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Saturday, December 19, 2009

David Suzuki makes no sense

Alberta Ardvark posted this video on his blog:

In the first part of the video Mr. Suzuki draws a comparison between the race to get to space and fighting global warming. He says that no one complained about the cost, but this is an irrelevant comparison. Lowering CO2 to the point that some scientists say that we need will cost trillions of dollars. If going to the moon cost trillions of dollars then yes people would complain about the cost.

He then goes on to say that going to space had positive unintended consequences, and he implies that so will decreasing CO2. Just because something is good doesn't mean that something else totally unrelated is also good.


What is climate justice?

Posted by Hugh MacIntyre on December 19, 2009 | Permalink


The Americans could say that they spent all their money going to the moon so now they have none left for the fight against global warming.

But what is Canada's excuse?

Posted by: Altavistagoogle | 2009-12-19 6:06:19 AM

Climate Justice = hand over all your money, evil polluting capitalist.

To that, I use the words of Leonidas and the 300 Spartans at Thermopylae in 480 BCE.

"Come and get them."

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-12-19 8:01:54 AM

Altavistagoogle queries..."But what is Canada's excuse?"

We've ploughed all our money into the CBC and now we have no money left over for the fight against global warming...boy, if only we turn back the hands of time.

Posted by: baba o'reilly | 2009-12-19 8:27:18 AM

Wouldn't you know it - Canada's financial obligation under Kyoto is PRECISELY the same amount as the CBC's annual budget. What an incredible coincidence!

Then what would the greenies do? Sacrifice their main media outlet or fulfill their dream? I'd say they'd still whine and complain because that's all Ontarians know how to do.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-12-19 9:52:58 AM

Why does anybody listen to this fool? He is a geneticist not a climate scientist. His ramblings have as much weight as the train engineer running this scam on behalf of the UN. The so called scientists who fudged, manipulated and mangled the data have destroyed any credibility this pseudo science might have had. The case for climate change (seasons) and global warming is a fraud and so is David Suzuki.

Posted by: B | 2009-12-19 10:38:13 AM

ZP: "Then what would the greenies do? Sacrifice their main media outlet or fulfill their dream?"

I think we should sacrifice it for them.
Firstly it would deny them the platform to expound on their bullshit to the proletariat.
Secondly once these media type wankers got a taste of unemployment, they just might change their tune about advocating unemployment for all except themselves.
Suzuki, like Gore, is the worst kind of hypocrit. They enrich themselves while advocating everyone else return to the late stone age.

Posted by: Ed Ellison | 2009-12-19 12:17:48 PM

Cost of the space race (constant dollars): 237 billions dollars.


Posted by: David Gagnon | 2009-12-19 12:21:34 PM

Did the warmers like Suzuki expect this process to be quick and easy? Did they think that holding up the Science God would open all doors and prevent dissent? If so, then I am glad to disappoint them. Fighting them every step of the way exposed them as dishonest fraud artists. They refused to answer straight questions like "How much will it cost the taxpayer?" or "Why did you exempt Ontario's auto industry?" And now thanks to Climate Gate, we the people won against these self-appointed elites.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-12-19 12:37:45 PM

"The case for climate change (seasons) and global warming is a fraud and so is David Suzuki."

Amazing. Despite the fact that the world does naturally warm and cool it must be a fraud? Go back under your rock.

Posted by: Rider Fan | 2009-12-19 1:54:33 PM

I will clarify my position: Anthropogenic Global Warming is a fraud and so is Suzuki. I hope that helps. Now if the Riders could learn to count to 13 ...

Posted by: B | 2009-12-19 3:13:46 PM

I propose that anything currently named for Pierre Elliot Trudeau be renamed in honor of Mr. Harper. That anything was named for the greatest human rights violator in Canadian history is an atrocity in itself. It seems appropriate to name it in favor of a true hero, one who saw the truth behind the global warming hoax while others were willing to obey like sheep regardless of the cost. He is a hero in the highest sense of the word - placing the people's needs above partisanship and sectional politics.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-12-20 10:23:00 AM

your article doesn't make sense

you missed the point.

this isn't about moon shoes!¡

its about your carbon footprint


Posted by: MINDY | 2009-12-20 12:23:35 PM


"What is climate justice?"

"climate justice" is like "social justice": an ambiguous, non-descript socialist platitude, meant to sound sweet, but invariably means "forced collectivism".

Posted by: shel | 2009-12-20 4:31:48 PM

You know, I'm not sure what Evan Solomon's position is in all of this, but he sure does look perplexed at the sight and sound of Suzuki coming unglued before his very eyes.

Posted by: Ed Ellison | 2009-12-20 7:32:05 PM

There is no comparison, Suzuki is comparing apples to unicorns.

I guess Suzuki doesn't know that the Americans, like the Russians, used their then current ICBMs to launch their first satellites and various other space payloads.

The Climate Crisis is a Hoax.
There is no Global Warming.
There is no Energy Shortage.
Suzuki is demanding national and Global economic sacrifice to solve a problem that DOESN'T EXISTS!

Let's pretend, hypothetically, that the "Climate Crisis" exists.
Suzuki and his ilk are demanding that we radically cut conventional energy sources and replace them with non-conventional energy sources which haven't been developed yet.

That is the equivalent of the character in the old-timey cartoons sawing off the tree limb that he is perched on before repositioning himself on a new supporting limb!

Leftist like to throw around the term "unsustainable".
That, my friends, is an unsustainable strategy.

I know there is a long time Leftist myth that there are more "environmentally friendly" alternative energy systems already invented that "Big Oil" has secretly bought up from the inventors and hidden away from the public and the market.
This myth is why the proposal to "saw off" the tree limb we are sitting on seems like a sane thing to do.
It is imagined that severing our current conventional energy supplies will "force" this already invented replacement technology out of secrecy and into the open, to be marketed and to replace the "dirty" technology.

Bottom line: If this mythical technology actually existed it would have to have already been patented in order to keep it suppressed from production by a competing developmental source.

If it was already patented, researchers would have already run up against the patents for this technology and the facts and details of the technology would no longer be secret.

Posted by: Speller | 2009-12-20 10:01:27 PM

There was a time I respected Suzuki. Now he's just another overbearing nut bar. A incovenient truth.

Posted by: peterj | 2009-12-20 11:09:55 PM

Mindy, it is actually about making an absurd comparison to try and win sympathy for your point of view. It is about people who don't seem able to make good counter arguments to fair criticism of their position.

What? You think fighting global warming is too costly? Well this other thing that cost a lot of money was good, so you shouldn't complain.

That argument makes no sense.

Posted by: Hugh MacIntyre | 2009-12-21 2:36:19 AM

peterj: "There was a time I respected Suzuki."

The man was iconic here in Canada for the longest time, a pillar of Canada's consciousness for things wild and natural. After decades of teaching young kids about science on the "Nature of Things", he has certainly lost his way.
There is nothing even remotely scientific about the ranting and raving, the foaming about the mouth, for AGW.
Like Gore, he has turned the study of climate into a political tool to enrich himself and his foundation.
What an embarrassment.

Posted by: Ed Ellison | 2009-12-21 9:34:47 AM

I agree, like many, that indeed we need to take better care of the environment, but the climate change hoax is not the answer, nor will it have the least affect on the subject. As for Suzuki, I cannot ever recall when he made much sense. Even his CBC shows, The Nature of Things, was often full of erroneous information. I recall his claim that predators, including the Great Horned owl, only kill to eat, and then only the weak and sick. Anyone who has lived close to nature and observed it knows this is totally false.

Posted by: Alain | 2009-12-21 6:06:19 PM

Lord Christopher Monckton, reporting from the summit, has stated that the only goal of the conference was to implement the framework and the funding for a world government �quot; which he asserts has been achieved.“That is the one thing that they are definitely going to succeed in doing here and they will announce that as a victory in itself, and they will be right because that is the one and only single aim of this entire global warming conference, to establish the mechanism, the structure, and above all the funding for a world government.” They are going to take from the western countries the very large financial resources required to do that.” Monckton said, adding “They will disguise it by saying they are setting up a $100 billion fund for adaptation to climate change in third world countries, but actually, this money will almost all be gobbled up by the international bureaucracy.”“The first thing they will do, and the one thing I think they were always going to succeed in doing at this conference is to agree to establish what will be delicately called ‘the institutional framework’. Now that is a code word for world government.
PS: We need to establish the truth about Climate Change from credible Scientists' stop these Climate Summits before we’re all Carbon taxed to death and acquire some UN and Elitist arrests! Like for example Al Gore! Folks we are actually dealing with criminals here! I don't know if the world figures them too big to arrest or what but our Sovereignty is in peril of being lost! Help me stop them by stepping up and making your opinions known!

Take a look at this video clip with a little humor that states the case of where things stand with the CRU East Anglia Email Leaks! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8O-E_GN0Kg&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: M Btok | 2009-12-22 9:26:20 AM

In my view An enterprising person is one who comes across a pile of scrap metal and sees the making of a wonderful sculpture. An enterprising person is one who drives through an old decrepit part of town and sees a new housing development. An enterprising person is one who sees opportunity in all areas of life. To be enterprising is to keep your eyes open and your mind active. It's to be skilled enough, confident enough, creative enough and disciplined enough to seize opportunities that present themselves... regardless of the economy.


Posted by: Albert | 2009-12-23 11:17:52 PM

Global warming is a fraud and so David Suzuki and Al gore. Al gore created his own CO2 company as investment and uses above average enegy than average American people not to mention his private jet.

Posted by: mimi | 2009-12-24 12:43:28 PM

As a thermodynamicist that has worked at the graduate level in several post-secondary Central Canadian public institutions, I have an idea. Since, there is no clear reason as to why one would even obtain the hypothesis that the planet is 'heating up' due to 'green house gasses', the 'scientists and engineers' who have been writing research grant requests repeating the UN line should be requested to write essays on precisely why it is they believe that a slight change in the composition of any atmosphere would lead to a massive shift in global temperatures and then defend it.
A gas is a gas (i.e. PV=nRT natural gas law, nothing said about what type of gas (n)).

Go look at the publicity coming out of the Fuel Cell Research Centre in Kingston (Ontario) for example....global warming and greenhouse gasses...blah blah blah...look how sophisticated I am. I can repeat David Suzuki's garbage and am unable to think for myself therefore send me all over the world on taxpayer money to stay in expensive hotels and go to pretentious conferences and be pretentious over taxpayer paid for coctails....
Yet, if you bring up the fact that building 7 on 9-11, all of a sudden, turned into dust, they run in the reverse direction as though you have the plague. I guess they like the 'number' the government has assigned them.


Posted by: fuelcellboy | 2009-12-25 3:14:40 PM

OK, first let me say that AGW *is* real, and that our CO2 pollution is causing other problems as well, e.g. acidification of the oceans. I understand that I am nearly alone here, but I expect that if the subject were biological evolution, this crowd would also be skeptical. BTW the fact of biological evolution is at least as solidly established in the world of science as relativity or quantum mechanics.
As a libertarian, I support the view that tort mechanisms are best for handling damages. If one brings real harm to another, there should be a civil remedy, and generally that remedy is monetary compensation.
That said, obviously the prospect of a trillion dollars is going to attract every scam artist in town. A much better policy would be compensation in kind, i.e. zero-emission power generation tech.
BTW I do think that there exist smart strategies for rapidly reducing our emissions. Cutting waste would be an excellent start, good for at least a 50% reduction with little pain.

Posted by: Colin Broughton | 2009-12-25 8:16:58 PM

...and that our CO2 pollution is causing other problems as well, e.g. acidification of the oceans.
Posted by: Colin Broughton | 2009-12-25 8:16:58 PM

When did CO2 become "pollution"? If CO2 is pollution then we should eliminate it shouldn't we. Any idea what a world with CO2 would look like?

Posted by: The Stig | 2009-12-25 8:55:09 PM

In 2050, my Grandkids will be 50 years old plus and minus, depending on which kid. They will live well in a great Earth. AGW scare is hogwash. Libertarians need to discover faith.

Posted by: Agha Ali Arkhan | 2009-12-25 11:28:30 PM

"Libertarians need to discover faith."

Posted by: Agha Ali Arkhan- Bin Laden | 2009-12-25 11:28:30

And religious Flakes need to realize that all they have is faith, which in your case has manifested itself into denial due to lack of depth and a desire to understand the truth.
Suzuki's comparisons were not so broad so as to be categorized as reaching, just look at the positive consequences of engineering development in many facits or aspects of life. a nuclear weapons program is directly responsible for nuclear power,nuclear medicine, and machinery that uses radiation to treat and diagnose, (X-rays for instance), microwave communication, microwaves ovens, and a multitude of other products, chemicals and items.
The cost was enormous, and those caputred scientists probably set in motion the end of the earth at one point. My point is the manhattan project was incredibly expensive, yet has benefited mankind in many ways, inadvertently.
If what David Suzuki says boggles your mind then maybe judging him isn't your right either.
Because All governments are in bed with big business, the truth will never ever come from the government side, taking there side and not being on the fence on this issue makes you a sceptic

Posted by: If you don't know by now | 2009-12-26 12:56:32 PM

Posted by: If you don't know by now | 2009-12-26 12:56:32 PM

Time will show that Agha is right and you are just another brainwashed treehugger. Those who can think for themselves know bullshit when they see it.

Posted by: peterj | 2009-12-26 9:40:36 PM

"Those who can think for themselves know bullshit when they see it."

Posted by: peterj | 2009-12-26 9:40:36 PM

Peter is defined as stone..or penis i guess, and I agree you are a dense rock head.

You Know Bullshit biblical Peter? Try again because that isn't be you biblical Peter, I have yet to see you write anything that would suggest you are capable of an original thought. Bullshit in a repackaged stubborn form is all you relay, by that standard I agree you "know bullshit when you hear it", because that is only what you are willing to involve yourself with.
I have no doubt innovation or imagination is not your strong suit and concepts or theories are beyond your grasp, fair enough, but please don't poop on what you have little ability or desire to understand. Much in life is beyond you, this is why you poop on everything and are so miserable.In a web 2.0 world you have the ability to actually create knowledge which is your own, but it takes desire to only want to know and understand the truth no matter how painful it may be. Only a fool would make the argument that our world is not alarmingly poluted, a fool like who?

And as far as being a tree hugger. I would rather look at trees and hug them over you, they offer much and take nothing unlike a destroyer of everything good and needed like you biblical peter.

Posted by: Trees are needed stop peter types before they kill all of us | 2009-12-27 8:02:17 AM

Posted by: Trees are needed stop peter types before they kill all of us | 2009-12-27 8:02:17 AM

As far as pollution is concerned, I'm all for cleaning it up where ever possible, although the planet was much more polluted 70 years ago. The Thames and Rhine rivers were cesspools. As far as global warming is concerned, it's still a massive con job. The planet has been warming long before people made a impact. All of north america was under ice not all that long ago. Carbon trading....ooh yah... As a very wise person once said..."Stupid is as stupid does".

Posted by: peterj | 2009-12-27 10:29:06 PM

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