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Friday, March 12, 2010

Cross party support for Prince of Pot

MPs from the 3 national parties are going to submit petitions that are calling for marijuana activist Marc Emery not to be extradited to the United States.

Conservative Party: Scott Reid
Liberal Party: Ujjal Dosanjh
New Democratic Party: Libby Davies

In an interview Mr. Dosanjh said that this was a non-partisan issue, and he’s right. But it is also an issue that goes beyond the Emery case. It goes to the heart of the sort of society that we want to live in. Do we want to live in a society where people can make their own choices as long as they do not hurt others? Or do we want to live in a society where those choices are taken away from us?

Marc Emery is not perfect, but he is a man that has always opted for the first option. More than that, he has fought his whole life for that option. I hope that the government of Canada listens to Canadians and refuse to send Mr. Emery to a dangerous high security prison for a crime with no victims.

Posted by Hugh MacIntyre on March 12, 2010 | Permalink

Comments

look out the fucking window and define gambling- its called life

and Marc Emery - the Prince of Pot
is indeed, a man with balls
who got himself sterilized -
so they might as well be tangerines

( *BTW I am sharing this discussion with college friends who are loving it - I am winning entire cases of beer thanks to your ever so predictable wipehead idiocy one liners citizen Baker)


how do we know so much about Marc Emery ?> because he tells every aspect of his life and then we take that into out memory ( you might know it as the stoner excuse file in your brain) and then we discuss these facts,,

Google "discuss" and "fact" before returning here or please wait at least 15 mins for your reactionary mind to calm down -- regret and shame ( see Google if your Mom didn;t educate you on these higher emotions) _ are not first choices for rational people to bring about a state of calming down, but when basic self control fails, these will have to do.

you have yourself a _ really nice day

depending on your time zone, 4:20 will be here just in time to take the edge off your anxiery

Posted by: 419 | 2010-03-16 11:43:37 AM


Normally I wouldn't dignify Pike's inanity with a response, but the onus is on the anti-(some)drug warriors to demonstrate harm to others.

Actually, no, it isn't. Because the drug reformers are the ones calling for change; the onus is on them. The harm drugs do was amply proven by the turn of the 20th century when they were outlawed. And if anything, they're more potent now than they were then.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2010-03-16 12:05:48 PM


LOL, heres how this will go down. I come into your neighborhood smoking one of the safest substances known to man. You fire at me. I call the cops, finish my joint, and you are arrested for being a complete menace to society. Law prefers stoners over crazy gunmen.

You're making a number of idiotic assumptions here, Baker:

1. That he misses.

2. That, provided the first shot misses, he doesn't fire again.

3. That, provided the first shot misses, and provided he doesn't fire again, that you can determine the source of the shot. Unless you see the muzzle flash, you won't even be able to tell if it came from in front or behind.

4. That, provided the first shot misses, and provided he doesn't fire again, and provided you can determine the source of the shot, he's dumb enough to fire from his own yard.

5. That dope is one of the safest products known to man. Sorry, but something that has a measurable chance of turning someone into a schizo, and a very good chance of turning him into an imbecile, doesn't qualify.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2010-03-16 12:13:48 PM


I would not miss.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-03-16 12:15:56 PM


Those laws you refer to were from 100 years ago, TODAY there are laws being made in the opposite direction.

In, what, two countries? Three maybe? You know, the Germans did win some battles during World War II...

We are! lol, Note the poles that are continually going in our favor.

The word is "polls," dickhead. And I note the votes are not. How many Marijuana Party reps were voted into office again?

Whats this "party drug" 419? Were talking about cannabis, which is the safest intoxicant on the planet, safer then most non active substances we regularly consume ie. trans fats, NaCl etc..

You have proof, then, that table salt causes psychosis? Are you talking about the theoretical harm that might ensue if someone ate his way through a boxcar of salt, or what percentage of people using something actually come out the worse for it? Delusions are a sign of psychosis, Baker.

Relaxing? Enjoying life and the people around me?

Watching the bloodshed in Mexico on TV and lifting a toke, congratulating yourself for having played your part in it, I imagine.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2010-03-16 12:19:56 PM


Educate yourself, ignorance is no excuse.

I agree. So why don't you go down to Mexico and do a whirlwind tour of the morgues? And repeat, over and over, "I enabled this."

Do you have the guts to do that, Baker?

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2010-03-16 12:22:29 PM


I did educate myself baker.
and as you can see, I reached a different understanding than you did.

Now we discuss the merits of what we discovered
Are you up for it?
Do you have $100 to back the merits of your discoveries up?
- I do

Posted by: 419 | 2010-03-16 1:11:33 PM


Heres a recent transcript of the conversation between a BC Provincial Judge and one of the former 420 Superstars " Bud The Oracle" who shows similar signs of acute cannabis intoxication as you do..

read it and see how things worked out for this senior bellicose defender of all things dope after he was busted ( yet again ) for selling a variety of party drugs notably cannabis from a storefront in the slums of Vancouver..
read carefully young Baker, as this is where you are headed if you don't smarten up and fast

*************************************************


Some quotations from the transcript. Bud

I
"MS. BEGG:...I believe he won't recognize the jurisdiction of the Court" (Duty Counsel.)

II
"THE COURT: All right. You are Mr. Kaczor?

THE ACCUSED: I am not, Your Honour. I am Bud the Oracle, officially recognized as Chief Justice Bud the Oracle from The Unincorporated Deuteronomical Society by the Parliament of Canada.

THE COURT: Also known as Bud the Oracle.

THE ACCUSED: I am not also known as Bud the Oracle. I am Bud the Oracle."

III
"THE ACCUSED: I am of the belief that I appeared befor the Parliament of Canada as Chief Justice of our own society with our own laws.
...
THE COURT: ...whatever your position with respect to your role in our society..."

IV
"THE COURT: Okay, but you'll come to court -- you'll come to the courthouse for every single date that we -- we tell you to come, and you'll come into the courtroom?

THE ACCUSED: If you call Bud the Oracle and you recognize that I have my estate -- my estate is not under your jurisdiction.

THE COURT: Oh, that's not going to happen, sir. So you can't put terms on me or the Court."

V
"THE COURT: All right. Okay. I want to give you an opportunity to rethink your answer, beause the -- the direct consequence of your answer no, you won't abide by these laws, is that I -- I must detain you.

THE ACCUSED: These are not my laws, Your Honour. I must go with the laws of God. Those are my --

THE COURT: There will be a detention order."

THE ACCUSED: my laws."

**************************************************

( sound of iron grate slamming
ambient buzz of police radios on distance and then the sound of heavy shoes on concrete slowly walking away )

Posted by: 419 | 2010-03-16 1:33:16 PM


"I am sharing this discussion with college friends who are loving it - I am winning entire cases of beer thanks to your ever so predictable wipehead idiocy one liners citizen Baker"

Wow so there's more completely ignorant people like you. Right on. Enjoy your alcohol! PS, i highly doubt this situation, did you make this up? i think you did. But right on, how in any way is this an argument against cannabis being illegal. You gamble for a substance that is highly dangerous compared to cannabis and also highly addictive when compared to all drugs.

"how do we know so much about Marc Emery ?> because he tells every aspect of his life and then we take that into out memory ( you might know it as the stone excuse file in your brain) and then we discuss these facts"

I did not ask how. I was merely stating the fact that you are much more interested in him then the average cannabis user.

"Google "discuss" and "fact" before returning here or please wait at least 15 mins for your reactionary mind to calm down"

Im still waiting for you to back up your OD claim and others. Or was what you wrote earlier not in anyway factual?

Posted by: Baker | 2010-03-16 2:29:22 PM


While Emery is imprisoned, he can do three productive things:

1) escape the influence of illegal narcotics. Clearing his system will aid his rehabilitation.

2) Find God. Only through Jesus can he become a fuller human being. He can then repent his sins, aid the victims of his crimes, and return to society as a productive citizen.

3) Read some history. He clearly knows nothing about the world around him.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-03-16 2:49:02 PM


Baker, you keep harping on the OD rate because it's pretty much the only statistic you have going for you. Thalidomide didn't cause any OD deaths either than I can determine, and look at the reputation it acquired. There's more to a drug's potential for harm than its LD50, and once people begin to tumble to this fact, you are toast.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2010-03-16 2:57:30 PM


Shane-
"In, what, two countries? Three maybe? You know, the Germans did win some battles during World War II..."

Right to the south of us buddy. 13 states have already decriminalized, others are looking at multiple legalization bills. Its happening and there's no denying it. I could give you examples around the world but im not going to waste my time as you already know them.

Shane - "The word is "polls," dickhead. And I note the votes are not. How many Marijuana Party reps were voted into office again?"

The marijuana partys issue with votes is their name, no party will get elected if their name is a specific issue. What are the odds of the " The Support our Troops Party" or "The Save Aborted Babies" party getting in? Their both issues many people feel that way about, but when focused on a single issue, their fucked. The reality is many MP's have been voted in whom support legalization, and were likely received votes from people whom agree with these MP's on issues. so your argument kinda goes to shit right there, ty for coming out.

Shane - "You have proof, then, that table salt causes psychosis? Are you talking about the theoretical harm that might ensue if someone ate his way through a boxcar of salt, or what percentage of people using something actually come out the worse for it? Delusions are a sign of psychosis, Baker."

First of all, the first thing to happen when someone drinks sea water (Salt water, NaCl) is PSYCHOSIS. So yes there is proof my firend, THATS WHY YOU DONT DRINK SALT WATER WHEN STRANDED AT SEA.
Second, why would i need proof for salt when i have proof for cannabis itself does not have even a casual link to psychosis and is still a "hypothesis" as the actual studies say in conclusion. Not to mention Alcohol is already well known to cause psychosis in people, and to a larger extent then even that claimed to be caused by cannabis, so even if some day it turns out they finally decifer the casual link, indications show the actual risk is minimal and safer then alcohol. Lets look at the functional causes of psychosis as listed on wiki:
* brain tumors
* drug abuse amphetamines, cocaine, alcohol[8] among others
* brain damage
* schizophrenia, schizophreniform disorder, schizoaffective disorder, brief psychotic disorder
* bipolar disorder (manic depression)
* severe clinical depression
* severe psychosocial stress
* sleep deprivation
* some focal epileptic disorders especially if the temporal lobe is affected
* exposure to some traumatic event (violent death, etc.)
* abrupt or over-rapid withdrawal from certain recreational or prescribed drugs

Cannabis, while technically included(as would be coffee), is nowhere on the radar. How come shane? I thought this was proven fact, or is it really still just a theory? Heres some recent study results.

the following is from the conclusion of a study from YOUR SIDE, which the media recently paraded as "Proof Cannabis causes psychosis" that im sure you just ate up.
http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/2010.6?home

"This study has also highlighted the complexity of the relationship between risk factors and mediating variables on psychosis-related outcomes, since those with early-onset psychotic symptoms were also likely to report early cannabis use. This study provides further support for the HYPOTHESIS that EARLY cannabis use is a RISK-MODIFYING factor for psychosis-related outcomes in young adults."

What this means the link between cannabis use and possible psychosis is very complex, not in any way a direct cause. And all this really does is support the regulation of the cannabis market, in order to keep it out of the hands of young kids, as they currently have easier access unregulated cannabis VS regulated drugs. Also this study does said

"Compared with those who had never used cannabis, young adults who had 6 or more years since first use of cannabis (ie, who commenced use when around 15 years or younger) were twice as likely to develop a nonaffective psychosis"

But again all this really does is support the regulation of the cannabis market, in order to keep it out of the hands of youths since they have easier access to unregulated cannabis vs regulated tobacco, and their the ones at risk of psychosis.

NOW lets put this study that SUPPORTS THE HYPOTHESIS(as it is only hypothesis) of cannabis induced psychosis into perspective of reality.
Wiki page for psychosis boasts a study that found:

"Alcohol is also a common risk of causing psychotic disorders or episodes. Research has shown that alcohol abuse causes an 8-fold increase in psychotic disorders in men and a 3 fold increased risk of psychotic disorders in women."

SO ONCE AGAIN, CANNABIS COULD BE CONSIDERED THE SAFER ALTERNATIVE AS AN 8 FOLD INCREASE IS MUCH LARGER THEN A POSSIBLE 4.

"Watching the bloodshed in Mexico on TV and lifting a toke, congratulating yourself for having played your part in it, I imagine."

The bloodshed in Mexico is what happens when prohibition goes on too long and the cartels get too powerful for the government to control. In fact their so rich they usually just buy off the officials, and prohibition made them this way.

Posted by: Baker | 2010-03-16 3:23:02 PM


"1. That he misses.

2. That, provided the first shot misses, he doesn't fire again.

3. That, provided the first shot misses, and provided he doesn't fire again, that you can determine the source of the shot. Unless you see the muzzle flash, you won't even be able to tell if it came from in front or behind.

4. That, provided the first shot misses, and provided he doesn't fire again, and provided you can determine the source of the shot, he's dumb enough to fire from his own yard."

Your missing 1 thing, the fact he has no reasonable right to even point a gun at someone who has done nothing but walk through the neighbour hood. Also that even if i have a joint on me, he most certanly would be arrested for fireing a gun at someone smoking a joint. The police don't support that type vigilant thing of thing. Only in the deluded world of shane/419/zeb would would this accepted. Furthermore if anyone feels cannabis users should be shot like you seam to support, you should leave canada, move to Singapore or something where people think like you.

"5.That dope is one of the safest products known to man. Sorry, but something that has a measurable chance of turning someone into a schizo, and a very good chance of turning him into an imbecile, doesn't qualify."

HALF THE CHANCE OF ALCOHOL AND ONLY THEORETICAL FOR THE DEVELOPING BRAIN. LIMIT ACCESS TO KIDS, GIVE ADULTS THE SAFER ALTERNATIVE. This should be supported by all those whom want to reduce harm, and keep it out of the hands of kids. Time to regulate.

Posted by: Baker | 2010-03-16 3:35:07 PM


"read it and see how things worked out for this senior bellicose defender of all things dope after he was busted ( yet again ) for selling a variety of party drugs notably cannabis from a storefront in the slums of Vancouver..
read carefully young Baker, as this is where you are headed if you don't smarten up and fast"

Your attempts at painting me as a drug dealer are getting old. I am known use cannabis, i dont drink alcohol. Thank you.

Posted by: Baker | 2010-03-16 3:36:54 PM


"Read some history. He clearly knows nothing about the world around him."

Coming from someone who wont accept the fact cannabis laws are based in racism against his own race. Really Rich!

Posted by: Baker | 2010-03-16 3:38:21 PM


"Baker, you keep harping on the OD rate because it's pretty much the only statistic you have going for you."

LOL no, because its a ridiculous claim 419 made. Claims so ridiculous must not go un touched. How come he cant answer to it? HMM? How about it being safer in every way, including possible psychosis then alcohol. How about the fact prohibition enriches gangs and cartels. How about the fact prohibition has failed every goal it set out to accomplish. Pick one shane, and we can giver.

Posted by: Baker | 2010-03-16 3:41:48 PM


Also it will be interesting to see how Harper tackles the subject in an hr or so. Dont worry, im not expecting a favorable outcome for cannabis reform. But it will be interesting none the less. Especially since he was apparently "too drunk" the one time he was offered to try cannabis. Which as we know is much more dangerous then cannabis in every single way. Including the prohibitionists last thread psychosis.

Posted by: Baker | 2010-03-16 3:45:22 PM


Drug laws are not based on racism, that's silly. They would never base them on something so weak. Instead, drug laws are derived from the right, indeed the responsibility, of government to regulate public health. That means there will be no overturning them.

I have every right to pull the trigger on anyone who poses a credible threat to my property. Since drugs and drug dealers qualify as such, watch out. It's one thing for you people to claim how oppressed you are - it's another entirely to push your drugs on others.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-03-16 4:04:28 PM


"Drug laws are not based on racism, that's silly. They would never base them on something so weak. Instead, drug laws are derived from the right, indeed the responsibility, of government to regulate public health. That means there will be no overturning them. "

Seeing as all the debate when cannabis laws were created was not centered around public health, but rather most profoundly, on the supposed claim that cannabis made black people(and other minorities) do bad things to white women. ie.

“…the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.”

“There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others.”

“Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”

Call that public health if you want. But i, and most call it racism.

Posted by: Baker | 2010-03-16 4:13:24 PM


Also, how do you explain cannabis, which is safer then both alcohol and tobacco in every single way, being illegal if "drug laws are derived from the right... of government to regulate public health".

If it is based on health, why is the MUCH safer alternative illegal?

Posted by: Baker | 2010-03-16 4:17:10 PM


I just won a free chicken dinner Baker because you flipped out about me winning a case of beer.
You hysterical Wipetard tard, I don't even drink..

Keep it up, your responses are so predictable.. and if you can, lean of the Caps button- i have $10 on that you will go all caps and hissy insults before midnight EST.

Posted by: 419 | 2010-03-16 5:11:27 PM


“Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.” .......doth sayeth Baker

I thought Rev. Martin Luther King did that ?
oh well, what do I know

Posted by: 419 | 2010-03-16 5:14:45 PM


yawn......who cares

only funny part is shane attacking some one his opposite

leo rooster (shane) against aquarius rooster(emeriot)

both nuts and ego maniacs

have fun kids

Posted by: shavluk | 2010-03-17 12:04:18 AM


ok how are you going to bring the AVRO ARROW bacl??

Posted by: king | 2010-04-08 8:33:04 PM


sorry hit the worrog key.
Ok how are you going to bring the AVRO ARROW back???

Posted by: king | 2010-04-08 8:36:44 PM



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