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Sunday, December 27, 2009
Canada deplores and condemns over the holidays
Lawrence Cannon, Minister of Foreign Affairs, took time off on Christmas day to officially deplore the 11-year prison sentence given to Chinese intellectual and dissident Liu Xiaobo by the Beijing Municipal No. 1 Intermediate People’s Court:
“Canada deplores the sentencing of Liu Xiaobo, whom we believe is being punished for exercising his right to peaceful and non-violent freedom of expression.
“Canada is concerned by Mr. Liu’s lengthy detention, which began a year ago. We are also deeply concerned by the circumstances of his trial, which was not open, and to which family members and foreign observers—including Canadian Embassy representatives—were denied access.
“As we have done since Mr. Liu’s detention began, Canada once again urges China to release him without condition.
“The Government of Canada is fully committed to promoting freedom, democracy, human rights and the rule of law worldwide.”
Two days later the same minister condemned Iran’s crackdown on protesters in Tehran:
“Canada is deeply concerned by the Iranian regime’s violent crackdown today, December 27, against Iranian citizens who were exercising their rights to freedom of expression and assembly on the occasion of Ashura.
“Iranian security forces once again used intimidation and violence against citizens of Iran. The Iranian regime’s continued effort to restrict freedom of expression and assembly, thereby depriving its citizens of their rights, is deplorable, especially on the holy day of Ashura, a national holiday that marks an important Shia religious event. The people of Iran deserve to have their voices heard and to enjoy the rights to which they are entitled without fear of violence and intimidation.
“The Government of Canada condemns the use of brutal violence by the Iranian security forces and once again calls upon Iran to meet its human rights obligations.”
Posted by Matthew Johnston
Posted by westernstandard on December 27, 2009 | Permalink
Comments
Canada needs to keep from "cracking down on freedom of expression" on its own citizens.
Ask Mr. Ezra Levant.
Posted by: Jeff Belinski | 2009-12-27 11:59:10 PM
This was a proper action concerning China and Iran, however I also must agree with Jeff that the same government has done nothing to restore our traditional freedom.
Posted by: Alain | 2009-12-28 10:49:12 AM
"Canada deplores the sentencing of Liu Xiaobo, whom we believe is being punished for exercising his right to peaceful and non-violent freedom of expression."
Kind of like Marc Emery is being punished for his non-violent expression of freedom?
Posted by: DrGreenthumb | 2009-12-28 11:36:33 AM
“The Government of Canada is fully committed to promoting freedom, democracy, human rights and the rule of law worldwide.” Yeah sure!!
The Government of Canada sided with the Canadian Human Rights Commission (CHRC) against free speech in the Lemire Case. See article at link below:
Freedom of Expression and the “Conservative” Government
http://graysinfo.blogspot.com/2009/03/freedom-of-expression-and-conservative.html
Posted by: Stephen J. Gray | 2009-12-28 12:14:17 PM
Its just preparation for war in Irans case, and wasted breath in China's case. Its the game in full play. Get the dumb populace to buy into the BS, keep a boogy man out there to scare everyone to dumb to think for themselves, and keep the war machine at work. WTF could Iran do to us or the USA? Nothing. If they did, they know they wouldn't stand a chance, so they won't. Maybe they can stage another false flag event like 911. Thats right, it was staged to draw the country into war, your government kill 3000+ of its own citizens to get into the war. Why would you be surprised by this? It has happened many times in this century alone. The evidence is astounding, and yet people still run around saying it was some guy in a cave in Afghanistan that orchestrated this. Yeah. Sure it was. Look beyond the talking heads for the men behind the curtains.
Posted by: Steve Bottrell | 2009-12-28 1:22:39 PM
"Kind of like Marc Emery is being punished for his non-violent expression of freedom?"
Posted by: DrGreenthumb | 2009-12-28 11:36:33 AM
Who couldn't be in support of this reMarc?
Posted by: pencils in a cup | 2009-12-28 1:43:40 PM
"Its just preparation for war in Irans case, and wasted breath in China's case. Its the game in full play. Get the dumb populace to buy into the BS, keep a boogy man out there to scare everyone to dumb to think for themselves, and keep the war machine at work. WTF could Iran do to us or the USA? Nothing. If they did, they know they wouldn't stand a chance, so they won't. Maybe they can stage another false flag event like 911. Thats right, it was staged to draw the country into war, your government kill 3000+ of its own citizens to get into the war. Why would you be surprised by this? It has happened many times in this century alone. The evidence is astounding, and yet people still run around saying it was some guy in a cave in Afghanistan that orchestrated this. Yeah. Sure it was. Look beyond the talking heads for the men behind the curtains. "
Posted by: Steve Bottrell | 2009-12-28 1:22:39 PM
Thank you for writing this Steve, even if it isn't all exactly correct, it has to be closer to the truth than what we have been lead to believe.
Posted by: pencils in a cup | 2009-12-28 1:49:56 PM
Pencils, I have to ask, in what way is this not correct? I'm sure I am going to regret this :)
Posted by: Steve Bottrell | 2009-12-28 4:44:54 PM
No it very well be the truth, I was just saying if by chance it is not all correct, it is probably close enough. I am firm believer that we know nothing for sure, and reality about much is constantly changing with new information revealed. I would give anything to see more and indisputable conspiracy evidence come to light about this being an opearation. I wish The Sheik mohhamad trial would be made public so we could see if he had anything at all to do with it. Like I said the truth because we don't know for sure is probably closer to what you believe than what the media,many here and apparently our government believes.
have a nice day . :)
Posted by: Gibertarian Gullshit | 2009-12-28 5:21:59 PM
Emery has too much economic self-interest in his campaign to be considered a 'dissident'. He's really just a common criminal and should be treated as such.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-12-28 5:43:29 PM
LOL like that whore we call a Prime Minister isn't making money off his "campaign". You are flipping hilarious Zeb. We live in a monetary age, everything has to be done for profit. If you can't make a buck off it, it won't be done. But what Marc did was beyond what your elected representatives have ever done. He gave his money back to the people. Perhaps its for a cause you don't believe in, but a great many people do believe in his cause. And the funny thing is, most people don't know who he is. The vast majority of people here have no idea. And yet when asked, still support his cause, and that is legalize pot. So don't make him out to be the marijuana messiah, he is just a man who has the guts to say "this is wrong", really loud. And in some circles he is heard. But in many others, he is unknown, and still the message is heard. Because the message is common sense. People with common sense can see this is a big ball of shit. And controlling, petty, greedy, duplicitous, and intentionally ignorant people are the source of this ball of shit. Well, them and money.
Posted by: Steve Bottrell | 2009-12-28 6:42:14 PM
Check out the Venus Project Zeb, the more I read about it, the more I like it. A resource based economy has a nice feel to it. Automation is happening anyway, so why shouldn't it benefit all mankind instead of a few greedy, power hungry pigs? Libertarians have the right idea, with in the constructs of our present society, but the solution is to rid ourselves of money.
Posted by: Steve Bottrell | 2009-12-28 6:58:29 PM
Emery's tactics, or lack thereof, also caused his failure. He hasn't generated enough interest in his cause. But it doesn't matter - even if he did, he's such a clown that he invites more derision than support.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-12-28 7:06:58 PM
And what do you invite?
Posted by: Steve Bottrell | 2009-12-28 7:38:13 PM
Cannon can squawk his outrage all he wants. Chaina and Iran laughs in his face.
Empty words as long as Harper lets Khadr remain in a gulag, denied justice.
Posted by: ronin | 2009-12-29 12:42:40 PM
Who gives a rats ass what china does. Why would we consider ourselves a world player with all of 33 million people against Chinas 1.4 billion. We have enough problems in this country without looking at problems we have no control over. If you want a good cause then maybe try complaining to the government about our local nazies...the HRC. Lets try deploring and condeming closer to home.
Posted by: peterj | 2009-12-30 9:46:37 PM
ronin said: "Empty words as long as Harper lets Khadr remain in a gulag, denied justice."
Khadr got more justice than if the roles had been reversed, you apologist fool.
The sanction for being captured on a battlefield as a non-national illegal combattant is summary execution. That is the Geneva Convention.
The Taliban or AQ would have thrown in some torture just for good measure, instead of treating his wounds and saving his life.
Every government since Chretien's liberals have not wanted this trash back in Canada, not just Harper.
Maybe he could stay at your house then, along with the rest of his vermin family.
I really don't want a dime of my tax money spent on this piece of shit.
Posted by: Ed Ellison | 2009-12-31 2:56:29 PM
GUANTANAMO BAY, Cuba–The U.S. "government "manufactured" evidence against Omar Khadr when it changed a document two months after his arrest and blamed him for throwing a grenade during a firefight that killed a soldier, his lawyer said yesterday.
The defence made public two documents in a U.S. military war crimes court showing that the on-scene commander altered official documents recounting the events of July 27, 2002, when Khadr was arrested in Afghanistan following a firefight with U.S. forces.
Those documents were received from the prosecution as part of the discovery process.
The information casts further doubt on the culpability of the 21-year-old Toronto man, who was arrested at an Al Qaeda compound at the age of 15."
This is probably closer to the truth than what some here believe. Why is propaganda and misinformation so attractive to some? Everything we know about this family comes from unreliable sources, this should send of the first in a series of alarms if one is at all rational.
If Khadr actually killed an invading soldier, on a battle field how is that a crime? If your biased enough to twist it into something one sided then hasn't several years of abject horror at the hands of thugs repaid his debt to them, in some twisted way? Does everybody else get a second chance but him? Does he inspire fear in any of you? Would his treatment from the hands of who most of you believe is the good side not warrant hollywood/american style retaliation? the only reason I mention retatilation is because this could be the only fear regarding letting him be at this point and I think it is unfounded.
The Sheikh Khalid Mohammed trial of sorts would be interesting if it was conducted like any other trial. The man probably had nothing to do with 911 so the evidence against him will be facinating to say the least.
Posted by: How is what he did an affront to Canada | 2009-12-31 5:27:06 PM
All the lying will not change the fact that Khadr was caught red-handed as a terrorist. He actually deserved much more than the kid glove treatment he has received. I agree with Ed that Canada should not spend a dime on this individual, and furthermore he has no business being in this country.
Posted by: Alain | 2010-01-01 11:56:22 AM
"All the lying will not change the fact that Khadr was caught red-handed as a terrorist"
Posted by: Alain | 2010-01-01 11:56:22 AM
WOW is Alain stupid, who saw what, was it you? He was not caught doing anything, and it has already been substantiated that evidence against him was fabricated days after his capture, why won't you accept the evidence as we have it so far and not media hyperbole. Do you know how stupid you look believing media hyperbole?
It is because you don't believe everybody is entitled to rights that you ignore important evidence? The war mongers message wroked perfectly on you, you think everybody is a terrorist and that the few white people that reamin can somehow change this, f'n delusional.
Alain calls years of degradation and systematic torture "kid gloves" ,and then tells me to come down to earth. Just imagine Alain as a cop, everybody would have a knot on their head.
Where did you grow up Alain, surely not Canada with a perspective like you have on rights and natural law.
Posted by: Vegan | 2010-01-01 1:34:52 PM
How is what he did an affront to Canada: "The U.S. "government "manufactured" evidence against Omar Khadr when it changed a document two months after his arrest and blamed him for throwing a grenade during a firefight that killed a soldier, his lawyer said yesterday."
The key here is "his lawyer says".
Lawyers spin, that is what they do to win a case.
How is it that one sentence says the US government changed the documents, and the next says the commanding office changed them?
So which is it? This whole "proof" of yours is spin of the weakest sort.
Legal documents can be changed at any time as long as they are correctly annotated. Legally changing a document does not indicate subterfuge.
This information casts no doubts, contrary to your assertions.
How is what he did an affront to Canada: "Why is propaganda and misinformation so attractive to some?"
Why is it so attractive to you?
How is what he did an affront to Canada: "Everything we know about this family comes from unreliable sources, this should send of the first in a series of alarms if one is at all rational."
Complete and utter bullshit.
We know the father and his sons kept very bad company.
We know the father was killed in a firefight in Pakistan. It wasn't his first either, as he spent time in a Canadian hospital recuperating from wounds from other misadventures.
One son was killed in the same firefight that killed his father, and another one is paralysed from the waist down from yet another incident.
A Canadian documentary showed the female members of the family expounding radical and anti-western views.
This family has been under the microscope from virtually every intelligence agency, and has been the subject of interest from virtually every news agency in the world for at least a decade.
Mostly they are Canadians only by convenience. They have abused our hospitality, been the beneficiaries of our free medical care, and bleated for help from the Canadian government when their wayward ways got them into trouble.
Obviously then, you are lying here, as we do know an awful lot about this family.
How is what he did an affront to Canada: "If Khadr actually killed an invading soldier, on a battle field how is that a crime?"
He would be guilty of two things at least. Not wearing an identifiable uniform and blending into the civilian population for cover, and not being a national of the country where the conflict actually was. Under the rules of the Geneva Convention, this is grounds for summary execution.
Shot on the spot in other words.
How is what he did an affront to Canada: "Does he inspire fear in any of you?"
No, just loathing. He is the author of his own fate. 15 years is plenty old enough to know right from wrong.
Posted by: Ed Ellison | 2010-01-01 1:43:36 PM
Vegan: "He was not caught doing anything,..."
Oh sure, he just happened to be chasing his kitty cat into a fire fight? Listening to his ipod and didn't notice all the activity?
You are the one that is delusional.
Posted by: Ed Ellison | 2010-01-01 1:50:24 PM
Ed, we are wasting our time with a troll who ignores facts and reality and is driven by a dogmatism full of hate. He posts under various monikers but is the same confused person.
Posted by: Alain | 2010-01-01 1:53:32 PM
Vegan: "He was not caught doing anything,..."
Oh sure, he just happened to be chasing his kitty cat into a fire fight? Listening to his ipod and didn't notice all the activity?
You are the one that is delusional.
Posted by: Ed Ellison | 2010-01-01 1:50:24 PM
I gave reasons as to why you two are delusional, how about you be a man, and be kind enough to pose an argument which makes clear why I am delusional, head giving Ed, you religious goof.
Posted by: Vegan | 2010-01-01 1:58:59 PM
Ed, we are wasting our time with a troll who ignores facts and reality and is driven by a dogmatism full of hate. He posts under various monikers but is the same confused person.
Posted by: Alain | 2010-01-01 1:53:32 PM
Here is an example of how a fool reacts once confronted, like a deer in the headlights. How about you use your brain to formulate an argument instead of getting frustrated because of you lack of ability to. I gave you lots to work with if you truly knew anything, but your response makes clear you do not
Dogamtism is what you both use. I can substantiate that you have no proof of god and you cannot prove that a god or son of god ever existed with anything that would qualify as evidence, circumstantial or otherwise.
Don't relate dogmatism to me because unlike you I only use the truth and can support everything I write with that which is considered fact,even if i prove what you or anyone else could not possibly know.
head giver Ed called me a liitle cat and tried to portray me as someone not very mature by implying that my iphone makes me less intellegent than he.
I think it speaks volumes about a man who discounts the " I" anything. My handheld computer puts me on the same plateau as the most intellegent people on earth because of information sharing. The difference between me and you to OLD knuckle heads is the ability to adapt to a changing world free of information control.
I will continue to verbally challenge weak and dangerous thinking like you to numbskulls possess.
You are right to not challenge me,because you are not in the same league of understanding, and therefore will not be able to defend properly.
Posted by: Vegan | 2010-01-01 2:13:38 PM
Lawyers spin, that is what they do to win a case
Ed Brainwashed allison.
And you have never been to court if you dont think the prosecution tries to paint an inaccurate picture. it is hard to argue with someone who has very little understanding regarding court or life reality, and what he knows is what tv told him to know.
Again how do I argue with someone who only wants to believe the prosecution, like you do?
Posted by: Vegan | 2010-01-01 2:17:16 PM
Alain, you are too right about this one.
The headlights we are caught in seem to be awfully dim.
Posted by: Ed Ellison | 2010-01-01 2:40:05 PM
Ed what you wrote is all conjecture provided to you by MEDIA, you are a FOOL who knows either way what the truth is, that is why in this country we assume the man is innocent first and it is the role of the prosecution to prove guilt, not the defendant proving his innocence, like you would have old lacking compassion ed simpleton.
Many do what you accuse his family of doing, so what, it is their right to play the system as it is yours. Can't they hate Canada? Many that were born here do, you are such a hypocrite that you don't realize you are a leech to the system in some way aswell? Is that ok because you contribute nothing other than a small portion of tax which doesn't even pay your way in this country.
That subjective film which obviously worked on you was created and edited in such a way to so as tocreate what it did in you, hatred and fear of the Khadr family.
Shouldn't you be more angry with the film maker and the media who presented it for not presenting just the facts and allowing you to come to a conclusion on your own? Of course not because that would require you to turn your brain on for the purposes of sifting through the evidence, and a jackass like you hates to have to think, you would rather be told what to think, and here we are today, you a stupid jackass unable to sift through malarky in order to get at the truth.
When you talk of how he would be guilty of two things, it makes clear that you know nothing about jurisprudence, or your analogy would not sound like it was compiled from information gathered from law and order episodes.
No they don't inspire fear in me like you have been pre programmed to feel, I am not a coward like you. I bet your kids don't look much to you for guidance, because you are an imbusul, a clod, with insight into nothing other than what was realayed to you from untrustworthy sources, truly pathetic forsomeone who probably calls himself a thinking man.
Anyways you stupid religious retard don't choke and your fatty supper.
Posted by: Vegan | 2010-01-01 2:40:56 PM
Alain, you are too right about this one.
The headlights we are caught in seem to be awfully dim.
Posted by: Ed Ellison | 2010-01-01 2:40:05 PM
My opinoins are all my own, and your's come from TV, who's dim?
Posted by: Vegan | 2010-01-01 2:42:16 PM
And just to be the clear it is already established that documents were tampered with, and its not a trick to created doubt as ed the Nazi wants so badly to believe.
Posted by: Vegan | 2010-01-01 2:47:20 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr
"In February 2008, the Pentagon accidentally released documents that revealed that although Khadr was present in the house, there was no other evidence that he had thrown the grenade. In fact, military officials had originally reported that another of the surviving militants had thrown the grenade just before being killed, and later rewrote their report to implicate Khadr instead."
IF THIS WASN'T FACT JIMMY WALES AND WIKI WOULD REMOVE IT, ESPECIALLY IF THE US GOVERNMENT PRESSURED THEM FOR PRINTING WHAT IS IN NOW WAY THE TRUTH
"We know the father and his sons kept very bad company. " This makes him guilty of what exactly? Would it be the fallacy argument of "guilt by association" ?
"We know the father was killed in a firefight in Pakistan." How do you know his father was killed as you said in pakistan? Please provide evidence of this other than media conjecture or your claims are suspect.
Are there photo's somewhere or is it only from phantom testimony?
"It wasn't his first either, as he spent time in a Canadian hospital recuperating from wounds from other misadventures."
Miasadventures four wheeling, sledding, playing hockey, what is the conjecture this time?
"One son was killed in the same firefight that killed his father," A firefight in a contry in which they lived and the US invaded, i see it as self defense
"and another one is paralysed from the waist down from yet another incident." What do either of these incidents have to do with giving another man a fair hearing based on supportable evidence. many people have hells angels members in their family should they all be targeted and suspected of every implanted fear under the sun?
"A Canadian documentary showed the female members of the family expounding radical and anti-western views." A Canadian documentary, edited in a way so as to demonize, they should sue for depicting them in a less than flattering way which makes them the object of sbjectivism. truly the yewllowest of journalism.
"This family has been under the microscope from virtually every intelligence agency, and has been the subject of interest from virtually every news agency in the world for at least a decade." According to who? Agencies that have no real terrorists to watch so they create them in order to justify all the spending heightened awareness costs? You truly are a stooge ed, and there is no way you could be management or a leader of anything that requires thinking, no f'n way.
"Mostly they are Canadians only by convenience."
Another claim by Ed which without evidence of pure fallacy.
"They have abused our hospitality, been the beneficiaries of our free medical care, and bleated for help from the Canadian government when their wayward ways got them into trouble. More nonsensical fallacy by someone swinging wildly.
"Obviously then, you are lying here, as we do know an awful lot about this family."
How am I lying I am only pointing out that in which you could in no way know, because evidence has never presented itself in a manner that makes any part of this story believable from a stand point of judicial fairness.
How is what he did an affront to Canada: "If Khadr actually killed an invading soldier, on a battle field how is that a crime?"
"He would be guilty of two things at least. Not wearing an identifiable uniform and blending into the civilian population for cover, and not being a national of the country where the conflict actually was." More fallacy, too bad for you I am stupid so bullshit like you profess cannot get by me.
According to the US government no congressional declaration of war was ever issued for Pakistan or afghanistan, so America is in viloation of invasion. In this circumstance, uniforms are not required, especially for the khdar family who lived there, regardless of what business the father was involved in. its not a crime to be shot by a slimey invasion force.
"Under the rules of the Geneva Convention, this is grounds for summary execution."
What do you know about any convention you useless bugger, you write as if you know something, and I think I have made it clear you know almost nothing which resembles the truth or would qualify as accurate information, regarding anything.
How is what he did an affront to Canada: "Does he inspire fear in any of you?"
No, just loathing. He is the author of his own fate. 15 years is plenty old enough to know right from wrong.
Your CHRISTIAN loathing is exactly what I would expect from a hypocrite. not only is this Christian not willing to forgive or turn the other cheek, he wants even more pain inflicted ontop of the seven years khdar has received, all this hatred from a man that claims to be a christian, is there any wonder I hate christianity and its deluted messangers so f'n much?
Ed you truly are a stupid idiot, but I guess that is your right.
Posted by: Vegan | 2010-01-01 3:34:28 PM
"Maybe they can stage another false flag event like 911. Thats right, it was staged to draw the country into war, your government kill 3000+ of its own citizens to get into the war. Why would you be surprised by this?"
Oh no, Trutherism. Well your arguments are shot.
"It has happened many times in this century alone."
Name one. Gleiwitz comes to mind, where the Nazis staged an attack by Polish troops on a border outpost. That the Nazis had 1.25m troops ready to invade Poland the next day ought to have disproven their claim to be the victim. Mainila, on the Soviet-Finnish border too. The Mukden Incident by the Japanese against the Chinese as well. Actual US examples, as opposed to plans, are rare and never against their own citizens. To call 9/11 a 'false flag' is ridiculous in every possible way unless one wanted to harm their own cause.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-01-01 3:42:19 PM
Vegan..I think I hear your mommy calling you upstairs for supper now.
Do be a good chap and turn out the lights when you go, will you?
Posted by: Ed Ellison | 2010-01-01 3:43:35 PM
Vegan..I think I hear your mommy calling you upstairs for supper now.
Do be a good chap and turn out the lights when you go, will you?
Posted by: Ed Ellison | 2010-01-01 3:43:35 PM
Thank you for a response which makes clear just how mentally superior I am to you.
If anybody calls me for supper it is my wife,no boy could possess my depth which is not to say that I am deep.
I accept your apology, but I want you to admit you were wrong, not for me but for your own well being, this is the only way you will learn not to beleive everything you hear.
Posted by: Vegan | 2010-01-01 3:58:44 PM
"To call 9/11 a 'false flag' is ridiculous in every possible way unless one wanted to harm their own cause."
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-01-01 3:42:19 PM
Who is damaging to whose cause Zebulon denial?
Why does questioning authority frighten you?
Are you saying regarding 9-11 and so called international terrorism, everything adds up to the same conclusion for you?
Doesn't all the media and government induced hyperbole regarding al quaeda seem to be at odds with reality, ie: the level of threat they really pose and we have experienced at their hands? What have they actually accomplished in the past 9 years, if they exist they way we are made to believe they do? Have you seen how very few misfits have attempted and failed at terrorism on their behalf, and I realize some don't fail? They are not part of an international paramilitary they appear to be misfits, raised where they act out on their new found ideals. From what we have experienced, could the same types pull off 911, I think it is highly unlikely, so maybe because of the scope of 911, in regards to national safety, discounting possiblities shouldn't be done in haste.
Have you honestly weighed all the evidence provided us or have you discounted with out research that which you do not want to hear?
Thank goodness for a web 2.0 world which makes misinformation a thing of the past more so each and every day.
Posted by: Vegan Chomsky | 2010-01-01 4:32:08 PM
Noam Chomsky - Illegitimate Authority
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBwZs3Knibg&NR=1
Posted by: Vegan Chomsky | 2010-01-01 5:07:34 PM
Oh boy someone quoting Chomsky. His views are of limited value, being largely about conspiracy theories. The man wrote the introduction to a book denying the Holocaust.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2010-01-01 5:10:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoDqDvbgeXM&feature=related
Noam Chomsky on 911 conspiracy supporting Zeb, ed and Shmeds theories. ........ I am still on the fence, even though I could not be more facinated in listeing to his perspective on just about anything.
Posted by: Vegan Lobo | 2010-01-01 5:28:17 PM
Couldn't hurt you Zeb to be a little more philosophical, what do you say now about Chomsky seeing that in 911 you see I-to-I?
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