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Friday, March 12, 2010

Cross party support for Prince of Pot

MPs from the 3 national parties are going to submit petitions that are calling for marijuana activist Marc Emery not to be extradited to the United States.

Conservative Party: Scott Reid
Liberal Party: Ujjal Dosanjh
New Democratic Party: Libby Davies

In an interview Mr. Dosanjh said that this was a non-partisan issue, and he’s right. But it is also an issue that goes beyond the Emery case. It goes to the heart of the sort of society that we want to live in. Do we want to live in a society where people can make their own choices as long as they do not hurt others? Or do we want to live in a society where those choices are taken away from us?

Marc Emery is not perfect, but he is a man that has always opted for the first option. More than that, he has fought his whole life for that option. I hope that the government of Canada listens to Canadians and refuse to send Mr. Emery to a dangerous high security prison for a crime with no victims.

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Comments

Shane,

Are you a scientologist by any chance?

Posted by: Mike Brock | 2010-03-13 8:44:08 PM


No, I’m a practicing Catholic. Not a very typical one, mind you, though thus far I’ve managed to avoid excommunication. :-)

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2010-03-13 8:47:24 PM


Well you learn something new everyday. How about that. I did not know it was a lifetime crime here in Canada. Never seen or heard of it being enforced like that. I do not want to see Jaffer in jail for possessing Cocaine. In my mind, his crime was driving impaired. Its just the point that nothing was said. I don't mean they have to march in the streets. But a "hey Jaffer, what the hell are you thinking?" would have sufficed.

"Spoken like a true criminal, Steve. Does that include the law that says I can't use any of those guns on you? You may have ideas as to what constitutes a moral crime, but so does everyone else, and they're all different. Laws are made to prevent the kind of chaos (read: anarchy) that would ensue otherwise."

Way to turn the subject to me. That wasn't my point. I was just trying to point out the industry that surrounds the law system. If everyone followed the laws, they would come up with something else in order to support the people in that system. Its the same thing that keeps us buying a new phone every year, or whatever. I'm not saying its bad or good, I'm just trying to point it out.

Posted by: Steve Bottrell | 2010-03-13 8:56:15 PM


In my mind, [Jaffer’s] crime was driving impaired. Its just the point that nothing was said. I don't mean they have to march in the streets. But a "hey Jaffer, what the hell are you thinking?" would have sufficed.

Fair enough. But how do you know that this hasn’t happened, behind the scenes? Why does it have to be a public roasting, a media circus? He wasn’t even a member of the party anymore. And frankly, he should have gone to jail, and have had his license pulled for a year, minimum, his car to be impounded during said suspension.

Way to turn the subject to me.

Well, that’s easily done to people who don’t consider the full ramifications of their proposals. Like bleeding hearts who demand light sentences for offenders only to find themselves victims and unable to get justice.

I was just trying to point out the industry that surrounds the law system. If everyone followed the laws, they would come up with something else in order to support the people in that system.

I know what you were saying. And there’s something to be said for the idea that the true nature of the law is to make business for itself. That said, your sentiments carry a strong taint of neo-anarchistic paranoia and a bit of weaseling. You seem to be suggesting that it's OK to break existing laws because of your belief that, in the impossible situation that everyone obeyed all the current ones, they’d just bring in more. Which is nonsense.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2010-03-14 1:08:36 AM


So any news on the three rogue MPs trolling for votes amongst the rebel franchises using the sympathy for Emery card?

But hey, this story was only published in the fringey fringe " Georgia Straight"
so probably not

Posted by: 419 | 2010-03-14 9:46:02 AM


The results are in, the top 10 questions Canadians have for the PM and the respective votes...

1 - Cannabis reform.....Pro - 1759 Against - 246
2 - Cannabis reform.....Pro - 1548 Against - 246
3 - Cannabis reform.....Pro - 1005 Against - 341
4 - Cannabis reform.....Pro - 718 Against - 195
5 - Transparent Gov.....Pro - 647 Against - 303
6 - Critical of C-15........Pro - 590 Against - 116
7 - White collar crime...Pro - 570 Against - 213
8 - Critical of C-15........Pro - 534 Against - 157
9 - Electric Vehicles.....Pro - 585 Against - 230
10 - Marc Emery...........Pro - 552 Against - 152

11 - Afghan detainee issue...

Posted by: TalkCanada | 2010-03-14 10:41:10 AM


"He wasted all that money on pointless causes that helped no one but himself."

Not true, Cannabis helped me to understand how ignorant people that are full of fear, distrust and hate try to control the majority.

Thankfully it never lasts due to the evolution of intelligence.

For example the catholic church now lets us all enjoy a little garlic now and then. Now isn't that nice of them.

Shane and the piker have reached the end of their rope. If you listen carelfully you will hear them slip off shortly. It must be painful for them so lets all have a little compassion while we make a to toast evolution wth our chosen sacrament.

Posted by: Paul Hanson | 2010-03-14 10:54:19 AM


It appears that druggies are addicted to the Internet as well as their drugs, hence their obsessive pestering of Mr. Harper. It ultimately amounted to nothing because he has better things to do, like anything.

I'm hardly tapped out. "Debating" druggies is very easy since it takes no effort at all to antagonize them. All I have to do is point out Emery's shortcomings and poor decision-making, and they fly into a fury. I could to this all day.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-03-14 11:09:34 AM


Rt Hon Prime Minister Steven Harper put out a call for all the citizens of Canada to share what they think are the key issues on the internet ,, and like the USA, CWATC ( Canadians with access to computers ) share that they believe that marijuana law reform is the most important question of today. But who cares?

One man /one vote is acceptable
some activists/w multiple spams is not acceptable

Thats why we have elections: so we can install someone into office who won;t pay heed to idiots blabbing crap about minor things.

You may have noticed that the election brought in a ruling party that is not in favor of Wipeheadism . As you read this, they are polishing legislation to slam down hard on the Wipehead ethic and wash our streets clean of dope.

That's the world most people want.

Posted by: 419 | 2010-03-14 1:03:14 PM


Fascinating, TalkCanada, except for the fact that those most likely to respond to informal YouTube "polls" are young people, who have the worst voting turnout, and those least likely to respond in this way are older people, with the best voting turnout. If support for marijuana reform runs so high and so deep, why has no member of any pro-marijuana party ever been voted into office?

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2010-03-14 5:19:51 PM


Forgive them Libby Davies.,
for they know not what they do

Posted by: 419 | 2010-03-14 6:58:28 PM


Forgive them Rush Limbaugh.

They're almost out of Oxy's but they're willing to commit a felony or two to obtain just a few more.

Puritanical Prohibitionists.

'I get high with a little help from my friends.'

Stephen Rapture Boy Harper.

What a Putz.

Posted by: jeff franklin | 2010-03-14 9:00:58 PM


that may be quotable prose Mr Franklin,
amongst the Wipehead illuninati
but it doesn't make any sence

dope is making you stupier
if that is even possible

Posted by: 419 | 2010-03-14 10:32:21 PM


What was he smoking?

If he signed the extradition papers he was smoking some bunk-weed that made him stupid instead of stoned.

Posted by: Captain Kush | 2010-03-15 4:02:12 AM


Forgive them Rush Limbaugh. They're almost out of Oxy's but they're willing to commit a felony or two to obtain just a few more. Puritanical Prohibitionists.

Drugs aren't prohibited, and the one ranting like a puritanical Pollyanna is you. Now go play outside.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2010-03-15 8:18:45 AM


If he signed the extradition papers he was smoking some bunk-weed that made him stupid instead of stoned.

There's a difference? And what is to be said of the intelligence and good sense of people who give their money to violent criminals--and risk jail time to do it--for something they totally do not need, and which they could obtain legally if they did?

His right to refuse is purely theoretical at this point; Emery has confessed his guilt. It's a slam-dunk case. There are no matters at law which he could use to justify refusing the extradition, and he has a vigorously anti-pot Prime Minister to answer to.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2010-03-15 8:22:02 AM



Hey Shane, how's that National Geographic Gig working out for you?

Should be a good fit for you.

A recent NG article commented on the evils of 'Khat', the Somalian stimulant used safely for thousands of years but now popping up on the Puritanical Prohibitionists radar.

Also in the NG MAG. were adverts. for Kaluha and Ambien. You know, the Safer Drugs.

Hypocrisy.

Right up your alley.

419, you sound a little frazzled ala Helen Guergis in PEI Airport Meltdown Mode.

Maybe you'll get that reach around next barn dance, cow tipping contest.

Yee Haw.

Posted by: jeff franklin | 2010-03-15 9:20:47 AM


Citizen Franklin..

you have fully earned the distinction of
being babbling wipehead idiot,

not funny or witty which i sort of admire
but just disjointed unfocused hostile brain trash

Maybe a nap, and some excercise and a proper meal as well as a detox week would make a difference, Maybe it's too late, but its worth a try

_ make that call

Posted by: 419 | 2010-03-15 11:23:55 AM


Off your meds again, Franklin? Or worse yet, too much of the wrong kind? We'll have to review your prescription. Marijuana is not approved for treatment of bipolar disorder.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2010-03-15 11:49:26 AM


The ever gracious Marc Emery shares his warmest feelings about one of the fading fast MPs who are trying to save his sorry dope fiend ass..

MARC EMERY SPEAKS
*****************

"...Liberal incumbent Ujjal Dosanjh has one of the stupidest opinions in government about pot. He said in an interview once that he opposes its legalization because " In India, I saw cows eat it and they went insane." Profound, isn't it?..."

*************************************************

Ha ha We can only guess Mr Dosanjh, an active BC politician and Former federal Health Minister observed Marc Emery, over time consume marijuana and watched him go insane..

Mr Dosanjh doesn't consider His Majesty The Prince of Pot, Marc Emery as a criminal,
but as a mental patient bent that way from drugs.

Nice compassionate guy considering the Princess of Pot, Jodie Emery ran against him in a BC election and lost hugely

Here we have a former Canadian Federal Health Minister with personal roots in a traditional cannabis abusing culture who, from first hand experience, recognizes cannabis induced psychosis


best credibility call you could hope for to never ever legalize recreational marijuana

Posted by: 419 | 2010-03-15 12:08:35 PM


419: uh, isn't Dosanjh one of the petitioners trying to block Emery's deportation? Gasp. That's a rather inappropriate thing for Emery to say about someone trying to help. But then again, consider the source. This IS what drugs do to you. They make you angry and pathetic.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-03-15 12:20:38 PM


Why yes Citizen Pike,you are right again

Rt Hon Mr Dosanjh is the gentleman whom Marc Emery sassed so badly whom is also trying to spare him from extradition to the USA.I find that surprising as well, but oddly, none of the Wipehead apologists seem to have noticed.
And all I did was a basic one minute Google search on a small home computer while i was having lunch.

However, I don;t feel confident that this will be successful because as you know, Mr Emery AKA the Prince of Pot has, of his own free will signed a binding agreement whereas he pleads guilty to his nunerous International Drug Crimes and accepts five years incarceration in the US Federal prison system.

Neither Libby Davies, & neither Cheech nor Chong will be able to get him out of this one. We await the Impartial Wheels of Justice to grind on as we have come to expect from a responsible Conservative Government

I would bet on that, and i hope you will too,


$50 says Emery will _not be spared from exratradion to the USA due to the intervention of these three MPPs.. I invite all dope soaked irrational Wipeheads who still believe party drugs are both the question and the answer to pony up their cash and bet against me..It's their absolute last chance to " Overgrow the Government" before the government uses their own tax money sweep them all away into the dark dank corners of society forever

Posted by: 419 | 2010-03-15 12:56:31 PM


HA HA WELCOME Cannabis Culture visitors..

if you got here by a link from
Marc Emerys stoner blog,
well surprise surprise
Outside of the narrow little
Wipehead reality you can see for yourself
that most normal people are actually
in favour of his extradition to the USA
Read all about it here-

see? there is life after the Olympics

have a really really nice day

Posted by: 419 | 2010-03-15 1:17:41 PM


419: where did you get that quote. Is it recent or from the past?

Either way, if I were Mr. Dosanjh, I'd let Emery rot for saying that. It proves, once again, that Emery is a whiny, ungrateful little wimp. The upside is that this won't work very well in the pen. If he thought the justice system was cruel, wait until he meets the prison justice system. They don't take kindly to smart-asses. He's going to endure every minute of those 5 years. All he had to do was reject any US sales.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-03-15 1:23:55 PM


Citizen Pike- it is a tru and accurate quote I pasted direct from the Google page I found it on If you want a direct source i will re hunt it for you. All you have to do is ask

that quote may be as old as two years old
more than enough time for Rt Hon Dosanjh to have read it ( if he cared ) and file it away. My take is Rt Hon Dosanjh sees this as an op[potunity to harvest a lot of otherwise wasted votes from the tens of thousands of indifferent Wipeheads in BC and then make another go of politics on a meaningful level

If he was really interested in springin' da Prince, he would have acted > SEVERAL YEARS AGO when his party was still in power, when he was a federal cabinet member,, but no,he did nothing.. except endure Emerys' drugged up insults at the same time as he foists his wife Jodie whatshername against him ( in vain ) during a BC provincial election..

I am puzzled why Rt Hon Doisanjh does this late lame lunge at obtaining special treatment for a confessed drug trafficker with two other political has beens from fast fading powerless political parties - are they really _that desperate for twenty seconds of media action ?? - whew -

here's hoping PM Harper waves all the marijuana reform questions aside on the YouTube Olympics and focuses on real subjects that affect real people in the real world.

Posted by: 419 | 2010-03-15 1:51:01 PM


What proof do you have that drug use (or abuse, as you erroneously call it), hurts others, Matthews?

Posted by: phil | 2010-03-15 2:21:23 PM


Take a walk in the Downtown Eastside sometime, Phil. That is, if you're not too stoned to walk straight. By the way, can you prove there's no such thing as drug abuse?

Next: "Prove water is wet!"

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2010-03-15 2:37:04 PM


Isn't Emery's situation proof that drugs harm oneself and others. He's placed his own life in jeopardy, and his family will lose him for a long time.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-03-15 2:46:44 PM


I will conform, from my own extensive research and vast personal experiences within the H2O Community, that water, is indeed, wet

I would guess that a drug overdose would pass as harmful. as would a drug hangover as said toxins are excreted.

But back to wet, yes, its a plausible to state without a comprehensive UN study that water is wet.
It is not required to further prove this to the Aquadeniers, they are obliged to prove otherwise to the Wettopist majority

Posted by: 419 | 2010-03-15 2:52:43 PM


419 is being paid by the towel industry that depends on this fantastic notion that water is wet.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-03-15 5:34:06 PM


.. that's towel, not towlie..

thank you

Posted by: 419 | 2010-03-15 6:42:07 PM


Take a walk in the Downtown Eastside sometime, Phil.

What you see on the Eastside is by and large a result of prohibition. One man's abuse is another man's indulgence.
But you skirted the question....how does one person's drug use/abuse harm others???

Posted by: phil | 2010-03-15 8:03:38 PM


Drugs forced Jodie to marry Marc. Marrying one's dealer is never a healthy step. Of course this is a ridiculous debate since "phil" can define "harm" in any number of ways, none of which need be rational.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-03-15 8:12:07 PM


200 million Wipeheads want dope. Very few of them would have the land, skill or motivation to grow their own pot or poppies, nor compound their own chemicals.They rely on others to do this for them and pay a steep price for this service. A vast black market- from plantation, through mfg to distribution exists to provide them with their contraband drugs. If this drug circus was legalized, there would be a huge legitimate market in existence to supply the users with their drugs, and a huge mirror black market to bring in discount unregulated drugs.Illicit Drug suppliers will nit quit production & distribution just because the Government wants to run the drug bizz. Nor will the millions od Wipeheads who have supported the black market all their lives suddenly shop for all their stoner needs at the corner federal excess shop.


Wipeheads claim that drugs are easier for kids to get than alcohol/ that's terrible.Thanks but no thanks Wipeheads for doing this to our kids,,
We ressnt this aspect of your Wipehead drug culture--prohibition didn;t do this: Wipeheads did this.

Why would normal people ever agree to any deal where drugs would be even more available to kids? To go along with your idea of legal party drugs makes it easier and safer for the present day Wipehead to secure their drugs, but at the expense of everybody else in the future.
No drug legally installed into society ever leaves it and you know it. Party drugs are not welcome in the world beyond the Wipehead gates.

The basic idea of a permissive Dopetopia is _unacceptable to anybody else but other Wipeheads.

Wipeheads often ask why straights do not like what they do but don't even try to understand anybodys'explanation or appreciate their position. Wipeheads would require a legal drug market many times bigger than the one already in place. That is unacceptable..
the numbers in Democracy do not favour the establishment of socially approved Wipeheadism.

Another possibility to end the drug war is for Wipeheads to stop using drugs, None of them are necessary to stay alive or function.You know that.

If you are willing to pay the price, take the risk of quality and avoid being caught- I guess you will go right ahead, no matter what laws your fellow human beings wish. Make one error in judgement participating in the Wipehead black market and you might well die. These are dangerous substances.. you put them into your body yourself, Nobody made you use dangerous drugs, in fact we asked you not to do that. The day your Wipehead community operates its own overdose ambulance to bring ODs to a Wipehead hospital for treatment by Wipehead medical staff, or buries OD cases in a Wipehead cemetary-- maybe we can talk, But for now- Wipeheads are basically parasites to the larger straight society, and it doesn't matter of you understand or agree with that descriptor.

War is over, if you want it.. give up dope and shrink the drug war casualty list one Wipehead at a time. Make a difference, not an excuse

Posted by: 419 | 2010-03-15 9:18:38 PM


Normally I wouldn't dignify Pike's inanity with a response, but the onus is on the anti-(some)drug warriors to demonstrate harm to others.

Posted by: phil | 2010-03-15 9:42:55 PM


Does the harm that will come to any druggie who comes into my neighborhood from my firearms count?

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-03-15 10:08:09 PM


Phil.. do the math.. most of your fellow human beings do not welcome the drug subculture and have enacted laws all over the planet to thwart its advance and actively seek to erace it from the face of th earth. If you want it different, you have to cinvince everybody else. The onus is on you to show why we should welcome eternal Wipeheadism.
Not the other way around..

the harm associated with party drugs has been amply demonstrated, you are in no position to be dictating terms.. When you come up with something somebody else might be interested in, please share, Until such time, please don't.


You are your own heat score- if you don't believe me, ask Marc Emery how making glob Wipehead demands for a societal 180 degree turnaround worked out. have you bought a " Free Marc Emery" T shirt yet? have you spent your money at his slum HQ headshop to help out his ling suffering widow Jodie ?

Where will you be in five years ( 2015 AD ) when Marc gets out of jail? stoned & grumpy like every other Wipehead commando, afraid of the next urine test, angry at the next TV documentary that puts doubt on the wisdom of your lifestyle choices ?

Posted by: 419 | 2010-03-15 10:56:06 PM


Zebulon we are in your neighborhood.

Keep polishing. Keep polishing.

Posted by: Paul Hansen | 2010-03-16 7:37:36 AM


When a country sends a person away to be prosecuted for behaviour not deemed criminal within its own boundaries, then it is no longer a real country. It's really that simple. I view people who use pot with dismay and disgust. However, if someone grows the stuff in his backyard it's not the business of the state to prevent this. Ras

Posted by: Ras | 2010-03-16 9:15:18 AM


"Very few of them would have the land, skill or motivation to grow their own pot or poppies, "

Yet you argue legalization wont work cause people will grow their own. Ur a fucking idiot.

"If this drug circus was legalized, there would be a huge legitimate market in existence to supply the users with their drugs, and a huge mirror black market to bring in discount unregulated drugs."

Like all the discount alcohol people cant stop buying eh 419?

".Illicit Drug suppliers will nit quit production & distribution just because the Government wants to run the drug bizz."

Might take them a week or 2 to realize, NOONE IS BUYING FROM THEM ANYMORE lol. Then they will likely cease as it is no longer profitable.

"Nor will the millions od Wipeheads who have supported the black market all their lives suddenly shop for all their stoner needs at the corner federal excess shop."

Any cannabis user would go for selection, good price, guaranteed quality, over the casino game getting cannabis in the streets usually is, you never know if its going to be shitty, good, the right amount.. Its a no brainier if you knew anything.

"Wipeheads claim that drugs are easier for kids to get than alcohol/ that's terrible.Thanks but no thanks Wipeheads for doing this to our kids,,"

This is true and terrible. And exactly why we need to regulate cannabis like alcohol. Because as we have seen, when left to the black market, kids have easier access to these products. SO why is it you oppose legalization and reducing the access to kids?

"Why would normal people ever agree to any deal where drugs would be even more available to kids?"

Exactly! So why do you argue for the system that allows this to happen? Why do you argue against the system that could actually reduce use?

"Party drugs are not welcome in the world beyond the Wipehead gates."

The poles say otherwise.

"The basic idea of a permissive Dopetopia is _unacceptable to anybody else but other Wipeheads."

We do not want a "Dopetopia", and it is impossible to see that happening as this substance would be regulated like tobacco, like alcohol, both of which are MUCH more addictive then cannabis, which is less addictive then coffee. IF a "dopetobia" (lol) were to come forth, it would have happened with the HIGHLY addictive tobacco/alcohol, not the low addictiveness of cannabis.

"Wipeheads often ask why straights do not like what they do but don't even try to understand anybodys'explanation or appreciate their position."

You offer no legitimate rational position, even the other "straights" here see this, but wont post to you because you seam like some crazy child looking for attention.

"wipeheads would require a legal drug market many times bigger than the one already in place. That is unacceptable.. "

LOL. Yea? You know this how? lol. Fact is it would be reduced, the cannabis dealer on every corner would be all gone, and replaced by a SINGLE place if distribution for a town of 14k or so. INFACT in many cities there were more speakeasy's under prohibition then legal bars today, DESPITE THE DRASTIC POPULATION INCREASE. Prohibition breeds access and availability.

"the numbers in Democracy do not favor the establishment of socially approved Wipeheadism."

Every single pole taken on cannabis legalization shows that most people want it legalized.... You can only claim bs on every public pole for so long 419.

"Another possibility to end the drug war is for Wipeheads to stop using drugs, None of them are necessary to stay alive or function.You know that."

Neither is the computer, tv, politics, masturbation, comedy, love, happiness, ALCOHOL. BUT im sure you hav partaken in every one, whats your excuse for participating in all these non essential to life activity's? LOL. Cannabis happens to be THE SAFEST intoxicant out there, and humans have been altering their conscious for thousands upon thousands of years, its human nature, we choose cannabis because its the safest out there, that's why we choose.

"If you are willing to pay the price, take the risk of quality and avoid being caught- I guess you will go right ahead, no matter what laws your fellow human beings wish. Make one error in judgement participating in the Wipehead black market and you might well die. These are dangerous substances.. "

Cannabis is less dangerous then Flintstones vitamins and coffee, IT IS A DIRECT RESULT OF PROHIBITION that makes it dangerous as you illude to, "Make one error in judgment participating in the Wipehead black market and you might well die". So what the fuck are we doing? Letting gangs profit immensely from this, the safest of the drugs (all drugs), meanwhile putting citizens whom choose to use THE SAFEST form of intoxicant in grave danger? I think we all agree we can do better.

"Wipehead community operates its own overdose ambulance to bring ODs to a Wipehead hospital for treatment by Wipehead medical staff, or buries OD cases in a Wipehead cemetary-- maybe we can talk"

Maybe we can talk when you join reality. When was the last cannabis OD 419!?!? LMFAO. IT IS A PHYSICAL IMPOSSIBILITY TO OD FROM CANNABIS. nit whit.

", But for now- Wipeheads are basically parasites to the larger straight society"

NOT ACCORDING TO POLES LOL!

"ar is over, if you want it.. give up dope and shrink the drug war casualty list one Wipehead at a time. Make a difference, not an excuse "

100 years of criminalizing drugs and what have you done? Created a group of incredible rich gangsters that have enough money and influence they are able to bribe off officials and police. 100 years and availability has only increased along with use. 100 years, and you want to continue this. When will it end? When the drug dealers are no longer the top 50 of the richest and most influential and finally top 10? YOU FAIL!

Posted by: Baker | 2010-03-16 9:23:26 AM


"Does the harm that will come to any druggie who comes into my neighborhood from my firearms count?"

LOL, heres how this will go down. I come into your neighborhood smoking one of the safest substances known to man. You fire at me. I call the cops, finish my joint, and you are arrested for being a complete menace to society. Law prefers stoners over crazy gunmen.

Posted by: Baker | 2010-03-16 9:26:58 AM


"most of your fellow human beings do not welcome the drug subculture and have enacted laws all over the planet to thwart its advance and actively seek to erace it from the face of th earth."

Those laws you refer to were from 100 years ago, TODAY there are laws being made in the opposite direction. Please speak of the happenings of today, not 100 years ago 419.

"If you want it different, you have to convince everybody else."

We are! lol, Note the poles that are continually going in our favor.

"the harm associated with party drugs has been amply demonstrated, you are in no position to be dictating terms.. "

Whats this "party drug" 419? Were talking about cannabis, which is the safest intoxicant on the planet, safer then most non active substances we regularly consume ie. trans fats, NaCl etc..

"Where will you be in five years ( 2015 AD ) when Marc gets out of jail? stoned & grumpy like every other Wipehead commando"

Relaxing? Enjoying life and the people around me? What will you be doing? Arguing with people you dont like over the weekends??? Yea thought so. Get a life.

Posted by: Baker | 2010-03-16 9:36:28 AM


Gentle Baker, we here see you are frustrated that your lofty views regarding the supremacy of cannabis are not exactly manifesting. If even one aspect of your drug inspired dialogue was actually plausible, don;t you think other people would have grasped the significance? And maybe even acted on it?
But alas, as you can see, none but the Wipeheads see things your way, and as a movement they are pretty much out of the credibilty loop, Some of your insults are getting clearer, I would attribute this temporary clarity to the possibility you are running low on marijuana.
Would you like to place a $100 bet that the petition presented to Parlament by the three Mpps yesterday will sway the Justice Ministers decision to extradite Emery?

$100 says it won't make any difference..and in all likelihood His majesty the Prince of Pot will be extradited to the USA sooner rather than later, Even _he knows that, but maybe it's new to you. A lot of very basic things are new to you

Come on, put your drug budget money where your mouth is
( shouldnt be hard to find a target that large hunt: its just below your nose )
Do it for the Wipehead community the way they would do it to you if they had half a chance.
I am generously providing that half chance

$100 bucks - can you do it? Its a great way to overcome your abundant hostility by chanelling it into a drug free recreational activity. It will only cost you $100 to calm down, detox and re evaluate the validity of your drug positive lifestyle

That's what regret is all about- calming down

Posted by: 419 | 2010-03-16 9:58:24 AM


No Baker this is what will happen. I stand on my porch with my shotgun in one hand and a cordless phone in the other. I call the cops and warn you not to come near my property. If you keep your distance, they come and haul you away to prison where you belong. If you don't, I warn you that I will use force to keep you from threatening my family and property. If the cops show up in time, you go to jail. If not, well, I will get a reward for fighting crime. Your kind are not welcome around me. The choice is yours.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-03-16 10:12:42 AM


How about you debate your claims of cannabis causing OD's and what not 419? Do you not stand behind your statements?

PS, i don't gamble ty.

Posted by: Baker | 2010-03-16 10:13:24 AM


"No Baker this is what will happen. I stand on my porch with my shotgun in one hand and a cordless phone in the other. I call the cops and warn you not to come near my property. If you keep your distance, they come and haul you away to prison where you belong.

Because people go to jail for being high? LOL NOPE, sorry zeb, better go study your laws. PS, have fun explaining the need of a shotgun due to someone walking through your neighborhood.

"If you don't, I warn you that I will use force to keep you from threatening my family and property."

LOL, thats cool, unfortunately im going to be a pedestrian passer by, and you will be yelling some crazy ass shit at me with a shotgun in your hand, all because im WALKING THROUGH YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. Crazy much?

"If the cops show up in time, you go to jail. If not, well, I will get a reward for fighting crime. Your kind are not welcome around me. The choice is yours."

Because walking through a neighborhood means im threatening 1 specific family lol! Try to prove that to the police. Their gonna think ur a nut job with a shot gun.
And again i wouldn't even go to jail for having a joint on me, let alone having consumed one. You will get a bill for the wasted 911 call, and likely have your firearm taken as you are an unstable, paranoid (this is psychosis btw) person standing on a porch with a shot gun, threatening lethal force, because "someone is walking through your neighborhood".

Have fun with loosing your children crazy man on porch.

Posted by: Baker | 2010-03-16 10:28:16 AM


PS 419. In a recent committee meeting in the US for a legalization bill they compared the social harms of cannabis to gambling, gambling was deemed to be a much larger harm on society then that of cannabis use. Ill do my best to find the video for you if you like :P

Posted by: Baker | 2010-03-16 10:43:08 AM


You do so gamble Baker-
everytime you search for, buy and injest drugs..

Whay you might mean is you don't believe in your own Wipehead blabbing $100's worth ..
not even 25 cents' worth..
nothing worth..

You do have bail money in a jam jar, right ?
because it's just a matter of time before you get reeled in like a salmon and pushed into a little can

But you know all about that from following the career of the Prince of Pot- another drug addled Master of the Wipehead Universe who is getting ready for five years of activism in an Orange jumpsuit

I guess it's worth it
if you gauge your self esteem
by YouTube hits...

Posted by: 419 | 2010-03-16 10:49:02 AM


"You do so gamble Baker-
everytime you search for, buy and injest drugs.."

Go to google and search "define: gambling".

"Whay you might mean is you don't believe in your own Wipehead blabbing $100's worth ..
not even 25 cents' worth..
nothing worth.. "

Pretty hard to confuse 1/20th of a joint with a half ounce (roughly a half a sandwich bag), but ill go along with it for a moment. Really the only confusion is on the price per gram, there's no gamble, its like buying gas before checking the price per L. And again i implore you to go to google and search "define: gambling".

"You do have bail money in a jam jar, right ?
because it's just a matter of time before you get reeled in like a salmon and pushed into a little can"

Why would i? Possession doesn't get people jail time, i've told you this a few times already today. Educate yourself, ignorance is no excuse. Please put the personal attacks away and debate my points or support your own about cannabis. Where are these cannabis OD's?

"But you know all about that from following the career of the Prince of Pot- another drug addled Master of the Wipehead Universe who is getting ready for five years of activism in an Orange jumpsuit"

You and zeb follow him more closely then most cannabis users. No one thinks of him as a savior in the cannabis movement, just a man with balls.

"I guess it's worth it
if you gauge your self esteem
by YouTube hits..."

LOL, when did self esteem come into play here? So much unneeded, unrelated garbage comes out of your mouth its ridiculous. How about you actually say something factual about cannabis, maybe even try to support your points i ripped up. Where are the OD's? No one requested any fairy tails.

Posted by: Baker | 2010-03-16 11:06:11 AM


Remember that guy who tried to shoot his way into the Pentagon last month? He was pro-drugs too. Yes, they harmed him. They impaired his judgment so much that he drove from California to Virginia to do it. This guy was so deluded that he thought drugs should replace money as a means of exchange. Incredible.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-03-16 11:26:48 AM



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