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Thursday, July 30, 2009

"Go Home Stupid"

"Go Home Stupid"; these words were uttered to me today as I was walking through Portage Place Mall in downtown Winnipeg on my way home after work. I didn't know the man that said these words to me, I don't think I've talked to him before, but he knew me. You see, by looking at my skin and facial features, many people would assume that I am descended from Western Europeans, and those people would be right; my ancestors were from Scotland, Germany and France, and I most identify with my Scottish heritage.

I'm going to speculate and assume that these words were said to me for 3 reasons;

  1. I look white
  2. I was wearing a shirt that said "Made in Canada"
  3. The man who said it was aboriginal

It makes me wonder, where was this man born? Likely in Manitoba Canada, just as I was. We may be from different towns, but likely the same province. Perhaps he doesn't recognize Manitoba or even Canada as legitimate concepts; OK, then I will point out that I was born on the same geographical land mass as he was. So, when he tells me to go home, where do I go? Aren't I already home? Aren't we from the same land?

I am being somewhat coy here, because I know what he meant by that statement. He saw my "Made in Canada" shirt, saw that I am Caucasian, and decided to put me in my place as a decedent of Europeans by telling me to "go home", or back to the land of my ancestors.

By doing this, he put me into the collective of "white man"; the oppressor of his people, the invader of his land. Of course, I didn't oppress him, I didn't invade his land, some Europeans hundreds of years ago oppressed his ancestors, I had nothing to do with it. In fact, my ancestors had nothing to do with it either; my great-grandparents came to Canada in the early 1900's and moved to Manitoba farms. And even if my ancestors were early Canadians that oppressed the aboriginals, that doesn't mean I am personally accountable for their actions. How can I be? They took place before I was born!

That is part of the problem with collectivism, it put people into groups without taking into account their individual natures; both many aboriginal and non-aboriginal people are guilty of doing this. It assumes incorrect facts which lead to faulty conclusions. This person didn't take into account that I have worked for an Aboriginal organization for nearly a decade, that I value and respect much of Aboriginal culture, that I am a supporter of Aboriginal sovereignty and denounce the Canadian government for the harm they have done to the Aboriginal people; none of that mattered to him because in his eyes I am a colonist.

Another fallacy of this collectivism is assuming that since one race of people occupied a land before another race of people that the later race of people don't have a "right" to be there. When you start seeing people as individuals then you can see that we have rights because we are people, not because we belong to a particular race.

In fact, by this mans own logic, he should be going home to Mongolia, where today's first nations people originate from, because before they came over there was another race of people inhabiting North America, the Clovis people. The human race emerged from East Africa about 200,000 years ago, so perhaps we should all move back there if we are to "go home".

Of course, that is not something I would advocate, we can all co-exist peacefully here, and that would be much easier to achieve if we would quit looking at people in the collective, as white or aboriginal, and just see individual people, each with unique thoughts, desires and histories.

Racist comments may be deleted.

Posted by Freedom Manitoba on July 30, 2009 in Aboriginal Issues | Permalink

Comments

The insulting comment from one member of a group and it gets generalised into that group against another group. I agree that collectivism is not good, but I do not see it being the cause of the insult. The fellow had a chip on his shoulder, but we have all kinds with a chip on their shoulder. If in doubt, take a look at the HR complaints.

In the real sense it is non sense to talk of indigenous people, since there is not a single people or group which has originated and lived on the same land from the beginning. We are all migrants of one kind or another. That groups of people were living in North American when the first Europeans arrived is fact and that more often than not they were not treated fairly is also fact. The past cannot be changed nor can everyone here to-day be held accountable for past wrongs to those who are long dead. What about to-day? Is there still racism and prejudice? Of course there is with certain members of every group, for that is a tendency of human nature. There is also a lot of frustration among many Native groups due to their situation, which has been caused by keeping them dependent on government. Dependency always destroys self-respect, initiative and creativity for any group.

I appreciate Kamao's comments and agree with them.

Posted by: Alain | 2009-07-31 4:57:26 PM


@Shane""When I see anger I see people speaking from a guilty conscience."

Look harder. You may in fact see people angered at having been slandered."

Words from a slanderer

@Shane""So from all this you sit back and enjoy this stolen watch and feel guilty and angry when you look at the descendants of the person who got the watch stolen..."

We don't feel guilty. We do, however, feel a little disgusted when we see so many of your people looking bedraggled, unkempt, and living with the dregs of society. Famous role models for your culture are almost unknown, except a few successful artisans and businessmen. That's not Whitey's fault. Your ancestors would weep indeed if they could see you now."

Spoken like a true generalist.

@Shane""I am sorry but we Indians ain't going away so you don't have to feel guilty and angry, we are here to stay."

As are we. We outnumber you 25 to 1. And we are running out of patience."

Sounds like shane wants to start a war

@Shane""Why don't you all petition your gov't to be fair and just with the Indian people, give us a portion of our resources, just a small share our fair share, no need for welfare or for us to go ask for assistance from your gov't."

I have a better idea: Why don't you let go of the past and integrate with the rest of society? Other immigrants from all lands fled pitiable conditions, and came here and prospered by integrating with mainstream society. The process wasn't smooth but they got there, in time. There is no reason your people can't do the same. But you won't. You find it more rewarding to hate us, and stay poor."

There you go again shane, putting words in other people's mouths.

Posted by: Doug Gilchrist | 2009-07-31 5:13:48 PM


"Words from a slanderer...Spoken like a true generalist...Sounds like shane wants to start a war...There you go again shane, putting words in other people's mouths."

That's an impressive contribution to the thread Doug. Just kidding, you're adding little to the thread other than biting Shane's ankles. Add something of value or GTFO. Be *significantly* better.

Oh, and if you're just going to spew white guilt political correctness, save it, we're not exactly running short of that pap here.

Posted by: 742421465 | 2009-07-31 5:40:16 PM


"I don't care what you believe. It happened."

You weren't there, so you don't know. The same is likely true of the guys you went with. In any case you have only one side of the story, and it is foolhardy to draw firm conclusions from that.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2009-07-31 6:20:06 PM


"Words from a slanderer."

A statement has to be false for it to be slander. And weren't you the one who stated that I was whacking off in front of my computer when I wrote something?

"Spoken like a true generalist."

Trends analysis is important in creating policy. You can't just take one or two samples and extrapolate the rest. Thought you were an anthropologist, cum laude troller.

"Sounds like shane wants to start a war."

Sounds more like Shane wants to enforce the law...against everyone.

"There you go again shane, putting words in other people's mouths."

Said the man who puts cocks in other people's hands.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2009-07-31 6:24:39 PM


Too bad some cannot rise above personal attacks and a constant hate-on for others instead of presenting arguments and addressing the topic.

Posted by: Alain | 2009-07-31 6:27:28 PM


You weren't there, so you don't know. The same is likely true of the guys you went with. In any case you have only one side of the story, and it is foolhardy to draw firm conclusions from that.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2009-07-31 6:20:06 PM

Actually we were looking at the relatives of the the people I was riding with. And you are such a complete asshole I can't even begin to describe it.

Posted by: The original JC | 2009-07-31 10:33:31 PM


A good friend of mine grew up on a reserve in Lillooet, BC, in the 50s. He went to a residential school in Vancouver. I was invited to his son's wedding, and met quite a few of his relatives.

He introduced me to one of his relatives, as his "best friend". I was flattered, and asked if he really considered me his best friend. He smiled, and replied, "you're my best white friend".

There's just no way to totally eliminate cultural divides. The best we can hope for is to become comfortable with our differences.

Posted by: dp | 2009-08-01 12:31:05 AM


You tell lies. Your people did not take care of us when we arrived, you enslaved us when you could, you tortured, you raped, you stole, you massacred, you murdered.


Your people had no written language, few technologies - that's why you were sent to residential schools, so you could get up to speed with the rest of the world.



In the mindset of Political Correctness this, bringing forth civilization, is the biggest crime of them all.

Posted by: GeronL | 2009-08-01 1:30:46 AM


"Actually we were looking at the relatives of the the people I was riding with. And you are such a complete asshole I can't even begin to describe it."

A statement that does nothing to answer the questions of:

1. Were YOU there?
2. Were THEY there, and are they old enough to remember fully?
3. Do you have both sides of the story?

When a usually unflappable guy gets testy, JC, that means it's getting personal for him. Which means, of course, he's not being unbiased. Call me an asshole for pointing that out if you like. You know it's true.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2009-08-01 8:03:46 AM


dp, the only way to eliminate cultural divides is to eliminate culture altogether. Fortunately for those who fret over such divides, state policies of multiculturalism and the human rights tribunals are accomplishing just that.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2009-08-01 8:05:48 AM


"Finally, something we can all agree on."

TrueWest, you'll get sunburn if you stay out from under Jennifer Lynch's desk too long.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2009-08-01 12:57:16 PM


Please keep it civil people, there is no reason to turn to personal attacks and rudeness, that doesn't advance the conversation.

Cultural divide isn't necessary if people can learn to respect the other persons right to have that culture, even if you don't like what they do. I associate with many people of various backgrounds and there is no assumed persecution.

People are free to define themselves how they want. The problem comes when you assume:

1. joe is a thief
2. joe is culture A
3. culture A are thieves

That is why collectivism often turns out to be incorrect, it is an illogical path in reasoning.

Posted by: Scott Carnegie | 2009-08-01 4:18:57 PM


Indian wars? Multiculturalism? Drunken indians attacked my wife not long ago. Remember the Northwest Rebellion? Old, dead Gabriel Dumont has a descendent who ran recently in the Quebec provincial election as head of the party ActionDirect(?):another Dumont perhaps correctly labelled a white Metis. Many Canadians have Indian Cards giving them Indian status even though they prosper at good jobs and pass easily as white persons. Descendants of Indians and Europeans do do well.

Indians from South and Central America mix well with Europeans. Maybe they correctly are labelled Mestizo, but mostly are called Latino. This mixed-bag group is also prospering and sometimes can pass as white, but are so well ingrained in society that hardly anyone cares one way or the other.

Consider the Mulatto. Africans and Europeans in the Americas have mingled for centuries. Mulatto's are doing very well, thank you. Just look at President Obama, his wife, and their delightful kids.

Indians, Metis, Los Mestizos, and Mulattos who blame their failures on the White man are wrong-headed. If not, then to whom would they attribute their successes?

Posted by: Agha Ali Arkhan | 2009-08-02 2:50:06 PM


I have had to delete numerous messages that consist of nothing other than personal attacks and school-yard tactics.

I am closing the comments section for post.

Posted by: Scott Carnegie | 2009-08-02 9:49:31 PM



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