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Thursday, January 29, 2009

Canadian national anthem banned in New Brunswick elementary school

After some immigrant parents complained that the Canadian national anthem was "divisive," the principal of Belleisle Elementary School in New Brunswick decided to ban it.

From the National Post:

Principal Erik Millett of Belleisle Elementary School in Springfield, N.B., a small community about 90 kilometres southeast of Fredericton, scrapped the morning ritual in the summer of 2007, citing concerns from several parents. But the issue failed to gain much notice until this week, after a mother complained about the policy to local media.

Here's a CBC news report about the anthem ban:

Posted by P.M. Jaworski on January 29, 2009 | Permalink

Comments

I expected Toronto to do this because nowhere else.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-01-29 7:47:08 PM


I refuse to stand for the state song. It makes me sick. Nationalism is the justification for so many heinous crimes. I believe in freedom, not tyranny. A world without exclusive sovereignty would be a far better place.

Posted by: John Skillman | 2009-01-29 7:54:52 PM


Are you kidding me?!

Posted by: McQueen | 2009-01-29 7:58:42 PM


Other than JW's, what other people in Canada would have a problem with the Canadian anthem? And why is the school trying to accomodate those people, rather than the majority who have no problem with the anthem? Retard Principal.

Posted by: Markalta | 2009-01-29 8:01:08 PM


If this happened in Alberta, watch out. People would get angry.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-01-29 8:18:21 PM


This whole thing seems very predictable given the Canadian expats I've known. I'm surprised it's taken this long to reach such a Trudeaupian conclusion regarding the anthem.

To milk a stereotype, Would you hire a principal with a little mini-goatee? Come on.

Posted by: Roger Godby | 2009-01-29 8:33:09 PM


This whole thing seems very predictable given the Canadian expats I've known. I'm surprised it's taken this long to reach such a Trudeaupian conclusion regarding the anthem.

To milk a stereotype, Would you hire a principal with a little mini-goatee? Come on.

Posted by: Roger Godby | 2009-01-29 8:33:09 PM


If these immigrants have a problem with the anthem then they are free to move to another country. Nobody says that you should stay in a country where the anthem is so horrible as to be "divisive". In the U.S., we have had people attack our anthem(Star Spangled Banner) as being divisive and too militaristic. However, we pass them off as nuts. We don't give in to them. We feel that our country is worth honoring with an anthem. I would think that Canadians are entitled to the same sentiment.

Posted by: Toby | 2009-01-29 8:58:55 PM


French Canadians have been insulting the Canadian National Anthem for years. Their kids were brought up to insult it. One had only to live in Ottawa since the sixties to know this. New immigrants seem to be folowing this lead.

Posted by: dewp | 2009-01-29 9:06:17 PM


But they're not immigrants, just "peace-loving" hippies.

http://www.greenparty.ca/en/campaign/13004

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-01-29 9:10:26 PM


This nonsense just seems without end. Our political elite seems to bend over backwards to accomodate every activist nut group in the country. If you don't like our anthem then go the hell back where you came from and listen to theirs. No wonder the kids of today have no idea what it means to be Canadian. Come to think of it...neither do most adults.

Posted by: peterj | 2009-01-29 9:14:39 PM


The real problem the political elite have with the anthem is this: "Glorious and Free". A thought they'd rather not perpetuate. Much the same way the American Pledge of Allegiance is seldom heard anymore..."And to the Republic for which it stands"... Again, they don't want people to think such things and are busy erasing it.
The immigrants are merely an excuse.

Posted by: JC | 2009-01-29 9:20:05 PM


Dear people,

I have this to say - If any public official even mutters a rubbish comment like banning the Canadian National Anthem from a Canadian School (or any other public institution) - they either resign, or get fired immediately (and fined accordingly). This is ridiculous.

Oh Canada, try looking after yourself, oh Canada, and remove such poison from public life. "Fighting for Canada" should be a national school curriculum text.

Regards, a privileged visitor!
Mark

Posted by: Mark Wilson | 2009-01-29 9:25:07 PM


Permit me to amend my last blast of comment. Even though I have been dismayed, insulted, saddened, and disheartened by the behaviour of some of our founding members, I cannot say that all in these groups behave the way I described, nor can I say that my group (undefined, really) has not behaved in a like manner. I should have used the word "some", and not implied the universal all-inclusive. VIVA CANADA!

Posted by: dewp | 2009-01-29 9:26:31 PM


Here is Principal Erik Millet's email address if anyone cares to send their thoughts.

[email protected]

Posted by: JC | 2009-01-29 9:37:59 PM


Clearly, the only solution if parents are going to complain about every innocent ritual or every "controversial" subject in schools these days is to get rid of state-sponsored schools and let parents choose the school that best accommodates their exquisite sensibilities.

Posted by: Grant Brown | 2009-01-29 9:53:32 PM


I feel bad for the girl that said she was upset and sad about the song being removed. It wasn't until a couple months after before her mom even found out the anthem was removed, so clearly this wasn't a big issue for the girl. Kids should not have to be subject to their parents' political battles.

Toby, this probably is religious based (in my elementary school, there were always a couple JW's that sat during the anthem), not based on immigrants.

Posted by: Ken | 2009-01-29 9:58:03 PM


I'd hate to be this guy now that word is out. He'll be bombarded with emails and requests for interviews. Heck, maybe people will accost him in the street. Let's hope they do.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-01-29 10:03:32 PM


"Canadian national anthem banned in New Brunswick elementary school"

They're signing the National Anthem in elementary schools?
That’s news for me or anyone in Québec.
If so, I can't figure out why an immigrant would want to ban this exercice but then again, it's not like if we're looking at our first "accomodations" foolish request.

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"Permit me to amend my last blast of comment."

That's okay dewp.
Since you're a kid you've been brought up to insult French Canadians.
...and you clearly never been in the Montreal's Bell Center or Forum. The only people booing the Anthem, precisly the french part of this French Canadians' made song, are the ones at the other end of the 401.

Posted by: Marc | 2009-01-29 10:04:11 PM


"The only people booing the Anthem, precisly the french part of this French Canadians' made song, are the ones at the other end of the 401."

You mean Detroit fans?

Posted by: DJ | 2009-01-29 10:41:57 PM


"I'm surprised it's taken this long to reach such a Trudeaupian conclusion regarding the anthem."

O Canada was made our national anthem while Trudeau was Prime Minister (July 1980), and it wasn't until after he was PM that we stopped singing it (and praying) first thing every day in elementary school, so I'm not sure where you're going with that one.

Posted by: Steve | 2009-01-30 2:21:39 PM


Come on- If the Anthem is so important to you- get together and sing it with your family- teach it at home. If it's sung at a school,fine- but it should NOT be mandatory- because that's indoctrination- not patriotism. The business of a school is teaching reading, math, etc- not creating little patriots. Come on- let the school take care of the business of teaching and stop making a big deal out of singing the Anthem for heaven's sake! You people are fools- everyone has an opinion aboyut what a school should be doing- but none of you really know what the business of a school actually is. A school has to deal with MANY individuals in a fair manner- not just your own child and your particular beliefs. All this BS is a good arguement for not allowing ANYTHING remotely like an anthem (and certainly religion)in a school. Keep it at home in the family.

Posted by: Donna Lee | 2009-01-30 8:35:38 PM


"Here is Principal Erik Millet's email address if anyone cares to send their thoughts


Posted by: JC | 2009-01-29 9:37:59 PM "

Now that person'JC' (quoted above - email address removed from the quote )really IS ignorant. JC whoever you are- SHAME ON YOU. What a malicious thing to do.


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Posted by: Donna Lee | 2009-01-30 8:41:16 PM


"none of you really know what the business of a school actually is".

Donna Lee.
And you do ?? Please enlighten us.

Posted by: peterj | 2009-01-30 11:01:42 PM


As to Mr. Millett's Green Party affiliation I suggest you all read a book called Eco-Imperialism: Green Power Black Death here's the web site http://eco-imperialism.com/main.php.

Donna Lee, I feel no shame whatsover in exposing
the more cancerous aspects of our country foor what they really are. You can play apologist for the socialist school agenda all you want but all you are doing is showing us how indoctrinated and naieve you really are. I can't blame you for that as you yourself are probably one of the state funded education systems better success stories.
Why don't you take that sense of right and wrong and apply it to something that promotes individual rights as opposed to collective rights...(which itself is an oxymoron)

Posted by: JC | 2009-01-31 5:34:27 AM


PS Donna lee,
If Mr. Millet doesn't want his email address to be public, he should remove it from the public realm. It took me abot 35 seconds to find it.

Posted by: JC | 2009-01-31 5:36:08 AM


Ban the National Anthem. NO excuse! It is time for Canadians to rise up against the "politically correct" crowd and exercise our rights.
"All that remains for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
Sir Edmund Burke

Posted by: Major Gordon C. Simons | 2009-01-31 6:56:57 AM


O Canada - I stand on guard for thee. For my Country and it's Anthem.

I am studying to be a teacher myself and I must say that if I was working at a school that did this, I would immediately resign. I could never work at a school that did not honour the Nation in which it stands.

Canada is home. "O Canada" is the way in which Citizens celebrate our life in this free and prosperous nation.

Posted by: Susan Varillas | 2009-01-31 8:31:43 AM


Skillman wrote: "I refuse to stand for the state song."

I refuse to brake if I see you crossing the street.

Skillman wrote: "It makes me sick."

So in revenge you make us sick? Well, that's constructive.

Skillman wrote: "Nationalism is the justification for so many heinous crimes."

Not by Canadians.

Skillman wrote: "I believe in freedom, not tyranny."

If I read you correctly, you believe in whatever gives you what you want, when you want it, preferably at someone else's expense.

Skillman wrote: "A world without exclusive sovereignty would be a far better place."

And how would you know that, since it's never been tried?

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2009-01-31 8:43:15 AM


Morons like this one should be removed. They seem prone to forget that they are paid to serve, not to reign. If his aim was to avoid controversy, he defeated his own ends, because he's created far more than retaining the anthem would have.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2009-01-31 8:45:59 AM


Donna,

1. Schools do more than teach the three R's. Given the fact that kids spend half their waking hours there, they have to. Given the number of immigrants these days, for schools to help in the business of raising good young Canadians is doubly important.

2. Don't tell us what we know and what we don't know about schools. Your post is long on overblown emotion and short on facts. Emotion has NO place in debate, NO place in public policy, and lends NO enhancement to your argument. We all went to school. We know what's involved.

3. If people want to preserve their own customs or traditions, THAT is what ought to be going on at home. We shouldn't have to erase our own culture in order for newcomers to feel that theirs is not being demeaned. Multiculturalism is nothing of the kind--it is the antithesis of culture, the doctrine that the host culture must be erased to allow the incoming cultures to flourish. When you immigrate to a new land, you try to respect local customs. Otherwise, you stay at home.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2009-01-31 8:54:27 AM


"Fools who don't know the business of schools..." Good grief.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2009-01-31 8:58:11 AM


I suppose that I can sympathize with the principal. If Alberta was attacked by the feds again like in the NEP, Canadian symbols should be removed until they stopped.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-01-31 10:45:29 AM


If families ran culture from the home, like Donna suggests, all we would get as human beings would be birthday cakes and the occassional turkey dinner.

There is a reason why society insists that kids be crowbarred away from the home at age 5 to learn how to live with people who aren't their Mom

Posted by: 419 | 2009-01-31 12:14:37 PM


Singing " Happy Birthday " at home discriminates against everybody else in Canada who has a different birthday

This must be stopped immediately or I will be upset.

Buy our new release on Itunes :

" Happy Birthday to Everybody "

it runs on a loop forever

Posted by: 419 | 2009-01-31 12:19:08 PM


For god sakes, Donna! Having someone say the national anthem does not turn them into a war mongering Nazi! Patriotic pride is good. It only becomes bad when you think that your country has the right to control other ones. Its a question of extremes. P.S. Sorry that I used the word god in my first sentence. I realize that mentioning God in public might offend some people.

Posted by: James | 2009-01-31 9:35:06 PM


The school system has an agenda all its own,
"State Funded" of course.

Here are a few thoughts on the subject from some notables...

"Children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society which is coming where everyone is interdependent."
-- John Dewey
(1859-1952) American philosopher, psychologist, professor, and progressive educational reformer.

"'Parent choice' proceeds from the belief that the purpose of education is to provide individual students with an education. In fact, educating the individual is but a means to the true end of education, which is to create a viable social order to which individuals contribute and by which they are sustained. 'Family choice' is, therefore, basically selfish and anti-social in that it focuses on the 'wants' of a single family rather than the 'needs' of society."
-- Association of California School Administrators

The sovereignty fetish is still so strong in the public mind, that there would appear to be little chance of winning popular assent to American membership in anything approaching a super-state organization. Much will depend on the kind of approach which is used in further popular education.
Council on Foreign Relations

Wherever is found what is called a paternal government, there is found state education. It has been discovered that the best way to insure implicit obedience is to commence tyranny in the nursery.
Banjamin Disraeli

The education of all children, from the moment that they can get along without a mother's care, shall be in state institutions at state expense.
Karl Marx

Posted by: JC | 2009-01-31 11:42:06 PM


Do you people know what "ban" means? This school has dropped the singing of O Canada. Big deal.

When I was a boy, we sang O Canada and God Save the Queen, and recited the Lord's Prayer, every morning. If they can drop the Queen and the Lord's Prayer, they can drop anything. And there's no "if" about it; they can and did drop those things. They can drop O Canada too.

Posted by: ebt | 2009-02-01 3:33:02 PM


Maybe they should make the kids sing "Deustchland, Deutschland Uber Alles" to show what could have happened had the peoples of the free world not stood up for freedom.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-02-01 4:04:48 PM


Do you people know what "ban" means? This school has dropped the singing of O Canada. Big deal.
Posted by: ebt | 2009-02-01 3:33:02 PM

Fair enough ebt, why then don't we just drop all sense of nationality and patriotism and quit letting them rob us blind? How does that sit with you?

Posted by: JC | 2009-02-01 5:19:47 PM


EBT, the fact that they COULD do it doesn't mean they SHOULD have done it. The manner in which it was done is also cause for concern. Why should the concerns of a few parents outweigh those of the many? Malcontents like to complain about a tyranny of the majority, but a tyranny of the minority is worse.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2009-02-01 7:50:46 PM


but a tyranny of the minority is worse.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2009-02-01 7:50:46 PM

Exactly.

Posted by: JC | 2009-02-01 8:25:22 PM


Tune in next week when they remove the Canadian flag from all schools and public buildings because its too divisive! Keep going at this rate and next thing we won't be allowing people to refer to themselves as Canadians because that might appear divisive to immigrants! Gee, how much longer has this country got if we keep following this path? In the end, the only question will be whether the U.S. annexes us or thinks its not worth the trouble. Wake up, ther is nothing wrong with being proud of a country and showing it. Having kids learn the anthem, fly the flag, and be proud of their country does not make them militarists. Come on, have you seen the size of the Canadian military? Also, I have no problems with saying the Lords Prayer in school or parliment. If you have a problem, don't say it! There were many times in school where I found that I was the lone member of a particular belief, idea, or opinion. I expressed myself but allowed others to do as they saw fit. I wish the politically correct crowd would show the same tolerance.

Posted by: Zane | 2009-02-01 8:48:42 PM


I haven't heard "God save the Queen" sung in Alberta for years. Where do they sing that any more?

Posted by: dp | 2009-02-01 9:10:18 PM


They work fast!

N.B. school ordered to resume playing O Canada

Updated Sun. Feb. 1 2009 6:47 PM ET

CTV.ca News

http://tinyurl.com/cosma4

Serves the scum right.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2009-02-01 9:51:59 PM


I like to see the commie Green's take a hit.
Citizens 10 - Gangreene's 0

Posted by: JC | 2009-02-02 4:36:51 AM


Good to hear. It's too bad we don't have someone who can deliver the same tongue-lashing to some of the philosopher-kings masquerading as respectable jurists.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2009-02-02 9:41:04 AM


Skillman says: "I refuse to stand for the state song. It makes me sick. Nationalism is the justification for so many heinous crimes. I believe in freedom, not tyranny. A world without exclusive sovereignty would be a far better place."

- Nationalism is much like anything else, too much is a bad thing, but you're crying over the NATIONAL ANTHEM not Russian youth politics. Stay in school kid. You believe in foolish perversed Lockian Liberalism, take your perversions to the Netherlands.

Posted by: jdude | 2009-02-02 2:57:13 PM


Its a shame Millett does'nt run to the HRC with all the hate mail he received. There is little doubt that the HRC would rule in his favor and that would be the end of that nut collection too.

Posted by: peterj | 2009-02-02 6:50:48 PM


As well as it should be across Canada. But alas, that dream will never happen. All I know is I will tell my kids to NEVER stand for the Anthem. It is what the song represents that sickens me. To hell with it!

Posted by: indian | 2009-02-03 12:55:53 AM



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