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Wednesday, February 24, 2010

Fighting Fascism with Fascism

Durham University in the UK was scheduled to host a formal debate with the proposition: This House believes in Multiculturalism. The debate was going to take place with political commentator Kulveer Ranger and Conservative MP Edward Leigh on one side and British National Party (BNP) member Andrew Brons and BNP Member of European Parliament Chris Beverley.

The Durham Union of Students (DUS) was forced to cancel the event by the UK’s National Union of Students (NUS). The NUS sent a threatening letter to the DUS. In the letter the NUS said that if the event was to take place they would mobilize and send “coach loads” of students to protest the event. They then added, “If any students are hurt in and around this event, the responsibility will lie with you.”

So the NUS are using intimidation and the threat of violence to prevent a political party and elected representatives from speaking in public. There reason to do so it because the BNP has often been, rightly, connected to fascist philosophy. Fascism is bad, among other reasons, because it encourages the use of intimidation and the threat of violence to prevent people from speaking.

Well at least the students of Durham University do not have to worry about that sort of thing.

Posted by Hugh MacIntyre on February 24, 2010 | Permalink

Comments

The title is very misleading. "Fight fascism with fascism" - maybe in your opinion the BNP are "fascists" but a lot of people think other wise!

Posted by: joe | 2010-02-24 11:40:27 AM


I'm not really that interested in a discussion on what is and is not fascist. I think there is a strong case to be made that they are. But even if they aren't the main point of the post isn't affected. The NUS think that are fascist and they are using rather fascist methods to fight them.

Posted by: Hugh MacIntyre | 2010-02-24 12:06:53 PM


Hugh, that was how I understood your post. Perhaps Joe read through it too fast and came to the wrong conclusion, at least I know I have been guilty of doing the same in the past.

I agree that the question is not if the BNP qualifies as a fascist party or not. It is about the fascist type thuggery used to silence any dissent. Long ago it was the church that did the same by hunting down "heretics" and silencing them one way or another, but other than radical Islam it is now the militant activists of whatever dogma they support who do the same.

Posted by: Alain | 2010-02-24 12:32:52 PM


.. when wipeheads are up against arguments that do not favour their values as paramount truth then everybody who would deny them is a fascist.. the word fascist has become a lame and vague generic insult and thus meaningless in the 21st Century

The NUS VS NUS clash is more akin to soccer mindset than the gentle art of politics & with the threat of violence in advance - very much a soccer way of resolving conflict.

Bring on the beer.. and chicks in scanty outfits

Posted by: 419 | 2010-02-24 1:30:26 PM


Joe had it right. The post's title should have been: Extinguishing Free Speech With PC Fascism. Whether or not the BNP have fascist policies, they were only there to speak in a debate as opposed to the NUS who actually goose step all over their rights to speak freely. Nothing to see here folks as modern universities replaced free speech with the goose-stepping jackboots of political correctness long ago.

Posted by: John Chittick | 2010-02-24 2:22:12 PM


All the NUS is doing is strengthening the hand of the BNP. The BNP is actually a fascist party that favors pseudo-socialist policies. The big difference between it and the far left of the British Labour Party is that it calls for reinstating the death penalty(the one policy the idiots got right). The votes for the BNP come from working class voters in traditionally Labour Party strongholds. These voters know that the Labour Party and the British press that support them are a fraud. However, these people haven't been educated on why small government and free markets are better than big government programs. They hear that the BNP is tough on crime(unlike Labour),that it will improve their standard of living through big government spending programs(like Labour), and that non-whites are holding down the white British working class(Labour does this same crap but uses class divisions instead of race). The best solution is to debate the BNP on every stage imaginable and prove what a fraud that they are! Their economic policies have been proven as failures. History has shown that their racial policies have led down a dark path. This is how you defeat them!
The Labour Party has been proved wrong on a massive level. It deserves to dissolve itself. The Liberal Democrats are little better. They mix supposed concerns with civil rights with big government solutions(and politically correct policies). The question is whether Britain's savior will be the Conservatives or some party further to the right(and non-fascist) like the UKIP. This comes down to whether or not a Cameron government will be a pseudo-Labour Ted Heath type of conservative governance or a Thatcher model.

Posted by: Ted | 2010-02-24 3:26:44 PM


"I'm not really that interested in a discussion on what is and is not fascist."

Of course not! Lying is much easier.

La Wik's definition - "Fascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, is a political ideology that seeks to combine palingenetic ultranationalism with a corporatist economic system. ..."

The BNP does promote palingenesis. They are not any more nationalist than Israel (they are best described as nativist) and certainly they do not embrace corporatism.

Live not by lies. - Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Posted by: Alexander | 2010-02-24 3:35:54 PM


"The BNP does promote palingenesis"

s/be does NOT promote

Posted by: Alexander | 2010-02-24 3:36:54 PM


Joe, my apologies. I plead guilty of not reading your comments correctly, which made reference to the title. That being the case you are correct as John has pointed out. My mistake was focusing on the body of the post instead of its title.

Posted by: Alain | 2010-02-24 6:35:31 PM


The DUS is cowardly. Its members are stupid. They rolled over and played dead. They could have referred the threat to the police. Oops. I suppose the coppers are part of the problem. The Brits have become a boil on the face of freedom. Pity.

Posted by: Agha Ali Arkhan | 2010-02-25 12:06:13 AM


I like your article - it makes a good point!!

Just a quick note - DUS stands for the Durham Union Society, which is the debating society, and is different from the student's union, which is the DSU. Just thought i'd let you know :)

Posted by: a student | 2010-03-12 6:19:06 PM



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