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Thursday, January 21, 2010

Winnipeg Gang Wars

An article over at CBC provides a picture of the current gang turf war going on in Winnipeg. Organized crime investigators report that the African Mafia has splintered into three factions and is expanding into Alberta.

These gangs are involved in black market goods to fund their activities, such as the drug trade. The ONLY reason they are able to do this is because the government prohibits the drug trade from existing legally, so it then gets pushed into the black market. The article says;

The African Mafia splintered off from another Winnipeg street gang called the Mad Cowz after the fatal shooting of a 14-year-old boy by members of a rival group in 2004.

African Mafia members were upset the Mad Cowz didn't properly avenge the boy's killing, Howanyk writes.

A battle then ensued over the drug trade in Winnipeg's West End neighbourhood as the two factions violently competed for turf.

The tensions between the two groups led to the death of Phil Haiart, a bystander who was shot while walking in the West End in October 2005. An errant bullet fired in a shootout between African Mafia and Mad Cowz members struck Haiart, killing him.

"The African Mafia, like other street gangs, need turf to survive, and like other gangs, the African Mafia uses violence and intimidation to expand their turf," the report says.

Their turf is the geographical area that they control with regards to black market goods. Yet, on the very same day as this news items, so also appeared this news item; Police take down marijuana grow op Busting people that are growing marijuana does nothing to stop the drug trade, in the 40 years since the ‘war on Drugs” was created drug use has not gone down, there is a demand there and if it can’t be met legally then people that are in black market will meet the supply, and kill people that get in their way. And not only do the people involved have the risk, so do the general public who are innocent bystanders that risk being killed in gang wats, such as Phil Haiart.

If you want to see gang violence reduced and take away a large source of their income and power, repeal prohibition, now.

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"...I ask for civility in the exchange of comments. Vulgarity is discouraged. Please express yourself creatively with other language. We discuss ideas here, attacks on a person are discouraged...."

then why bother?

Posted by: 419 | 2010-01-21 8:11:48 PM


Letting any gang run free is the last thing that should be done. The more ways to stop them - drugs, guns, etc - combined with ruthless enforcement the faster the problem can be resolved. Of course, it is Winnipeg which is second only to Ontario in its laziness on social issues - not to mention racism. I don't see any real hope here for any solution - and white people can blame themselves.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-01-21 8:40:09 PM


This is an immigration problem, not a drug problem. If it wasn't drugs, it would be prostitution, or robbery. Africans have been on the dole for so long, they can't imagine working for a living.

Immigration should be about building a stronger nation, not eroding a perfectly good existing system. Africans won't make a contribution for 2 generations, in most cases.

Posted by: dp | 2010-01-21 8:57:15 PM


white people can blame themselves.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-01-21 8:40:09 PM


Not so sure if has much to do with color Zeb. Just as many natives and blacks. Human garbage comes in all colors.

Posted by: peterj | 2010-01-21 8:57:21 PM


Whites are in charge in Winnipeg and Toronto (and everywhere else) - their indifference is far more destructive to society than any racism. They don't need the KKK when they have Toronto's city council.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-01-21 9:26:05 PM


I agree that indifference is destroying our society. Our leaders have ignored the glaring reality that African, Jamaican, and quite a few other immigrants are destroying the natural order of western development. The belief that we'll all learn to get along is due for re-examination. It isn't working.

Posted by: dp | 2010-01-21 11:29:24 PM


I agree with dp and peterj. They have reasonable statements. Zeb sometimes has ideas with which I concur. Sometimes, though, Zeb is in bed with Mr. Bigot.
I am in favour of free drugs. Just don't bring them anywhere near my grandkids. I would prefer my grandkids had clear heads and acute intelligence to be able to use the drug users and drug-addicted to their own profit.

Posted by: Agha Ali Arkhan | 2010-01-22 12:07:18 AM


There is one step that can tip the balance in favor of a solution: more white victims. It's been proven time and again to be the only way to motivate the majority. So long as the problem remains solely among non-whites in the Inner City, white suburbia will not pay attention or at least give pathetically little heed. Sorry guys but it's the only way.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-01-22 5:13:18 AM


FM is right about the solution. Prohibition = more gangs. We'll never eliminate all gang activity but we can certainly eliminate a good part of it.

Posted by: Charles | 2010-01-22 5:22:10 AM


Tax evasion laws stopped Al Capone, not prohibition. But they stopped plenty of others, so don't give up an effective tool against crime. Its called the broken windows theory - get the petty criminals first and you'll reduce crime overall. Hence the need for a three-strikes law.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-01-22 5:30:35 AM


"reduce crime overall"..."three strikes law".

Talk about a self-defeating argument.

Posted by: Paul McKeever | 2010-01-22 6:02:16 AM


And around and around we go, where this stupid drug debate ends, no one knows. We've been through this before Pike, ad nauseum. Have a great weekend.

Posted by: Charles | 2010-01-22 6:02:33 AM


All of this smells of appeasement. As Churchill said, "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."

If you hope that by giving the drug dealers the opportunity to ply their trade they will abandon or control themselves, think again. These people are predators and will take advantage of the situation. Being nice to them won't work. Moreover, it is better to be in a position of strength than from weakness.

They deserve harsh punishments including long prison sentences and religious rehabilitation.

If these people pose no threat, why do white customers avoid them like the plague? For shame. Even Emery won't associate with them.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-01-22 6:40:33 AM


I don't agree that this is an immigration problem. There are many other gangs in Winnipeg involved in the drug trade turf wars that are made up of Canadians, where the people are from is somewhat irrelevant.

@ Charles "And around and around we go, where this stupid drug debate ends, no one knows"

True, it seems to never end. This article adds to the body of evidence though that what the government is doing does not work, which is why I highlight it.

Posted by: Freedom Manitoba | 2010-01-22 7:33:39 AM


So perhaps a change in tactics but not strategy is in order. Still, I say guerilla warfare tactics ought to be employed to defeat these gangs. The problem with racist cities like Winnipeg and Toronto is lack of will. Being governed by cowardly white people, they have no stomach for protracted effort on anything except funneling money to their white backers. I'd recommend getting some backbone, but I wish harm and misery to these cities. Serves you people right.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-01-22 10:07:34 AM


I'm sorry guys. I can no longer visit this site. It's gone over the cliff. There's no one here but pike and a couple of other insane lunatics. If you banned the lunatics, your comment section would get 0 hits. You need to make changes.

Posted by: dp | 2010-01-22 1:26:05 PM


Yeah the pro-drug people are nuts. If they would just get some help and escape their effects, both themselves and society as a whole would benefit.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-01-22 2:25:55 PM


Zebulon Pike:
"So long as the problem remains solely among non-whites in the Inner City, white suburbia will not pay attention or at least give pathetically little heed. Sorry guys but it's the only way."

Rare wisdom from Zeb. Indeed the reason the gang problems in Winnipeg are getting more attention recently is for that exact reason. Many in the business are from middle class or higher white families and so it is getting more coverage (in fact the son of one of Winnipeg's ten wealthiest people is a member of a Hells Angels associate gang based in the west and comprised of entirely white guys).

Posted by: DrLiberty | 2010-01-22 3:04:20 PM


I wish that we could clear out the gangs from inner cities like the US Army and Marines (and their Canadian deputy commanding general who should not have been there but was) did to Fallujah. Imagine dead drug dealers littering the streets shot dead by hidden snipers. If the sight of their corpses becoming food for the dogs does not deter their associates, nothing will. It would only prove that drugs dehumanize people, and justify actions against drugs.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-01-22 4:07:27 PM


nothing will. It would only prove that drugs dehumanize people, and justify actions against drugs.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-01-22 4:07:27 PM


Just one opinion, but it seems that this "war" on drugs has been a disaster from the word go. The pushers are all "victims" of a bad childhood or something or other. They can make tens of thousands a month and if they get caught it's a slap on the wrist and back out on the street. The whole system is run by social workers and bleeding hearts. What I would like to see is a huge work camp somewhere close to the arctic circle and a minimum 5 year sentence. Make licence plates, build furniture, learning a offered trade is mandatory. Should be run like a marine boot camp. Mandatory reading, writing and arithmatic to grade twelve equivelancy. If behavior meets minimum standards then upon release the prison record is "hidden" and you can have a fresh start. If you screw up again the same sentence goes to 10 years with all the same criteria.
Just an idea, but it would mean a lot less human garbage on the street and a boatload of unemployed social workers. Win...win.

Posted by: peterj | 2010-01-22 8:40:37 PM


peterj: hmm, good ideas - especially the bit about unemployed socialist workers. I'm not sure if the human rights people would like that, but they never like anything.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-01-22 9:10:15 PM


They deserve harsh punishments including long prison sentences and religious rehabilitation.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-01-22 6:40:33 AM

There is so many things wrong with this statement, I don't know where to start. So I won't. Because I can't be bothered to go over the same ground with you retards, over and over again.
Real humanists.
Hopefully karma will get even with you. May your deaths be long and painful. Or better yet, may you need cannabis to ease your illness, and be denied by your beloved government and religion. Which god shall we all pray too? Aghas god or Zebs god? Maybe you two should work it out like the rest of your religions do, a fight to the death.

Posted by: Steve Bottrell | 2010-01-22 10:29:01 PM


A dead douche said "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."

Posted by: Will Ill | 2010-01-22 10:30:07 PM


I'm not sure if the human rights people would like that, but they never like anything.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-01-22 9:10:15 PM


If I had my way, all CHRC workers would be sent to misc. Islamic countries where they could really put their skills to work. One way tickets only.

Posted by: peterj | 2010-01-22 10:33:27 PM


"I am in favour of free drugs. Just don't bring them anywhere near my grandkids"

There is the myth,that drugs find your grandkids. The reality is your grandkids find the drugs if thats what they want to experience, prohibition insures this.

Posted by: Will Ill | 2010-01-22 10:34:07 PM


If I had my way, all CHRC workers would be sent to misc. Islamic countries where they could really put their skills to work. One way tickets only.

Posted by: peterj | 2010-01-22 10:33:27 PM

Just imagine what our country would look like and feel like if everybody was this harsh in their views.

Posted by: Will Ill | 2010-01-22 10:36:15 PM


Just for clarification, I do not consider pot or weed "drugs". Coke, heroin, meth...yes. The worst thing pot will do is give you the munchies. No worse than booze.Probably better. Pot prohibition is just part of the "pissing" contest between government and millions of people with a raised middle finger. It will soon be legal and taxed in California. This state may be home to the largest number of wingnuts in the world, but where California goes...Canada always seems to follow.

Posted by: peterj | 2010-01-22 10:48:57 PM


Just imagine what our country would look like and feel like if everybody was this harsh in their views.

Posted by: Will Ill | 2010-01-22 10:36:15 PM


It would be the way it was about 40 years ago when it was still a free country and not run by activists, busybodies and social workers.

Posted by: peterj | 2010-01-22 10:53:11 PM


yep 40 years ago before the information age when information was, what you were told it was because you had no way to verify it.
Well at least you didn't go back 50 years and include the civil rights movement, but I think you meant to, when you included activists,and such.
I guess you don't realize you are poor because that power you support blindly, purposely keeps you poor. What you wish for is no advancement of our society so pine for 40 years ago if you like but looking backwards is looking backwards.

Posted by: Will Ill | 2010-01-22 11:41:51 PM


What you wish for is no advancement of our society so pine for 40 years ago if you like but looking backwards is looking backwards.

Posted by: Will Ill | 2010-01-22 11:41:51 PM


The advancement you cherish is a ever diminishing personal freedom of action, speech and liberty. Try reading "1984" again.

Posted by: peterj | 2010-01-22 11:52:30 PM


It doesn't have to be Peterj.

Posted by: Steve Bottrell | 2010-01-23 12:51:30 AM


The advancement you cherish is a ever diminishing personal freedom of action, speech and liberty. Try reading "1984" again.

Posted by: peterj | 2010-01-22 11:52:30 PM


Is that what you really believe Peter? Only someone delusional would compare reality with a novel that barely has any similarities to actual reality, any time in humanity's existance.
What you call diminishing personal freedoms is unfounded, and just plane wrong. With each and every day we gain more actual knowledge and wisdom if we choose to. A mind that decides based on free will, is truly free. i can see an old fuddy dud like you feeling diminished, because what you know in a modern world is largely useless
I can spread my word easier than I have ever been able to before the information age, and I will argue that we are more free now than we have ever been. The only reason the world looks the way it does is because of slaves to everyones elses ideas like you Pierre. People who aren't willing to think, and who wish for the good ol days are diminshing what brave people before us faught for in the way of liberties. Advancement is the only way to happiness, not being idle or wishing for the good old days which never existed. You were just simpler then so it seemed like the good old days.

Posted by: Will Ill | 2010-01-23 8:09:26 AM


way to happiness, not being idle or wishing for the good old days which never existed. You were just simpler then so it seemed like the good old days.

Posted by: Will Ill | 2010-01-23 8:09:26 AM

You certainly jump to a lot of conclusions. To begin with , I am not nearly as old as you seem to think and nowhere did I say I lived those days. What I was saying is that we can only learn from the past.


"Is that what you really believe Peter? Only someone delusional would compare reality with a novel that barely has any similarities to actual reality, any time in humanity's existance."

You have so much to learn.

Posted by: peterj | 2010-01-23 9:52:54 AM


No one should assume what/who my god is or isn't because of my odd/queer/strange/foreign{?) monicker. Did you know that muslim apostates may be subject to execution by muslim?

Posted by: Agha Ali Arkhan | 2010-01-23 11:51:48 AM


PJ:
"They can make tens of thousands a month and if they get caught it's a slap on the wrist and back out on the street."

Have you ever seen a quantitative analysis of what drug dealers actually make? Its around minimum wage try reading "gang leader for a day" it is quite interesting. As for the slap on the wrist and back on the streets, the typical sentence for a first offence of selling crack (the drug these gangs make their money off of) is two years in jail. Anyone who thinks this is a weak sentence suffers from a lack of imagination.

PJ:
"What I would like to see is a huge work camp somewhere close to the arctic circle and a minimum 5 year sentence. Make licence plates, build furniture, learning a offered trade is mandatory. Should be run like a marine boot camp. Mandatory reading, writing and arithmatic to grade twelve equivelancy(sic). If behavior meets minimum standards then upon release the prison record is "hidden" and you can have a fresh start. If you screw up again the same sentence goes to 10 years with all the same criteria."

Good idea. I think the Soviets tried that.

Posted by: DrLiberty | 2010-01-23 12:14:10 PM


@Agha
You so missed my point. I don't care which Santa Claus you believe in, someone elses Santa is different, and religious people seem to have little qualms on killing or subjugating others in order to push their Santa on others.

Posted by: Steve Bottrell | 2010-01-23 12:59:34 PM


Good idea. I think the Soviets tried that.

Posted by: DrLiberty | 2010-01-23 12:14:10 PM


The soviets did it with no light at the end of the tunnel.Many of the victims did not even know what crime they had commited. Hardly a apples to apples comparison. The greatest number of inmates were there for political reasons. Piss off the government....welcome to Siberia.

"Its around minimum wage "

Made for a cute book but hardly stands up to reality. The two year sentence is for lesser crimes in a provincial prison. Anything over two years is Federal prison. Either way , normally a felon only has to serve 1/3 of the sentence. The two year sentence is 8 months of 3 good meals a day and all the recreation one can handle. Not much for a deterent. I would argue that it is no deterent whatsoever.

Posted by: peterj | 2010-01-23 8:55:05 PM



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