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Tuesday, July 14, 2009

'Mosaic' theory has its flaws

I find it interesting that the overall opinion of multiculturalism changes so sharply once one crosses the border from Canada to the United States. In Canada, it is publicly taught that as a country we are a mosaic: a society that encourages the continuation of immigrants' cultures and values instead of accepting and adopting ours. It's taught in a rather objective tone that this is a "good" thing, and that the melting pot of the U.S. is out-dated and "bad". There, immigrants are free to chose any lifestyle they wish thanks to the first amendment, but are encouraged to adopt the American culture in order to work and live in the new country more smoothly.

Oppositely, Canada accommodates immigrants both socially and with taxpayer money. It appears to me that a good chunk of the American population recognizes they have a unique culture that's enjoyable and able to be proud of explicitly.

This idea is normal throughout most of the world, except for countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the U.K. where there's been a culture vacuum going on for a while. Now, I hate to bash my own country, but Canada's 'Mosaic' policy seems to me like a blank canvas of culture free to be drawn upon by those who aren't even Canadian. In my experience Canadians don't have a strong sense of national culture and tend to be apathetic to the whole 'culture war' debate. Ìt happens to be that those drawing upon the canvas (the immigrants) have higher fertility rates than Canadian raised citizens.

With such an admittance to not having a coherent national culture, it's not a long shot to consider the idea of American culture outlasting Canadian culture. Some may think that's obvious due to the fact that Americans vastly outnumber Canadians, but let's assume for this discussion that both countries have the same population and the same fertility rate (Canada has a much lower rate). Now it's easier to see that even with these things being equal, a lazy immigrant is more likely to move to a country that embraces diversity for the sake of diversity than one that embraces it's a culture of hard work ethic. A productive immigrant would most likely do the opposite and adopt the culture that has made America such a place of opportunity and wealth.

The same culture more or less exists north of the border as well, but the problem is that Canada as a whole has a mindset of cultural "self-defeat" as quoted by Stephen Harper. I believe he was only talking about the Maritimes (which I am a citizen of), but then again it is the only world I'm accustomed to. I used to dislike Harper for that quote, but as I've grown up and see things more clearly, I have to admit he's right.

The only place I can really call exception to that is Alberta, and I've never even been there. Interestingly enough, Alberta is the conservative centre of the country. In the States, they have the South. Coincidentally, the South is pretty much the only part of the U.S. that still has retained some of it's culture and traditions. The blue states, particularly around the East and West coast are about as secular as Canada. Secular nations are known to have the lowest of the low fertility rates, and as the U.K. has shown us, an aging population being propped up by immigrants isn't going to be great anymore; mass immigration problems and the decline in the economy are proof of this.

The fact that Canada loves multiculturalism and tolerance also means that any clash of culture cannot be publicly denounced - that would contradict the whole idea of Canada being such a loving country! As icing on the cake, Section 13 of our Human Rights Commission allows anyone that's offended by practically anything to file a complaint. To "denounce" other cultures by wanting to conserve one's culture in such a country as ours is a perfect way to receive that HRC complaint.

This spiraling problem prevents any national culture to grow and flourish, and to be proud of the Canadian/American way of life is now considered racist by the ultra-progressives. Looking long term, for one that enjoys the traditional way of Canadian life, it saddens me to know that one day it will cease to exist while other cultures continue and evolve. I'm all for healthy immigration (immigrants as assets rather than liabilities), but the crises in the U.K. with Muslims and the one in the U.S. with Mexicans cripple aspects of society and gouges taxpayers trying to fix the mess. All the money in the world can be thrown at fixing, but only through serious reform can we stem the problem in the long-term. Thankfully Canada doesn't have a particular immigration problem like the U.K. and the States, although it's probably out of luck. America borders Mexico and Europe is borders most of the muslim mjaority nations, not to mention the lavish benefits of the Euro-welfare state. Let's not take for granted that we don't have those deep problems.

Writer Mark Steyn goes into deep detail surrounding demographics, fertility rates, and other interesting facts in his book "America Alone". I highly recommend the book to those interested in these subjects; it's hard not to sound like the man himself, as Steyn's book outlines many of the core concerns of social conservatives and relates those concerns to current issues. What makes these issues controversal is the fact that not many people are speaking out against them - in Canada it's practically literary suicide. Nevertheless, the right-of-centre blogosphere is not afraid. Many writers including Ezra Levant and Blazing Cat Fur are speaking out and discussing the same issues with equal fury.

[Cross-posted at The Right Coast]

Posted by Dane Richard on July 14, 2009 in Canadian Conservative Politics | Permalink


One would like to think that people who come to Canada do so to become part of a productive and diverse community. That simply isn't so. They come for the welfare...and get it. This is done at the expense of the existing working Canadian who has no hope of a planned retirement anymore.
The same Canadian is overtaxed, over regulated, attacked at every turn by our "legal" system and our "tax" system for any attempt at being entrepenurial....
And if you complain you're labeled a racist.
Pathetic. So much for "Gloriuos and Free" EH?

Posted by: The original JC | 2009-07-14 6:54:23 AM

"In my experience Canadians don't have a strong sense of national culture ".

Our culture is pretty much defined by Universal Health Care — see how Canadians feel overall when you critique that 'ideal'. And the CBC.

Posted by: Doug Ransom | 2009-07-14 7:17:23 AM

Ignatieff has alot of explaining to do!

Posted by: NovaDog | 2009-07-14 7:34:30 AM

Culture should be treated as Religion and kept separate from the State. Yet in Canada, Culture is propped up using taxpayer money until the last surviving practitioner is gone. This model is horribly wrong and has wasted billions of taxpayer dollars since the inception of the MultiCultural Act of 1985.

Here's a link for a book by Neil Bissoondath

Posted by: Gaberial | 2009-07-14 8:36:15 AM

@ JC //They come for the welfare...and get it. //

That may be true for many folks, but I personally know many folks who are immigrants from India and Eritrea that came here to have a better life and build their own wealth, not weeze off the state.

The welfare state should be gone.

Posted by: Scott Carnegie | 2009-07-14 9:08:19 AM

"Multiculturalism" has led to the ghettoization of racial and ethnic minorities. While White Canada lives in privilege and wealth, non-whites live in squalor and deprivation, especially in Toronto the most racist city in Canada. This must be immediately remedied.

Moreover, the CBC is a bastion of white elitism and privilege. It too must be disposed of. Only private media can truly represent the broadest range of views.

All the monies currently spent on the CBC and multiculturalism must be immediately redirected towards the struggling health care system. Too many people must go to the US for services that ought to be there. It is an atrocity that certain privileged groups receive lavish funding while that critical element goes without. Shame on the Liebral/NDP/Green Party for allowing this to occur.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-07-14 9:16:50 AM

"Multiculturalism" has led to the ghettoization of racial and ethnic minorities. While White Canada lives in privilege and wealth, non-whites live in squalor and deprivation, especially in Toronto the most racist city in Canada. This must be immediately remedied.
Posted by: Zebulon Punk | 2009-07-14 9:16:50 AM

If your brotha's and sista's don't like it here there's an easy solution. They can go back to their island paradises. Nobody is forcing them to stay here.

Posted by: The Stig | 2009-07-14 9:33:10 AM

Typical racist solution. They're there, there are not white, and they're not going anywhere. Get used to it. Change your ways to accommodate them or face the consequences.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-07-14 9:46:05 AM

Change your ways to accommodate them....
Posted by: Zebulon Punk | 2009-07-14 9:46:05 AM

As always Da Punk is looking for special privileges for his people. If they don't like it they can leave. And I ain't changing my ways to accommodate any immigrant group.

Posted by: The Stig | 2009-07-14 11:10:57 AM

"Alberta is the conservative centre of the country."

I don't think so.

Currently that "conservative" bent is more NDP than anything resembling "conservative" in outlook.

Special Ed's spending the inheritance and making it more difficult to stay employed as a private sector employee, than a government employee in this province. Hardly what I'd call "conservative". By the way, our taxes WIll go up here in Alberta, to hear Ed's take on that you'd have to believe Mr. McGuinty's same pronoucement of "no new taxes". When I hear those words coming from a politician I know for sure that the opposite becomes true.

Posted by: po'd in AB | 2009-07-14 11:19:23 AM

While White Canada lives in privilege and wealth, non-whites live in squalor and deprivation, especially in Toronto the most racist city in Canada. This must be immediately remedied
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-07-14 9:16:50 AM

When everyone works just as hard, it will be remedied. Government isn't the solution, as hard as that is to believe...

Posted by: The original JC | 2009-07-14 11:30:16 AM

I wonder how many of the posters on this thread recall a British MP by the name of Enoch Powell?
Very controversial at the time (1968), he foretold exactly what was to befall Britain: lowering of educational standards, loss of civility, race riots, and much more. What was controversial, was that he was critical of non-participatory immigration, by peoples of different cultures. In other words, he saw what the "mosaic" and non- assimilation would do to his country.
40 years on, one would have thought it would widely acknowledged that this was a failed social experiment, but here in Canada, we are merely 20 years behind the times.

Posted by: pilgrim | 2009-07-14 12:59:41 PM

The welfare state should be gone.

Posted by: Scott Carnegie | 2009-07-14 9:08:19 AM

Agreed. And yes I'm guilty of stereotyping.
I've met a few who told me straight up why they were here. They were taught in the old country how to manipulate the system ... here.

Posted by: The original JC | 2009-07-14 4:54:05 PM

@ JC
//They were taught in the old country how to manipulate the system ... here//

I don't doubt that is the case, it's too bad that there are honest folks who come here to make a better life that are lumped in with welfare queens.

Posted by: Scott Carnegie | 2009-07-14 6:00:27 PM

@Zebulon Pike

"While White Canada lives in privilege and wealth"

Could you elaborate just a litlle for this apparent wealthly and privileged "white" guy?

Posted by: ExGrunt | 2009-07-14 9:06:03 PM

If you have to ask, then you won't understand.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-07-14 10:05:08 PM

I don't know how much ExGrunt has but he probably worked hard for it. To me, that means he understands far better than you do.

Posted by: DML | 2009-07-14 11:39:34 PM

I can guarantee that he didn't work nearly as hard as a non-white did for far less. Ontario whites are practically a leisure class, more interested in their Muskoka cottages than in any form of reform. They are spoiled rotten children and should be treated as such.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-07-14 11:56:37 PM

@ DML - Yes this "white" guy worked very hard to get to where he is and have what I do.

@Zebulon Pike - Go back to what ever cave you crawled out from. Save the patronizing BS for people like yourself. Your probably "white" and think you should apologize for that. If your not then your just an AZZ hole and they come in every colour.

Posted by: ExGrunt | 2009-07-15 7:52:34 AM

what culture are the rednecks from?

Posted by: Patiently | 2009-07-15 9:16:28 AM

what culture are the rednecks from?

Posted by: Patiently | 2009-07-15 9:16:28 AM

White, of course. We're the only ones who sunburn.

We've reached a great milestone in this country. A "refugee" now receives more money on welfare, than a retired Canadian who's worked 40 years can collect in pensions.

My sons are struggling with the slowdown in Alberta, but the Africans are still driving Acuras and BMWs, and not even looking for jobs. They don't have to pay rent, either. How would a landlord kick them out? It would take 3 months to evict them, and they'll just move next door. If you refuse them, you're a racist.

I think it's time to say enough is enough. If the feds insist on allowing all these welfare tourists into Canada, then let them all stay in Toronto, or Ottawa. Better yet, ship about a million to Montreal. Let's get it over with. Get the war started, instead of killing the country with the death of a thousand cuts.

Posted by: dp | 2009-07-15 9:40:08 AM

The real racists are those white people living in Toronto and its suburbs. There, whiteness means privilege and wealth. The immigrants actually do the work. Ontario now resembles Apartheid South Africa. Time for that to end.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-07-15 9:53:33 AM

"The immigrants actually do the work."

"Time for that to end."

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-07-15 9:53:33 AM

Pretty well says it all.

Posted by: dp | 2009-07-15 10:08:56 AM

No dp, it's time for rich white people to start sharing the burdens instead of exploiting them.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-07-15 10:11:24 AM

That's called communism, zeb. It hasn't been very successful, up 'til now. If that's what they were expecting when they came here, they came to the wrong country. It's time to send them home.

Posted by: dp | 2009-07-15 10:27:46 AM

dp: then who will do your work?

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-07-15 11:04:31 AM

@Zebulon Pike - What a racist puke you are.

I would perhaps think about relocating :)

Canada filled with "white" people who to hear the BS from your mouth have never worked for anything.

What a jerk off you are :)

My whole family immigrated to Canada with nothing. They got a slap on the ass, a hand shake and 1 can of sardines - go forth and omg - work.

I'll have to tell them that there immigrants - just the wrong colour. I'm sure the 3 jobs each they worked, as they went to school, as babka took car of the us.

I'd like to spit in your face.

Posted by: ExGrunt | 2009-07-15 11:20:50 AM

I've been working for 35 years, and I've never seen a single African immigrant, on a single worksite. In fact, I've never seen any non-white immigrant on an oilpatch jobsite. What makes you think immigrants do all the work? The only immigrants I see, are doing the easy jobs. That's why they're earning less pay.

One exception I'm aware of, is African workers in the Brooks packing plant, but these are temporary workers, not refugees. They arrive here, knowing they have a job to do.

Posted by: dp | 2009-07-15 11:26:22 AM

The only immigrants I see, are doing the easy jobs.
Posted by: dp | 2009-07-15 11:26:22 AM

It's hard working bro's like this that Da Punk figures should be making 100K a year.


Posted by: The Stig | 2009-07-15 11:42:17 AM

Exgrunt- My girlfriend came from China, in 1980, with one suitcase, and no handshake. She's every bit as angry about the attitude of new immigrants as I am. Her put two sons through university, and had to do everything on her own, after her husband passed away. She's still working, even though she could probably stay home. She's never taken one penny of social assistance, nor has anyone in her family.

I grew up around African-Americans, who've been here for generations. They work hard, and have had to struggle for everything they have. They have good reason to feel like second class citizens. The African immigrants think they can put themselves in the same category as these citizens, but they haven't earned the right.

I lied about never seeing an African immigrant on a worksite. I forgot all about Shemroy. He came here, via Guyana. We worked together when I first started running a crew, in 1980. He was the laziest, most arrogant, dumbest, and least reliable person I've ever worked with. I should have fired him the first week, but I knew I'd be accused of racism. I finally asked for a new assistant, and Shemroy skated almost another year with a different crew.

I'll say this, he was entertaining. Walking into a coffee shop with him, in Provost, or Caroline, was quite interesting. You could hear a pin drop. Whenever we ran into any natives, he'd go on a 3 day drunk. Natives are quite fascinated by black people.

Posted by: dp | 2009-07-15 11:56:34 AM

stig- the link didn't work.

Posted by: dp | 2009-07-15 12:01:04 PM

It appears that racial quotas will be necessary for workplaces and schools to give non-whites an even chance. If some white people lose out, TOO BAD.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-07-15 2:16:00 PM

Yes will need more of you to work while we enjoy our cottages.

Posted by: ExGrunt | 2009-07-15 3:36:50 PM

Ontario's pattern of race and labor relations far too closely resembles sharecropping than ought to be allowed today. I recommend land redistribution and greater wealth transfer from rich white people (which is an oxymoron since ALL white Ontarians are rich and therefore are liable to have their ill-gotten gains taken back.)

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-07-15 4:25:47 PM

Shut it and get back to work :)

Posted by: ExGrunt | 2009-07-15 4:59:09 PM

I can't believe I sat here, in Texas, and read all that crap. I hope this Zebulon guy was just trying to get your goats, or trying to say all leftwing whites are lazy and rich?

I think, if there is another conflagration, we must make a note that those who live off the government teat do not get a vote.

Or something like that.

Posted by: GeronL | 2009-07-15 5:03:31 PM

Geron, Zeb is (I Believe) a black man who feels that while he can hurl racist slurs around, only white people are racist. Occasionally he'll come out with a pearl of wisdom (and its a genuine surprise)...but mostly he is openly hateful and it shows.
And for a man apparently living in Alabama, oddly he drags a genuine hatred of all things related to Toronto with him through life.
I hope and pray that he and anyone else so wrapped in misery can eventually overcome this hatred and lead a normal existence.

We're all just flesh and blood after all...

Posted by: The original JC | 2009-07-15 5:42:12 PM

Zebulon needs a 12-step program?

Posted by: GeronL | 2009-07-15 5:55:49 PM

lol...worked for me! ;-)

Posted by: The original JC | 2009-07-15 6:07:15 PM

For the record, I am white. I am also dedicated to civil and human rights. Since Ontario is a thoroughly unreconstructed race-based regime, it is a legitimate target for criticism. Can I help it if I like my work?

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-07-15 6:22:52 PM

Have you been to Australia? Australia has a culture! There are some multicultural leftist flakes but they are the minority. We settled a continent. We are a land of freedom and mateship. We haven't embraced pseudo-socialism like Canada. Even the Labour Party has promoted some privatization. I would bet that our top three parties(National, Liberals, and Labour) are probably to the right of your Conservative Party. Our country is a land of economic opportunity. Our unemployment rate is under 6% and won't go as high as yours. This is because of the leadership of Howard and even a leftist like Labour PM Hawke getting some things right. In fact, it looks like plans for a system for cap and trade are about to fall apart under a Labour government. Over a third of our students attend private schools or homeschool. In our country, school choice actually exists. You want to talk about culture? Come see an ANZAC day celebration and then say there is no Australian culture. Australians have a short but vibrant history. Our troops have performed brillantly in such places as South Africa, Europe, North Africa, the Pacific, Korea, Vietnam, East Timor, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Our sportsmen are known worldwide. Our guys perform pretty well in the Olympics. A disproportinate number of successful actors and directors have come from Australia. In our schools, students actually learn about Australian history. We have a real film industry! Rent the movies "Breaker Morant", Kokoda", "Strange Planet" or "Australia"! We don't simply operate as a cheap standin for American movie sites. We mostly believe in God but it is not really shoved down anyones throats. We have the story of Ned Kelly and the poem about "The Man from Snowy River". We have prayer in our parliment, religion classes in schools, public funding of religious schools, and ministers involved in school counseling. Yet, we are a recognized secular country and don't have half the culture war stuff that you do. This is probably also due to the fact that we actually expect immigrants to accept Australian values. We don't let them impose their views on us. Immigrants are welcome to Australia but are expected to learn the national language English. You are expected to swear loyalty to Australia. In addition, we don't open the barn door and let every in. We set reasonable limits and try to adhere to them.

Posted by: Jack | 2009-07-15 8:17:11 PM

Jack- "Breaker Morant" was a classic. So was "Gallipoli". I'd like to visit Australia, but probably never will.

Lots of Canadians wish our politicians were as level headed as yours.

Too bad you put your steering wheels on the wrong side, though.

Posted by: dp | 2009-07-15 8:51:56 PM

"For the record, I am white. I am also dedicated to civil and human rights. Since Ontario is a thoroughly unreconstructed race-based regime, it is a legitimate target for criticism. Can I help it if I like my work?

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-07-15 6:22:52 PM"

LMAO!!!!! I called it from the start, dam I'm good.

Yes I'm sure your dedicated to to civil and human rights. Right here in Canada eh!!! Ever been overseas? Spent anytime in countries where very real violations happen every day? I'll bet not, I have.

Your probably some snot nose kid, who still lives off mom and dad - really in the end I could care less.

Your an idiot who's drank so much lefty kool aid it's affected your thought process.

If there is god I thank him everyday - That people like you represent such a small amount of Canada.

I'll bet you apologize to all your right "coloured" friends for being white.

Posted by: ExGrunt | 2009-07-15 9:05:04 PM

ExGrunt: "Act locally, think globally." Ontario's bigotry has global implications. Your own opinions are proof of that. You think I'm a race traitor. Indeed, you are the traitor to the human race.

Hopefully Ontario can be coerced into improving its race relations through embarrassment like Apartheid South Africa. Economic sanctions would help too. Grassroots organizing like SNCC could help people to stand up for themselves against white oppression. Dr. King lived and died trying to do that.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-07-15 9:12:06 PM

No I don't think your a traitor of any kind.

Like my grandfather and his father and most of my family. I spent the better part of life serving this country. Only to come home and listen to complete twits like your self.

I mean listen to you - your comparing Ontario to apartheid South Africa and let me bet - You have actually never been - right?

Only a complete idiot would even attempt to make that kind of comparison. I'll bet you went to York?

Posted by: ExGrunt | 2009-07-15 9:19:26 PM

"Come see an ANZAC day celebration and then say there is no Australian culture"

Is this the night you get all drunk, jump into your jeeps and pickups to go shoot natives and kangaroos?

Posted by: Marc | 2009-07-16 12:29:19 AM

Hey, Ontario has culture... didn't um... Nicole deBoer come from there. She is a very beautiful actress, btw. For a while I was calling Canadian women "Candian". *ahem* but I digress.

Posted by: GeronL | 2009-07-16 4:39:43 AM

Ontario has no culture, never has had any, and never will have any. Its bigotry drains any and all forms of creativity.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-07-16 6:55:35 AM

"Ontario has no culture, never has had any, and never will have any. Its bigotry drains any and all forms of creativity.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-07-16 6:55:35 AM"

Look at you trying to be all clever. Almost like you had some form of culture ;)

Posted by: ExGrunt | 2009-07-16 9:53:25 PM

Marc, is Crocodile Dundee the extent of your knowledge of Australia? I know that we don't have the fancy culture of freeloading Quebec. We actually believe in paying our own way. In comparison to Quebec, which likes to use the threat of secession to suck money out of anglo Canada(and can't accept the fact that French Canada was permanently defeated over 200 years ago). ANZAC day is about honoring those who have fought for Australia. Its date is linked to Gallipoli. However, it has come to symbolize all who have sacrificed for Australia. It also recognizes both how far we have come and how Australia has triumphed against the odds. We are a prosperous nation that has settled a continent. Australian soldiers have fought for freedom on battlefields around the world. In World War 2, we fought off(in New Guinea) probable Japanese invasion plans. Has Canada's security been so threatened since its independence? While not perfect, we have attempted to overcome the racial problems of our pre-1967 history(aborigines recognized as citizens). We live on the driest continent on the planet. Yet, our farms send food supplies to all corners of the world. We are a major mineral exporter. We have a rising wine industry. Our population has tripled in just the last 60 years. Yet, we have successfully integrated these people into the Australian culture. The story of Australia is one of success against the odds! Can Quebec say the same?

Posted by: Jack | 2009-07-16 10:11:21 PM

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