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Thursday, December 04, 2008

Western separatism growing on the web

In response to comments by former Liberal MP for Vancouver-Kingsway Simma Holt suggesting support for Western Canadian separatism, Western Standard editor Peter Jaworski, said:

Holt may not be the only one thinking long and hard about Western separatism. The threat of a Bloc-NDP-Liberal coalition government has infuriated many in the West. This is why we've put up an online poll asking Canadians whether or not Westerners should begin considering separating from Canada. You can see the poll, and the current results, here.

If the website statistics for the Western Block Party, Canada's largest Federal Western separatist party, can be taken as any indication, Holt is not alone: she's one of a quickly growing number of people thinking about Western separatism in response to the fast-changing political situation in Ottawa (click to view full-size):

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I've also noticed a surge in traffic to various pages on the Western Standard website originating from Google searches of the term "western separatism."

The leader of the Western Block Party, Douglas Christie, was interviewed by the Western Standard on Monday and we showcased an August speech he made to a Calgary audience about the history of Western Canadian populist and separatist movements.

Posted by Kalim Kassam on December 4, 2008 in Canadian Politics | Permalink

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Considering the role towards socialism taken by both right and left in Ottawa it is certainly worth considering a legal secession from the Corporation known as Canada. Provided of course that the spirit of free enterprise and self reliance outweighs the parasitic trend towards cradle to grave "security".

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams

Posted by: JC | 2008-12-04 10:58:57 AM


Why bother with these polls. They are hardly being done on a random, unbiased sample of the Western population.

Is it intentionally to mislead people? To achieve confirmation bias? Why?

Posted by: bob | 2008-12-04 11:42:02 AM


The West should have separated long ago! There is NO good reason to remain in this "smoke & mirrors" sham of a Federal arrangement which works against our interests as a matter of routine.
The media across the West has, for the last few days, allowed a lot of snivelers to voice their opinions concerning "keeping Canada together", but just what precisely IS "Canada"?
"Canada" to me consists of only two things. First; it is the snake-pit of Ontario deal makers sitting around behind closed doors making deals that never take the interests of the West into consideration. These deal makers view the citizens of the West as mere peons, serfs, bumpkins, and yokels. Equally, the snake-pit of Ontario contains Maoists marching hand-in-hand with Unions centered in the East who also could not care less ( and never have cared ) about anyone or anything in the West.
The second thing that makes up "Canada" is the parasitic entity known as Quebec. Quebec's population has perpetually been on the dole from the West ( Alberta especially!!!) and its population not only sees nothing wrong with this, they feel entitled to it. In fact ( demonstrated over and over ) they threaten separation whenever their entitlement does not meet their demands!
Furthermore, I cannot EVER recall anyone from Quebec who entered Federal politics or who was just a citizen - not a single one, who EVER stood up and stated that the West should be given a fair shake, or that the West should be included more in the country's focus or courses of action. TAKE FROM THE WEST? YES! Treat the West as an equal? NEVER!
So, regarding Western separation, so-called "Western Canadians" need to ask themselves a few questions. These are;

1. Do you want Justin Trudeau shoved down your throat in a few more years? ( Remember what his papa did to the West????!!! )

2. Do you want to remain part of the highest taxed population in the entire civilized Industrial world?

3. Do you want to be part of a "country" in which your vote means NOTHING and in which you and your efforts exist to be fleeced in the views of the "rulers" in the East?

4. Do you want to support a population in Quebec who are deluded enough to believe they are actually entitled to your money and resources? A population that has convinced itself that it is "different" and "special" JUST BECAUSE THEY SPEAK FRENCH??
( Remember, there is NO "distinct culture" in Quebec. They do the same things in the same ways for the same reasons at the same times as ALL other caucasians across the Western world. They just do these things and follow these customs while speaking French! When there is Christmas in the rest of the Western world, there is Christmas in Quebec. Do you get my drift here??? They are NOT different in any way except language. Big deal!! )

Again, we could live like kings in the West. We don't need the Ontario snake pit. We don't need the "different" and "entitled" people of Quebec.
SEPARATE!

Posted by: K. Oshima | 2008-12-04 12:30:59 PM


Talk of separation in the West only legitimizes the Bloc and its goals. The unholy coalition has united nine of Canada's provinces as never before and only split Quebec. Let's leave it that way.

Posted by: Aviator | 2008-12-04 2:36:36 PM


Oh the irony.

K. Oshima claims that Quebec isn't distinct in any meaningful sense, but at the same time claims that the West is distinct enough to warrant its own country.

Classic stuff, sir.

I also applaud your use of bold and multiple punctuation.

Posted by: bob | 2008-12-04 2:40:17 PM


For God's sake, don't leave! Every riding in my area of Ontario (with the exception of one) elected Tories with over 50% of the vote. You cut out, and we have do deal with these twits alone!

Posted by: Brent Cameron | 2008-12-04 2:41:23 PM


On the Internet, eh? Wow.... That must mean... Something.

Not quite sure what, how about publishing some membership numbers for these separatist parties (Hey John V. are those okay? Or do you think they should never be allowed to form?) instead of anonymous "drive by" polls on the internet.

Posted by: Snowrunner | 2008-12-04 3:30:54 PM


How about the west and rural ontario form their own country? Ottawa and Toronto can stay in whats left and serve as the financial agents for the welfare recipents of Quebec and the Atlantic provinces. The results are(in the west) a conservative country with oil sands, forestry, a more business friendly environment(with Vancouver and Calgary as financial hubs), where gun rights are respected, the death penalty exists, more private involvement in healthcare, and less of a debt burden. The Liberals and NDP get Ottawa(with the bureaucracy), Toronto(with the social leftists),Quebec, and the Atlantic provinces. They can have a government that supports big government spending, swedish style tax rates, bans private gun ownership, pays for unrestricted abortion, soft on crime, is a slave to the unions, and hates the Americans. This second country will be the Liberal/NDP Trudeau legacy realized.

Posted by: Jason | 2008-12-04 4:31:30 PM


K Oshima is spot on. As for this destroying "Canada", sorry but the great Dominion of Canada was destroyed long ago beginning with Pearson and Trudeau driving the final nail into the coffin.

JC also makes some very valid points, and I would add that if separation will only result in just another socialist collectivist welfare state, then why bother to separate.

Posted by: Alain | 2008-12-04 6:00:47 PM


What a great post Jason!!

Can we please get that published again? Let's go big - print, air, billboards even!

Posted by: Laurel | 2008-12-04 6:19:57 PM


Well now then.

Get crackin' you guys have at least two months to get the party going on and should there be an election in March then you can get all the Western Ridings in the West which gives you all the legitamecy you want.

Once that's done you can help and work on a provincial level to get a referendum going and put on the agenda, if you hussle you can be free of Ottawa within the next four years.

Don't forget to post progress reports, by the way you guys sound the whole thing is a slam dunk.

Posted by: Snowrunner | 2008-12-04 6:35:08 PM


Don't forget to post progress reports, by the way you guys sound the whole thing is a slam dunk.

Posted by: Snowrunner | 4-Dec-08 6:35:08 PM


Taking the sarcasm into account, Snowrunner makes a sad but valid point. While we may have the sentiment going the right way, I see no real organization. Surprisingly, Epsi made a cool suggestion on another thread about starting a shadow government that would eventually be legitimized through the voting process. Vote for the shadow MLA kind of thing...maybe?

Posted by: JC | 2008-12-06 7:05:06 AM



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