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Saturday, May 16, 2009

5 arrested for waving Tamil Tigers flags in Britain

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Canada isn’t the only western country facing protests by ethnic Tamils.  While not on the scale of what we see in Toronto, similar protests (including blocked streets) have appeared in Washington, Sydney, and London.

The Toronto Star call’s it a test of our tolerance.  In a way I think it is, and in London they’ve failed it:

The Metropolitan Police of London said they have arrested five LTTE [Tamil Tiger] demonstrators opposite the Russian Embassy at Kensington Palace Gardens at Bays Water Road junction in Central London for displaying material which supports a proscribed organization in the United Kingdom.

The Russian Embassy is the latest place the usually violent LTTE went for demonstrations but unlike at the Sri Lankan, Chinese and Indian offices of envoys the 150 strong crowd was more tamed. The five were arrested under Section 13 of the Terrorism Act for displaying material in support of a terrorist group.

Although the LTTE members were blatantly displaying the Fascist terrorist flags of their outfit before in front of foreign diplomatic offices this is the first time they were arrested for carrying the flag of the leaping ferocious Tiger.

Leave aside the usual immigration and multiculturalism angles for the moment – let’s be clear of the facts here: the protesters in London were peaceful and they were arrested for carrying the flags of a terrorist group.  British or not, immigrant or not, it’s a clear violation of their human right to free expression.

If you call yourself a speecher, or a libertarian, then you must (and I do) totally and unreservedly support the right of these terrorist sympathizers to wave the flag of the organization which invented the suicide vest.

Not to be overly dramatic, but as the old saw goes “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”  I’m not asking you to jump on a landmine, but spare a word or two in the comments in support of the rights of these people to wave their rotten flag.

Posted by Robert Jago on May 16, 2009 in Freedom of expression | Permalink

Comments

You are having a laugh.. I cannot condone terrorism and I have no sympathy for terrrist sympathisers flying terrorist flags. LTTE are terrorists and you the tamil people abroad supporting them are causing the suffering of thousands and thousands of people. How can the LTTE be supporting the tamil cause when they are killing their own people. Wake up and grow up... Tamils in the west have all the comforts of western society and it's OK for them to support the ltte as they are not suffering. Or is it the case they want the unrest to continue in Sri Lanka so that they can continue to claim asylum in western countries... there is aways two sides to the story.....Go home and let London return to normal and yes let Sri Lanka return to normal...

Posted by: samsong | 2009-05-16 3:18:35 AM


I love the 'duck hunter' (as opposed to 'bible thumper') conservative posters on this blog. Whenever push comes to shove on liberty vs. police power, they always choose police power. Without hesitation and with firm conviction.

That should be a serious wake-up call to all the libertarians on this blog who think there is some hope converting conservatives to libertarian thinking.

Just because they have economics sort of right, you think you can get them over. Good luck. They have open contempt for all civil liberty except gun rights. They are living embodiments of the left's inaccurate picture of fascism.

They want Singapore -- a near free-market with no civil rights. If that's your idea of freedom, you're not a libertarian. If it isn't, you're never going to get them to believe in classical liberal civil liberties. They hate personal freedom and _love_ punishment.

And the bible-thumper types are obsessed with single issues no one else cares about. They're cranks. They're like the 9-11 truthers. People like that are not in the market for intellectual renaissance. They should be free to preach their views, but their influence should be fenced.

Face it. You're never going to get any where with either of them. Give up.

Posted by: Robert Seymour | 2009-05-16 8:44:19 AM


The President of Sri Lanka has proclaimed victory over the LTTE terrorists. I congratulate the people of Sri Lanka for defeating this menace and bringing a long deserve peace to their island nation.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-05-16 10:23:07 AM


Zeb:

Until I see LTTE leaders' heads on spikes, I remain unconvinced that it's totally over.

Like any conflict in human history, some guerilla action will continue for a while.

Posted by: set you free | 2009-05-16 10:42:56 AM


SYF: I think that you are correct. Pray that they turn Toronto into a battleground.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-05-16 11:55:02 AM


SYF: I think that you are correct. Pray that they turn Toronto into a battleground.
Posted by: Zebulon Punk | 2009-05-16 11:55:02 AM

Zebulon Punk is proof positive that the Alberta Eugenics Board was ended prematurely.

Posted by: The Stig | 2009-05-16 12:11:17 PM


One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter.

Posted by: Some NonTerrorist | 2009-05-16 12:28:41 PM


Isn't peace and cooperation the best method for all, both for the aggrieved and those in control?

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-05-16 12:47:19 PM


Those in control typically prefer to retain their monopoly on the use of violence and coercion, which is what leads to conflict and make negotiations fruitless for anyone who feels under the yoke of oppression.

Typically the party in control is already using violence and oppression and undermining fundamental human dignities -- otherwise how else could they be in control?

Posted by: Some NonTerrorist | 2009-05-16 12:54:04 PM


Apartheid in South Africa was overcome by a mixture of internal opposition and external sanctions. Surely the same could have occured in Sri Lanka - but the LTTE preferre war. They got what they deserved. I hope that the Sri Lankan government offers generous terms for reconciliation so that a peaceful future can begin quickly. Somehow, given LTTE's extremism, I fear that this is unlikely. There's the tragedy.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-05-16 12:58:54 PM


How about Canada giving a piece of land to the Tamils for their Elam? After all Canada has lot of unused land.

Posted by: hemant limbu | 2009-05-16 4:53:02 PM


Why doesn't India - most Tamils live there.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-05-16 5:10:52 PM


Attacker,
I don't understand your logic, to be frank (er, saxon). You'd seeking victory by forsaking western institutions and civilized habits?

I agree we should be less tolerant of intolerable ways. Careful now. Many Canadians who would not fight for the sake of agreement will nevertheless fight for the sake of peace.

Posted by: Timothy | 2009-05-16 5:36:55 PM


Hemant - every square nanometer of Canadian soil is currently occupied by the Canadian homeland. Maybe you see it as empty, but we don't.

That said, if individuals from the Tamil homeland decide they admire the way of life we have here, and they want to come, get a job or go to school and blend in, they're more than welcome. Notice the word 'individuals' - that's the important part.

This is the immigrant thing I didn't want to get in to.

Attacker: there is no 'we'. 'White people' are no more real than the 'proletariat' or 'the people'. Can you prove that a)such a thing exists and b)they agree with you? If you can't, then don't assign words or intentions to these ghosts, put them on yourself.

If you do that, then the way I read your comment above is that you're saying -you- are afraid of liberty, and -you- can't be trusted with freedom. And so what? Maybe you're lactose intolerant too, who cares? That's not a point, it's an anecdote.

If you have anything material or rational to say, feel free to try again.

Posted by: Robert jago | 2009-05-16 6:23:14 PM


How about Canada giving a piece of land to the Tamils for their Elam? After all Canada has lot of unused land.
Posted by: hemant limbu | 2009-05-16 4:53:02 PM

Actually I would suggest giving them land in Alabama. The place is backward, poor and largely undeveloped. It would be just like home for them. The one positive aspect of Alabama is that it does have a lot of food, and Alabama has one of the highest obesity rates in the US. Those tamils could certainly tuck in and put on some weight.

Posted by: The Stig | 2009-05-16 6:35:18 PM


This is the immigrant thing I didn't want to get in to.
Posted by: Robert jago | 2009-05-16 6:23:14 PM

Odd isn't it that libertarians want unrestricted immigration yet when reality hits bury their collective heads in the sand.

Posted by: The Stig | 2009-05-16 6:38:23 PM


Western countries
1. should stop taking garbage from other countries!
2. have done enough harm to the world

3. Tamil community have more rights (e.g. greater represesntaion in professional jobs and in cabinet positions) in Sri Lanka than in India, UK, Canada, and Malaysia

Posted by: Tharu Bansa | 2009-05-16 7:48:15 PM


This is actually hilarious.

This is a war thats happening in Sri Lanka and these tamils want to bring problems in Western countries too. Now that they've been defeated they will do anything to act 'revengful'.

Tamils are a dangerous race who crave for competition and to make themselves look better than everyone else. That's why they tried to grab 50% of the land in Sri Lanka when their group contained 13% of the Sri Lankan population. Its pathetic.

The tamils who are overseas are terrorists because they have been booted from Sri Lanka. And how there they are screaming their heads off living in luxury doing as much as they can to ruin the future of Sri Lanka from Western worlds.

The more western world ignores them, the more they will see the real side of the tamil people. Which are violent greedy immature bunch of nitwits.

Grow up! The world does not belong to you! And when you are screaming about humanity, imagine the times where you bombed the Central Sri Lankan bank which took the life of my family.

Posted by: Kumari_881 | 2009-05-17 3:41:49 AM


It might be tru that you will feel more patriotic (or is it racist) when you are away from your country (I know Tamil People doesn't have a country, or at least they dont like to consider the country where they were born as their motherland)..
But the top of all, most of the tamils want to continue the problem in thier country of origin, because they want to keep their asylum status, and import more 'refugees' to where they stay easily.
Otherwise theyu would have make a noise about LTTE keeping Tamil civilians as human shield and endangering their lives immensely. Thats sad, and it shows how selfish these diaaspora Tamils are.

Posted by: Nish | 2009-05-17 9:59:12 AM


I did read a news article that claimed in Tamil Nadu, India almost all of those who supported the Tigers suffered an embarrassing defeat at the polls. It seems the Tigers base in India does not support the revolution.

Posted by: Stanley77 | 2009-05-17 10:48:59 AM


Well, the mighty Veluppilai Prabhakaran has now been defeated, and considering the many innocent Sinhalese, moderate Tamils, and non-Hindu Tamils his organization was responsible for killing, this is a good thing. Let us not forget, though, that there are real grievances the Tamils of Sri Lanka have against the Sinhala-dominated government, and if these are not addressed in some way, the inevitable result will be the birth of another group even more vicious than the LTTE that will take up the banner of the Sri Lankan Tamil. Hopefully Mahinda Rajapaksa will live up to his namesake and now show compassion to the Tamils now that the LTTE is gone.

Attacker: it is evil people like you that make others hate white people.

Posted by: Jameel | 2009-05-17 11:19:17 AM


Stanley77, I don't think it's so much that the Tamils in India don't support the cause of their brethren in Sri Lanka, as it is that they don't support the indiscriminately violent tactics used by the LTTE throughout their war against Sri Lanka.

Let's not forget that the LTTE is the only terrorist organization to date that has managed to slay the leader of a sovereign nation while in office, i.e. Rajiv Gandhi, slain by a female LTTE suicide bomber wearing a claymore around her waist in Sriperumbudur, Tamil Nadu almost exactly 18 years ago on 21 May 1991. I doubt many people in India would support an organization responsible for the death of such an iconic figure, regardless the motivations of the group.

Posted by: Jameel | 2009-05-17 11:47:48 AM


Like the Palestinians, Ceylon's Tamils have had bad luck in their choice (or in most cases, non-choice) of leaders.

Prabhakaran was a Hitler. A small Hitler on a smaller stage, but a Hitler to his very bone marrow. Even down to the very end, when everyone else in the known universe knew it was over, his bunker mentality mirrored the last days of Der Fuhrer.

Hopefully, the next Tamil leader will have a basic understanding of the words "compromise" and "negotiate," but you never know. The BBC printed the comments of some British Tamils who, from their plush London flats, want the war to continue in a nastier, more suicidal mode. With fools like those free to blather on far from Ground Zero, Prabhakaran need not roll over in his freshly-dug grave just yet...

Posted by: daleandersen | 2009-05-20 12:02:08 AM


Just wait until the actual foreigners go into the so called safety zone! The truth will come out...people should read Prof Boyle's comments... the srilankan government is trying to destroy all of the evidence of genocide and yet they've been caught on satellite...the satellite is showing them using bulldozers to burry hundreds of tamil bodies and its going to be a matter of time before the truth comes out...they say they've killed the leader but sadly their evidence is not convincing

Posted by: AGAINST GENOCIDE | 2009-05-20 12:43:16 PM



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