- Muslim 15%
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian
churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread
massacres, chronic terror attacks,
and ongoing militia warfare, such as
in:
Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53..1%
Lebanon -- Muslim
59.7%
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of
all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic
cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania -- Muslim
70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim
70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the
infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt --
Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran --
Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim
98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim
90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab
Emirates -- Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' --
the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim,
the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia
-- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim
100%
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
'Before I was nine, I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family
against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris,
'The Haj'
It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim
populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter
these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate
into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable
with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would
indicate.
Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century. Well, boys and girls, today we are letting the fox guard the henhouse.
The wolves will be herding the sheep!
Obama appoints two devout Muslims to Homeland Security posts. Doesn't this make you feel safer already?
Obama and Janet Napolitano appoint Arif Alikhan, a devout Muslim, as Assistant Secretary for
Policy Development. DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano swore in Kareem Shora, a devout Muslim
who was born in Damascus, Syria, as ADC National Executive Director as a member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council (HSAC).
NOTE: Has anyone ever heard a new government official being identified as a devout Catholic, a devout Jew or a devout Protestant...? Just wondering. Devout Muslims being appointed to critical Homeland Security positions? Doesn't this make you feel safer already??
Also: This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish.
Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.
Can a good Muslim be a good American? This question was forwarded to a friend who
worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
The following is his reply:
Theologically - no . . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon God of Arabia
Religiously – no… Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)(Koran)
Scripturally - no… Because his allegiance
is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.
Geographically – no… Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a
day.
Socially - no… Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews..
Politically - no…Because he must submit to
the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.
Domestically - no… Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys
him (Quran 4:34)
Intellectually - no… Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible
to be corrupt. Philosophically - no… Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression.. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or
autocratic.
Spiritually - no… Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.
Therefore, after much study and deliberation....
Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. - - - They obviously
cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good Americans.
Call it what you wish, it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.
Newsbusters is a wonderful website.
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb-staff/2010/08/12/open-thread-three-things-you-should-know-about-islam#ixzz1Ef4mnlw2
Posted by: StanleyR | 2010-09-26 3:38:49 PM
Criticizing Islam is easy, because they operate in utter obviousness to the lies they spout. This is the 'religion of peace' that turns a blind eye to its own acts of barbarism. At the very least, Christianity permits itself review and investigation by various national (and secular) legal and law enforcement bodies, among them the Republic of Ireland, which has been caustic in its criticism of the Catholic Church. If this were an investigation of Islamic practises in the Islamic country, the police and jurists would be condemned to death by the mullahs and jihad would be declared. Of course, liberals are too blind to see the difference. I'd dare say that too many are blind to these differences. Simply put, there are and there will be no good muslims until they call into account those among who do terrorism.
Posted by: AB Patriot | 2010-09-26 5:33:07 PM
I am not reading all this. The only reason bad things are happening in the Western European countries is because their welfare states and sclerotic economies leave masses of unemployed immigrants to cause trouble. All religions come packaged with a way of life, just some of the older religions like Christianity are no longer taken "literally" by their followers, which is the future of Islam. This future can be glimpsed in the increasing commercial and modern societies of the West Pacific ex Indonesia, Bangledesh, and in the ME Turkey. The only reason Islam is a 'problem' to freedom is due the continued tolerance of regimes that support terrorism, like Iran. Even then the Islamic threat to freedom is very short term compared to Leviathan.
Posted by: Cytotoxic | 2010-09-26 5:36:22 PM
StanleyR
You either haven't been on this site long or you don't read the posts that others make. Nothing you posted is new to me and I don't think I come across as a Muslim apologist. I am proudly Islamophobic and as an atheist, I don't morally equivocate like some, about the lack of any difference between reformed Christianity, Judaism and the totally unreformed seventh Century retrograde mystic-fascism of Islam. In the battle for Western civilization, even though I don't buy the hocus pocus, I consider most Christians and Jews as allies.
Posted by: John Chittick | 2010-09-26 5:52:23 PM
Sorry John Chittick, I should not included your name in my rebuttal my apology's.
Posted by: StanleyR | 2010-09-26 9:26:33 PM
Even then the Islamic threat to freedom is very short term compared to Leviathan.
Posted by: Cytotoxic | 2010-09-26 5:36:22 PM
Sharia Law (cruel and usual punishment) is another form of Leviathan.
Leviathan in the Western World is from the brand of Secular Fundamentalism. A nanny feel good politically correct Secular Leviathan is no match against an Islamic one. Secular Moral relativists who are statists push Leviathan. These relativists worship diversity and pluralism and believe in a CBC like "we understand their grievances". Such beliefs result in surrender and a white flag to this Islamic Leviathan. By their doctrine of being inclusive Islam is invited in and before you know it, Leviathan in the form of Sharia Law snuffs out our freedom.
Moral Relativists do not die for their beliefs because of their nature of being relativists, there is nothing to die for. Muslims will die for their beliefs and would not hesitate to bring Jihad and die for it to impose THEIR Leviathan.
Posted by: StanleyR | 2010-09-26 10:13:52 PM
All religions come packaged with a way of life, just some of the older religions like Christianity are no longer taken "literally" by their followers, which is the future of Islam.
Posted by: Cytotoxic | 2010-09-26 5:36:22 PM
Since you say you did not read all of it, being a very long post I understand so to answer the above: here is part of the original post in regards to. "the future of Islam" as you put it:
Can a good Muslim be a good American? This question was forwarded to a friend who
worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
The following is his reply:
Theologically - no . . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon God of Arabia
Religiously – no… Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)(Koran)
Scripturally - no… Because his allegiance
is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.
Geographically – no… Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a
day.
Socially - no… Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews..
Politically - no…Because he must submit to
the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.
Domestically - no… Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys
him (Quran 4:34)
Intellectually - no… Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible
to be corrupt. Philosophically - no… Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression.. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or
autocratic.
Spiritually - no… Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.
Therefore, after much study and deliberation....
Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. - - - They obviously
cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good Americans.
Posted by: StanleyR | 2010-09-27 3:38:08 PM
What can be said of muslims and Islam? Threaten to burn the Quran, at act that is protected as free speech under the Constitution and the trouble starts. Any money that Pastor Long stopped because of death threats from Muhammad El Ka Blooie? And this is the true nature of Islam: oppose them and you will die. We see the world over politicians of every stripe bowing to Islam's pull. When we see serious talk of putting the UK under Sharia Law, it's gone too far. Ultimately, Islam must be seen for what it is and outlawed. There are no good muslims -- anywhere.
Posted by: AB Patriot | 2010-09-27 5:37:41 PM
Why is it that so many people refuse to see Muslims as a group of individuals instead of some sort of monolith?
Posted by: Charles | 2010-09-28 5:18:28 AM
Why is it that so many "libetarians" refuse to see what the ultimate goal is islam is?
Posted by: The Stig | 2010-09-28 6:44:14 AM
That's right Stig. There are no contradictions within Islam. Scholars haven't been fighting for hundreds of years over different interpretations. Individuals are not free to interpret those contradictions as they please. All Muslims are the same. They all want to take over the world. Please.
Posted by: Charles | 2010-09-28 12:36:47 PM
There are no contradictions within Islam.
Posted by: Charles | 2010-09-28 12:36:47 PM
No there aren't. They are quite clear what they want, anybody who has done the least little bit of research would know that. Pull your head out of your ass. No, actually leave your head up your ass, you can be an example of what "libertarianism" does to one.
Posted by: The Stig | 2010-09-28 1:24:33 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/8031570/Terror-plot-against-Britain-thwarted-by-drone-strike.html
Anyone who believes idiots like Charles and Brock that muslims should be allowed in the West should read the above Telegraph story. You have to wonder how far those two can shove their heads up their asses.
Posted by: The Stig | 2010-09-28 8:25:04 PM
All Muslims are the same. They all want to take over the world. Please.
Even if this argument is accepted, how do you differentiate? How is it known who is and who is not an Islamic terrorist? What resources are available to infiltrate these groups? What freedoms shall be limited to avoid the inevitable? What happens if the system fails to filter out the fundamentalist? Must ongoing destruction be accepted by Western societies as the price to integrate Islam? How many must die?
Posted by: Jim | 2010-09-29 1:52:48 PM
In Indonesia, we are seeing the degradation of a once-very-tolerant Muslim majority country into a sharia swamp, purely because the government is not standing up to the sharia freakos.
Our new expat blog, Ross's Right Angle, records this decline every week, sometimes every day, and currently, after a weekend of assaults by Islamist thugs against a dissenter Muslim group (Ahmadiyah)it looks like the regime may ban the persecuted minority, not the hoodlums.
But the big issue on Canada and other Western countries has to be the disgraceful ummat concept, whereby Muslims are meant to put sectarian allegiance above loyalty to their own country. When the battle starts in earnest, whose side will they be on?
Posted by: Connie | 2010-10-04 11:17:49 AM
I have a fantastically weed-free lawn. The following is how to do it.
Firstly, segmentize the lawn into small areas that can be worked on easily over a work period of about one hour. This one hour period might do a whole lawn if the whole lawn is small enough. My lawn has six segmentizations.
Secondly, with a screw driver or similar tool, and a plastic bag, remove by digging up any and every weed and unwanted plant you find on the area upon which you are working. Deposit the weeds and unwanted plants in the plastic bag for later disposal. The next day, or a couple of days later, move on to the next segmentized area. Continue until the whole lawn has been worked on.
Thirdly, repeat every month until weeds cease to appear. Then a regular walk around the whole lawn once in a while will keep the weeds and uwanted plants away.
Fourthly, be aware of how weeds and unwanted plants can migrate to your lawn. Their seeds can fly in on winds and breezes from other infected places. Their seeds can ride on the shoes of neighbours and other visitors who may walk on your lawn. Birds may even pollute your lawn with seeds in their droppings. Many ways exist for the weed seeds to enter onto a lawn.
Finally, do not be discouraged if your lawn is overwhelmed with weeds and unwanted plants. Just keep working away as instructed above. Or you may have to tear up your lawn and start all over.
Posted by: Agha Ali Arkhan | 2010-11-08 10:47:37 AM
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