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Wednesday, January 06, 2010

Tories hide behind “national security” to deny access to information request: Marc Emery update

Canadian libertarian publisher and activist Marc Emery faces extradition to the U.S. on charges related to selling marijuana seeds. While Justice Minister Rob Nicholson could refuse the U.S. extradition request, he is expected to approve the extradition anytime after January 8th, according to Jacob Hunter, Policy Director with Beyond Prohibition Foundation.

Nicholson has ignored the pleas of Canadians to charge Emery in Canada for his so-called crime of selling marijuana seeds. This move would assert Canadian sovereignty over drug policy and likely lead to a legal outcome that would better reflect Canadian attitudes toward marijuana prohibition.

Emery is the publisher of Cannabis Culture magazine, leader of the BC Marijuana Party and owner of the now-defunct Marc Emery Seeds, an online marijuana seed retailer, the profits from which financed much of international movement to liberalize marijuana laws before his arrest.

In late 2009, Emery signed a plea deal for a 5-year sentence in the U.S. prison system.

“I was forced to take this plea deal for five years under great duress,” said Emery.

"If I went to trial in the United States, I would have received a mandatory minimum sentence of 30 years up to life. I shouldn’t be going to prison at all for selling seeds to consenting adults, but five years is preferable to a life sentence,” continued Emery.

Emery was taken into Canadian custody in September 2009 after an extradition hearing in the B.C. Supreme Court, and is currently free on bail awaiting Nicholson’s decision.

Emery’s wife, Jodie Emery, believes her husband should be dealt with in Canada and not the USA.

“Most Canadians agree that Marc should be dealt with in Canada’s justice system. He operated openly in Vancouver, B.C. for over a decade, never went to the U.S.A., and paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in income taxes,” said Jodie Emery.

“The Justice Minister has received tens of thousands of phone calls, letters, post cards and petitions asking him to refuse the extradition. There is no reason my husband should suffer for five years in a foreign prison system, especially when he operated his seed business in Canada at all times,” she continued.

Emery’s lawyer, Kirk Tousaw, made an access to information and privacy (ATIP) request for Justice Department communications related to Emery’s arrest for extradition. After long delays, approximately 60 pages of a 6,000-page document were released with everything blacked out for various “national security” reasons.

Libby Davies, Member of Parliament for Vancouver East, made an Order Paper request in parliament for similar documents, but was also refused any information.

Posted by Matthew Johnston

Posted by westernstandard on January 6, 2010 in Marc Emery | Permalink

Comments

Zeb: $4.95 says that Emery smokes his cartoon like five foot ganster bong til 45 minutes before he surrenders, and while as high as he can get to keep himself from crying, he will shuffle towards his jack booted enemies with his soft white wrists out..feeling nothing, saying nothing, doing nothing..except submitting to the rule of law that he has used as his personal piss pot for the last twenty years

He sort of gets off being caught and diciplined by indifferent, uniformed men- he does it often enough..

as for Jodie, the Princess of Pot I only have 99 cents to say she will make a damn fine headshop till sone no nonsence woman cop walks in and tells her to clean her room, make pretty the store..once she gets tired of the dullards just standing around in the way not buying anything, she will become a shrill banshee-- using up a lot of kleenex, and a lot of other peoples'patience.

here's hoping she quits dope and thaws out her frozen in teenage mode brain- sells the headshop to rich brat David Levine and then she moves out of Vancouver and hopefully meets some normal people . There is a chance for her- a 99 cent chance..

Thank you everybody who were too chicken to bet in our pools, but provided endless minutes of hilarity displaying your drug damaged perceptions..we have enough material for a lot of awesome verbatim puppet shows,
thank you thank thank you

You areas magnificent as Towlie from South Park

Posted by: 419 | 2010-01-08 3:37:13 PM


This article was about Emery going to jail in the states where he faced the possibility of a life sentence. With all of the "charges" in Canada he faced the legal equivalent of a slap on the wrist. He only got in any real trouble when the States came after him in Canada.

When your business gets shut down and your income gets slashed, it gets hard to pay taxes.

Didn't feel like answering the decriminalization question?

Posted by: bret | 2010-01-08 3:46:29 PM


Famous last words:

http://www.theprovince.com/news/Prince+Marc+Emery+could+extradited+Friday/2417744/story.html

"It's clearly a political case against me," Emery said. "It's not because of any harm I have done."

What. A. Maroon. He thinks he's not a criminal, but rather the victim of partisan political persecution. Clearly drugs impair judgment in humans.

Emery is a giant child who never grew up. He thinks that everyone is wrong and he is right. When he was in school, I'll bet he blamed his grades on his teachers. He really ought to get off the drugs and realize that he is responsible for his actions. He fought the system and lost. Had he not sold seeds to US customers, he would be a free man right now. He has no one to blame but himself for his antics. Let's see what his prison buddies have in store for his skinny, wimpy hide.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-01-08 3:50:55 PM


"he thinks that everyone is wrong and he is right" says Zeb and his only other friend 419 in spite of the overwhelming majority of posters who are actually stating facts and not opinionated tirades.

I know, I know I usually ignore ole Zeb and his lunatic rants but I had a little spare time today.

I just wish he would stop telling people that he is from Alberta it makes us all look bad.

Posted by: bret | 2010-01-08 4:14:36 PM


The Emery experience ought to be a lesson to these so-called "Libertarians" - don't put all your eggs in one basket, especially one made of hemp. Emery was a loser who brought himself down. Find better, more credible people next time, assuming that there is a next time.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-01-08 4:41:06 PM


Fact Check: Cannabis Culture mag went out of business back when.

Emery's BC Marijuana Party started good, but now it is just a front for selling vaporizer tokes to his you teenie groupies. Even Emery's wife runs for the Green Party, not the skeleton Marijuana Party.

Posted by: Captain Kush | 2010-01-09 2:57:58 AM


"When I was a kid I inhaled frequently. That was the point." - Barack Obama quote on Marijuana

Posted by: Danno1962 | 2010-01-09 5:44:16 AM


"Hemp is of first necessity to the wealth & protection of the country." - Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President quote on Hemp

Posted by: Danno1962 | 2010-01-09 5:45:36 AM


Q. What is the difference between politicians and stoners ? A. "Some" Politicians don't inhale...they just suck.

Posted by: Danno1962 | 2010-01-09 5:46:54 AM


"One who breaks an unjust law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law." - MLK Jr

Posted by: Danno1962 | 2010-01-09 5:48:08 AM


But Emery fought his imprisonment every step of the way, and only signed the plea bargain when his lawyer told him that further resistance was pointless. So, Emery did the opposite of what Dr. King said. Hence, Emery is a loser but then we knew that.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-01-09 6:42:05 AM



So much bitterness and mirth from the Puritanical Prohibitionists re. Marc Emery.

Excess Alcohol, Oxycontin and Rush Limbaugh cannot erase their feelings of low self worth in their empty and meaningless lives.

Sad really, perhaps a Puritanical Prohibitionist 'Reach Around' may be in order at the next Cow Tipping/ Barn Dance.

Yee Haw!

Posted by: jeff franklin | 2010-01-09 7:09:02 AM


Why all the rage against Emery's opponents? If you people could only see the flaws in your boy there, you'd realize how pathetic he is. You never had a chance with him. I understood his goals from the start: make money and avoid jail. He failed at both. It's called analysis - discovering strengths and weaknesses. So get off the drugs and maybe you'd have a chance next time - if there ever will be one.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-01-09 7:41:13 AM


I believe 419 is already giving Zeb the 'Reach Around' while he snipes from the safety of his bush.

Zeb you sure got a pretty mouth.

Posted by: Paul Hansen | 2010-01-10 3:42:46 AM


Yo Paul Hanson-
you demonstrate great potential as announcer for Jr A hockey. Now if you can just get the local truck dealership to sponsor you, man, you got it made.

next career move- hockey banquet speakers circuit

Posted by: 419 | 2010-01-10 9:45:15 AM


You should see me work the room at bar mitzvahs, Bill Murray would be proud.

Hey he smokes weed too!

All the best in 2010

Posted by: Paul Hansen | 2010-01-11 5:52:11 AM


Well that explains his regrets over Garfield during his cameo in "Zombieland."

Hey, remember how Emery's extradition order could be signed any time now? I'll bet he does! Loser. I hope he likes his 5 year stretch for drug dealing. While in prison, I hope he finds Jesus, repents his sins, gets rehab, and learns a skill - oh, and avoids the shower. And to make matters worse Jodie can't visit because she won't be allowed into the country. Boy, I'd hate to be in his shoes.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-01-11 6:59:04 AM


Honourable Zeb--

We have to hand it to the Cdn Depr of Justice and the US Dept of Justice..they know so well how psychology works, to achieve an end that benefits society. This whole Emery ordeal, has taken FIVE YEARS to get to the point where they are taking him across the border..The five tar delay has solved many problems
1_ the DEA & the RCMP are even better buddies
2_ Canada avoided the drama of handing over a whiteman drug criminal to other white justice types, go ahead and hiss if you want to
3_ any dream of Emery & the 420 superstars that he was leading a peaceful social happy safe drug reform advance movement is now dashed to pieces, he had enough time to screw himself up bad, and for keeps with his own mouth
4- nsure there were save marc Emery and rallies in his support, but that all fizzed away- nobody stepped up to offer political support, financial support or even media support for him. We see that only the Emery camp were active in all this protest- the other 420 grassroot superstars were completely useless..lame and demonstrably invalid
5-the five year period allowed the Conservative govt to accurately review and evaluate the multi billion dollar criminal pot industry in Canada and come up with realistic legislation to address it. That was something the fluffy liberals never got around to like ever, & why pirate pot commerce is today so out of hand that self serving little dope rats like Emery could stake out territory in downtown Vancouver.
6- All those bail conditions on Emery was just to show he is tied to a string afterall..and all his scofflaw anarchist friends could see for themself a marked man walking with an clock on his head.. and when the time was right- someone in Ottawa yanks the string and he is pulled aboard the shop of state like a fish and sent to America for fileting
7_ no drama,.no tears, no cries from the street- Emery confessed ebverything and plead guilty- and even agreed to all the bail terms // well everything excpet stop using party drugs, maybe because he can't stop himself, maybe he is showing that severe pot use is indeed if not addictive is indeed habit forming -
and once a chronic smoker - always a chronic smoker. Great demo for any young people or police officers who may have wondered just how weird is pot on the human being over time-- well take a look at marc Emery= a free range non government lab animal for THC.. and it isn't pretty folks- watch his brain slipping into dullness with the occasional burst of self entitlement..
7_ now to see what five years of detox will do for him.. will his reason return or is it permanently eraced? We will see for ourselves.. Marc Emery acted as a THC lab expoeriment to show all this, because it would be just too cruel to make these long term tests on a human being = and he is especially valuable to demonstrate how large social doses of thc affects not your average stoner dolt- but a _clever person over time to learn just how their higher facilities collapse and in which order.
8_ and if that's not evidence enough- he will be writing his own massive auto biography in jail so e can see in a glance how far and fast he fell. Its usually pretty hard to get a lab rat to write up their own report.. I hope, in the shadow if the Black civil tights movement he seems to take such great solace in as a Wipehead slum god for dope, that Mr Emery will title his book
"Stoned Like Me"

prison is not to punish but to give some alone time to maybe reflect.I hope 1--- leftist stoner ap[ologists won't swoop down like seagulls on that line screaming the US prison industry just needs innocent bodies to burn.. well whatever happened to
" Change comes from within ? "
nothing like lots of free time to work that option. Change we had hoped for did not occur with lots of available expensive black market pot grown by criminal gangs using Mr Emerys seeds.


Posted by: 419 | 2010-01-11 11:34:29 AM


Detox? I'll say it again "Detox?"

What a Joke.

Everytime I go to Madagascar (where I live and work 6 months of the year) I ahem "detox" and sleep very well at night thankyou.
I also work very hard and am quite successful.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

Your ignorance should make you a happy/blissful person instead of the sad wanna be fascist that you are.

Just knowing such nonsense upsets fools like you makes my day!

Thankfully the Wild Rose Gang will help divide idiots like ya'll.

Oh here comes my coffee! Gotta go Bitches.


Posted by: Paul Hansen | 2010-01-12 2:11:58 AM


Have fun in Madagascar
at the celocanth festival,
see you in August

Posted by: 419 | 2010-01-12 10:05:12 AM


Pff, cannabis laws are unconstitutional.

"PART I

Canadian charter of rights and freedoms

Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law"

SUPREMACY OF GOD.

Genisis (from that God book thingy)
1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Then god makes a bunch of animals n stuff.....

1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Doesnt seam to me that cannabis prohibition recognizes "the supremacy of God", a founding principal of this country, supposedly lol.

Posted by: Baker | 2010-01-12 1:23:46 PM


Does Harper's suspension of Parliamentary democracy, thru prorogation, not also suspend this petty tyrant's rule?

It ought to.

Posted by: JC | 2010-01-12 2:00:52 PM


Using the Bible to justify drugs? Now it is clear that you people have no limits.

As for Mr. Harper's outstanding administration, it appears that all the "opposition" can do is cry 'tyrant'. They have nothing to offer but irrational pleadings, whereas Mr. Harper has demonstrably shown superior leadership in almost every category. Indeed, for opposing Kyoto and this whole "global warming" hoax, he deserves the status of National Savior. Millions owe their jobs and access to medical care to this decision. So, Mr. Harper can take a few extra days if he so needs. He deserves them.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-01-12 2:30:24 PM


Honourable Zebulon: let these wipehead apologists have their too little too late stab at keyboard anarchism, it doesn't matter at this point.

*** Emery is sizzlin' in his own boiling grease waiting for the Justice Minister to dunk him, head first like a libertine donut- into the double double take out coffee of social validity

BILL C-15, the hardball anti dope farm, factory and retail franchise will take root and flourish as surely as a million pot plants did from Marc Emerys former mail order seed business. The senate might be off on an early March break, but all parties nod to the gravity of the bill. It will not fade away, it will be back no matter who runs the government.

Medical marijuana is acceptable for certain compassionate uses across Canada and in all 50 US startes,, however the feds will crush out any * all fraud and abuse of this move in the months to come. They have already started

*** We will never understand why Europe, Africa, South America and Asia managed to heal themselves successfully in modern times without all this hippy storefront dispensary medical marijuana crap that is gagging dozens of American and Canadian cities..same human race, same health aliments, same prohibition format..same ratio of stoners there as well. What does this tell you about the THC BS factor in North America ?

when Parliment returns they will driving a bulldozer,a grader, and a garbage truck..

Posted by: 419 | 2010-01-12 3:08:25 PM


"Using the Bible to justify drugs?"

No im using the canadian charter of rights and freedoms, to justify my freedom to use, and posses cannabis if i so please. Whats wrong with using the canadian charter of rights and freedoms zeb? Are we not in Canada?

Posted by: Baker | 2010-01-12 4:28:49 PM


"Let these wipehead apologists have their too little too late stab at keyboard anarchism, it doesn't matter at this point. "

Funny, i see it the other way around. 5 states now have bills for legalization of cannabis. One in California just got a step forward from California law makers, i think the may be a couple other bills in california in addition to this one, as well a ballot measure to legalize in November. This combined with another half year of possible cannabis attention from bill c-15, as well as the attention from emery, i see legalization coming soon. The same story is echoed all around the world with countries, for example decriminalizing personal growing and some completely legalizing.

The public is waking up. You should make your signs soon, i'd go with the classic "the end is near", fits the crazy persona well.

Posted by: Baker | 2010-01-12 4:39:38 PM


There may be bills before law makers, but with an issue like that the process is long, drawn out and usually imposes strict conditions on access to drugs. Like the Netherlands and Portugal, there are strings attached. Abusing the system leads to punishments.

And if you think Emery had anything to do with it, think again. He's a loser pure and simple, who is about to spend the next few years in prison. His futile and pathetic gestures, what his defenders call "sacrifices," have amounted to nothing.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-01-12 4:52:53 PM


"... This combined with another half year of possible cannabis attention from bill c-15, as well as the attention from emery, i see legalization coming soon...."
doth say Citizen Baker

Well, well.. how bout defining " soon " how about one year from today-- and let's put $25 on this. ONE YEAR is midnight Jan 12. 2011: where will your pot legalization ship be sailing ? Come on, I am wrong and stupid and rich, can't beat them odds.. that's 25 Canadian dollars you will be scooping up as easy as pie.

You're probably right about Emery, his plight has touched the hardest cold Conservative hearts coast to coast. his struggle has served a higher purpose .. to earn you $25

money/mouth: you know the drill

Posted by: 419 | 2010-01-12 6:15:14 PM


419, 419, 419. You know as well as I that they don't have any money. They spend it all on their drug habit. I don't know why they desire to legalize drugs, all it would mean is rampant profiteering. Soon they'd run out of money to feed their addiction, leading to even more crime than before. Even Emery, were he a free man, would raise his prices to capitalize on the demand.

It appears that the status quo is best for druggies. Their real goal, however, is public acceptance for their cult. That is why we, the masses, must deny them.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-01-12 7:07:12 PM


"It appears that the status quo is best for druggies. Their real goal, however, is public acceptance for their cult. That is why we, the masses, must deny them."

So you and 419 are the masses? Putting on a bit of weight are you? Well I'm not surprised as all you seem to do is sit in front of your computer and bitch about people who aren't like you. Oh, and work Marc Emery into every conversation. I have to wonder, do you 2 have any friends?

Posted by: Steve Bottrell | 2010-01-12 7:51:18 PM


Honourable Zebulon:
Its amusing the wipehead apologists are greatly encouraged by a few small potatoe polls that suggest their nation is ready to rise up and embrace legalized dope, and that they will no longer have to dodge patrol cars o no matter that ANY SUCH DECISION WOULD AFFECT FUTURE GENERATIONS.. no all they want is to be able to score with heat and get wrecked without consequences and let the black market win over dope and then move to take over eb[very other supply them aspect of their intoxicated lives, Hear them botch bitch bitch at their own government- ha wait till they try to bitch bitch bitch at the crime gangs who will bring them contraband dope even after prohibition is lifted,

Its a good thing the wipehead minority don't go out to vote, and when they do its for some fourth string disarticulates who will never go anywhere. In the end, the starights will prevail, They are doing a great job of prevailing over the wipehead goofs as it is.

And the wipeheads shoot each other...and rob each other, and rat each other out...

Posted by: 419 | 2010-01-12 8:12:05 PM


lol 419 you sound like a nit whit.

But i do agree "ANY SUCH DECISION WOULD AFFECT FUTURE GENERATIONS"

They wont have to have their money pissed away, their futures pissed away, their safety pissed away, all because narrow minded people like yourself are to lazy to look beyond the refer madness.

"no all they want is to be able to score with heat and get wrecked without consequences"

If i wanted to get "wrecked" i would drink smart guy.

"and let the black market win over dope and then move to take over eb[very other supply them aspect of their intoxicated lives"

LOL, U think the black market doesn't have a firm girp on cannabis now or something? The only thing cannabis legalization would do here is TAKE AWAY from the current gang run monopoly. lol.

"Hear them botch bitch bitch at their own government- ha wait till they try to bitch bitch bitch at the crime gangs who will bring them contraband dope even after prohibition is lifted"

Like how the majority of people get their alcohol from rum runners still? lol please. There is absolutely NO logic in your claim. Please try again.

Seriously, say something of substance 419, you look like an evangelical Cristian with all these unsupportable and ludicrous claims.

Posted by: Baker | 2010-01-12 8:47:08 PM


wow you are just so awesome Baker, you use such big words too..

its a lot of trouble to make rum and carry liquid about but its easy to grow pot and vend little bags of vegetation the markup on a small scale is considerable.. thats how and why contraband will flood any legal pot market..

..duh.. even wipeheads know that

Posted by: 419 | 2010-01-12 8:57:45 PM


It is much easier to make rum then cannabis. Rum can be done in a bucket in any space and takes a month or 2. Cannabis takes 4-5 months min, needs to have sun outdoors, or have a light setup and air system indoors. Cannabis is by in large a much more lengthy and complicated process. Futhermore there is ALOT that goes into growing high quality cannabis, not many people would know where to start, let alone invest all the time and learning involved. The vast majority of people would buy their own. Only a small percentage would grow their own, but that is akin to making ones own wine or beer, which is an EASIER process then growing cannabis.

"markup on a small scale is considerable"

Only due to prohibition, No legal commodity is 3000 a pound. It is lucrative to gangs because of prohibition.

Whos the whiphead now?

Posted by: Baker | 2010-01-12 9:07:36 PM


bucket rum? maybe in jail..
where are you writing from anyway ?

rum or any sprits requires first fermention then distillation then a filtering process.That qualifies as complex and labour intensive , especially on a small pail scale as you suggest. One pail of rum is worth maybe $100 plus and provides dozens of wipes to a few drinkers
a pail of pot is worth $ 2500 plus and provides thousands of wipes to dozens of wipeheads..
maybe call a teenager who will explain it all to you.

So, are you in for $25 or not ?

Posted by: 419 | 2010-01-12 9:54:56 PM


Has there been any news about Emery's extradition? If, as his customers say, he's some sort of hero, then his departure would have been headline news. On the other hand, he's nothing but a dumb punk to most observers, so it is unlikely to attract much attention. The minister responsible for signing his extradition papers will too give it such little attention as to be unmentionable. At most, his transfer will receive a brief blurb in a sympathetic newspaper. And there endeth the career of a druggie who founded a cult of drug worship that tried to manipulate people into believing he was something else.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-01-13 6:55:27 AM


Honourable Zebulon:

Good question where is the Prince of Pot this week?
Best bet would be to ask Matthew or Peter from the WS deck as they are underwriting that tell all bst seller about Emerys plight. and if they are smart. they will have already written the last chapter describing how he was taken away in plastic handcuffs and just drop in the dates at the last minute.
Those guys may talk liberty and faint hope clemancy for their # 003 hero on this site , but I can't imagine as smart publisher businessmen they would fudge their own book project by ending it with some fantasy projection of a Legalization Victory ticker tape parade for WS hero # 003 as he rides through the streets of Vancover on a pink elephant, squashing cop cars along the route.

Naw, they wouldn't want to be stuck with dead stock like Emery was, with skids of autographed copies of Cannabis Culture magazines in a dusty warehouse.

Posted by: 419 | 2010-01-13 9:30:16 AM


"rum(sic) or any sprits requires first fermention(sic) then distillation then a filtering process.That qualifies as complex and labour intensive , especially on a small pail scale as you suggest. One pail of rum is worth maybe $100 plus and provides dozens of wipes to a few drinkers
a pail of pot is worth $ 2500 plus and provides thousands of wipes to dozens of wipeheads.."

Fermentation requires no work at all, just time. Distillation requires a couple of hours and can be, and in fact regularly is, done by junior high students. Filtration takes a minute. Only a social conservative is dumb enough to consider this a complicated process. By contrast to grow $2500 worth of marijuana would require 2 to 3 months of flower preceded by at least 3 weeks of vegetative growth. Throughout this time they need to be cloned, re-potted, pruned, supported with some sort of structure, and finally harvested. Throughout this time they also need to be watered each day with a properly balanced nutrient solution which is pH adjusted to 6.3. This entire procedure would take 3 months (minimum), $3000 worth of equipment, and several hundred hours work. By contrast the bucket rum would take about a month, less than $200 dollars in equipment, and one (partial) day work.
The more you write about marijuana the more clear it becomes that you know nothing about it.

Posted by: DrLiberty | 2010-01-13 10:15:18 AM


keep drinking

Posted by: 419 | 2010-01-13 11:05:09 AM


I love it when they say drugs are better than something else. It only proves their desperation. If they were sober, maybe they could have helped Emery from prison.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-01-13 1:34:16 PM


You said it honourable Zebulon..

I love it when the wipheads declare that pot is safer than alcohol, and then blither on to list the horrors of alcohol.. and in doing so they are putting their sacred noxious weed safety value mere inches behind that demon ethyl train wreck..
It's even funnier when they claim pot should be legalized by their sworn enemies and taxed by the government they diss at every opportunity, like come on.. it's like crows & rats demanding the dump be kept open 24/7 for peoples'comfort& safety

I just wish these dopesters would bet real money on their babble, I would be rich if wipeheads were as astute as they were belicose..

Posted by: 419 | 2010-01-13 1:56:17 PM


Zebulon Pike: "I love it when they say drugs are better than something else. It only proves their desperation."

Great point, I actually agree with you on that one. Saying something (marijuana) is better than the worst possible thing (alcohol) is no sort of praise and is no reason to legalize it. The only problem with your assessment is that no one is doing that here. On this entire page not one post has said that marijuana is better than something else. The closest anyone came was Baker when he wrote "If i(sic) wanted to get "wrecked" i(sic) would drink smart guy". But even this says nothing of the relative merits of getting wrecked vs. not getting wrecked so doesn't count. You seem to suffer from the same lack of reading comprehension as 419 does. That’s the problem with home schooling I guess.

Posted by: DrLiberty | 2010-01-13 2:01:44 PM


"I just wish these do pesters(sic) would bet real money on their babble, I would be rich if wipeheads were as astute as they were bellicose(sic)."

Illegal gambling. Now there is something that is destructive and the police should crack down on. Are there more than two people involved? That would also make it subject to Canada's organized crime legislation. Do you really expect us to take seriously an admitted gangster?

Posted by: DrLiberty | 2010-01-13 2:07:33 PM


Criminal Code of Canada Sec. 202
(1) Every one commits an offence who

(d) records or registers bets or sells a pool;(e) engages in book-making or pool-selling, or in the business or occupation of betting, or makes any agreement for the purchase or sale of betting or gaming privileges, or for the purchase or sale of information that is intended to assist in book-making, pool-selling or betting;

Every one who commits an offence under this section is guilty of an indictable offence and liable
(a) for a first offence, to imprisonment for not more than two years;(b) for a second offence, to imprisonment for not more than two years and not less than fourteen days; and(c) for each subsequent offence, to imprisonment for not more than two years and not less than three months.
Source: http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/C-46/page-5.html#anchorbo-ga:l_VII-gb:s_201

Posted by: DrLiberty | 2010-01-13 2:15:06 PM


Since neither of you are capable of comprehending what you read let me summarize: 419 is a criminal, probably one who is part of organized crime. If he were a repeat offender, which he has admitted to, he would be subject to a mandatory minimum sentence in jail of 2 weeks to 3 months.

Posted by: DrLiberty | 2010-01-13 2:23:52 PM


lol @ 419 and Zeb. Just a note on the current spread of awareness. On CBC Doczone, on January 28, they will air Canna Biz: The secret economy of marijuana.

"Canada's cannabis industry, valued at some 20 billion dollars, has come to a violent crossroads between crime and commerce. And now that story is told in a new documentary titled CannaBiz. "

"Are the staggering profits from the cannabis industry better off in the pockets of hard-core smugglers and criminal gangs, or would the Canadian economy benefit from taxing this exploding industry?"


@419/Zeb, again i recommend the classic "the end is near" for your signs. Also writing them with your own poo would add the perfect "crazy man" touch that fits you soo well.

Posted by: Baker | 2010-01-13 3:29:15 PM


New Jersey just Monday passed a medical marijuana law bringing the total number of states to 13 that have one. Vote wasn't even close. 25-13 in the senate, 48-14 in the house.

The micro-majority grows again and now includes 26.42% of the American people living with the reality of medical marijuana.

Posted by: Fact provider | 2010-01-13 3:59:17 PM


I still don't see how "legalization" would help. If anything it would prevent law enforcement from containing illicit activities. if they think that licensing retailers would help, they're wrong. They too could be controlled by the wrong hands. Moreover, it is a fantasy that there could be a tax windfall from it. Also, "medical" uses are not the same as legalization, nor can those votes be construed as overall support. Yet, the druggies interpret any achievement, no matter how insignificant, as a victory. They might as well have Baghdad Bob as their spokesman - he'd be more compelling than Emery.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-01-13 4:29:10 PM


"I still don't see how "legalization" would help. If anything it would prevent law enforcement from containing illicit activities. if they think that licensing retailers would help, they're wrong. They too could be controlled by the wrong hands."

You dont know because you will not listen. Currently gangs/cartels/drug dealers 100% controll every aspect of cannabis from where its grown and how, to who gets to buy it. If we legalized and REGULATED it like alcohol, we would finally start to be able to control (regulate) cannabis like YOU want. And a retialer like the LCBO would be more likely to help law enforcement then gangs/cartels, there's no question and are SIGNIFICANTLY less likely to be "controlled by the wrong hands" then gangs, because gangs are the "wrong hands" in the first place.

"Moreover, it is a fantasy that there could be a tax windfall from it. Also, "medical" uses are not the same as legalization, nor can those votes be construed as overall support."

Ok, how about Massachusetts decriminalizing personal possession? That work for ya? lol. How about a LEGALIZATION bill getting a bump from California law makers in the past couple days? Does that work?

Posted by: Baker | 2010-01-13 4:43:41 PM


Again Zeb, read what people are actually saying not what you imagine them to be saying. Legalization is the next fight, right now it is decriminalization. Even though many of these laws fall well short of this as well they will serve to remove cannabis from the schedule 1 listings to something less severe. It will likely be listed as schedule two (which cocaine already is in the US) which means it has limited medical use. Any step in the right direction is worth some celebration.

Posted by: Fact provider | 2010-01-13 4:50:42 PM



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