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Friday, December 05, 2008

Bureaucrash reminds Americans that they're #1! (At incarcerating their citizens)

Bureaucrasht While alcohol is no longer prohibited, other things still are. Puritanical and paternalistic prohibitionists are always busy looking for ways to restrict our liberties, and to make decisions for adults about how they should live their lives.

The most glaring, and disastrous, example of this is the continuing war on drugs in the U.S. and Canada. So vile and outrageous is this war, that it has helped lead to incarceration rates in the U.S. that far surpass those in dictatorships like Communist China (#26), Communist Cuba (#3), or secret police states like the Russian federation (#2). Fully 738 of every 100,000 citizens are locked up in the U.S. (Compare that to the estimated 838 per 100,000 rate during the GULAG of the Soviet Union).

With less than five per cent of the world's population, the U.S. has 23 per cent of the world's prison population.

Now you can send a little message by getting yourself a newly-designed "End the Drug War" t-shirt from the good folks at Bureaucrash for US$17.76 (yup, 17.76...). Pete and the gang at Bureaucrash: Put together a t-shirt that can work for Canadians as well, please. We've got a war on drugs too, and we like t-shirts with solid pro-liberty messages as well.

Posted by P.M. Jaworski on December 5, 2008 in Marijuana reform | Permalink


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If nothing was illegal, incarceration rates would be 0. If jay-walking commanded a prison term, incarceration rates would be even higher. If Russian during the Gulag eras prohibited just killing people straight up, what would their incarceration rates be?

I'm no fan of the outrageous aspects of the drug war in these two countries, but quoting incarceration stats doesn't sway me a bit or prove a thing one way or the other.

Posted by: Daryl | 2008-12-05 5:27:14 PM

Incarceration is a business requiring tax dollars.
Nuff said?

Posted by: JC | 2008-12-05 6:29:47 PM

Incarceration requires tax dollars, ergo we should do whatever we can to reduce the level of incarceration? No, not nuff said.

Posted by: daryl | 2008-12-05 7:35:25 PM

Incarceration requires tax dollars, ergo we should do whatever we can to reduce the level of incarceration? No, not nuff said.

Posted by: daryl | 5-Dec-08 7:35:25 PM

Well I suppose that if we were to find that a significant number of those incarcerated were in there for simple possession of pot that we go back to the idea that its just a business and no justice is actually being served.
Its business, not justice, and taxpayers foot the bill so rich people can get richer. Perhaps you haven't had a chance to take a good look at how ineffective alcohol prohibition was.
It isn't rocket science.

Posted by: JC | 2008-12-05 7:50:25 PM

If you don't want to go to jail, then don't break the law. It's as simple as that.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-12-05 8:51:07 PM

We bet that many other nations would be glad to catch as many serious law breakers as the USA does ..and get them out of circulation..

We get the feeling that certain people get their justice cues from reading crime novels backwards into a mirror, and end up with the idea that the bad guy assholes are always blameless warm hearted heros, and cops are always trigger happy robot creeps.

We quote J Edgar Hoover when asked how would he "fix" the criminal elements harassing society..

. "Above all, I would teach him to tell the truth, Truth-telling, I have found, is the key to responsible citizenship. The thousands of criminals I have seen in 40 years of law enforcement have had one thing in common: Every single one was a liar."

............ J. Edgar Hoover, G man to the stars

Posted by: 419 | 2008-12-05 9:51:34 PM

Ha. "taxpayers foot the bill so rich people get richer", so we should relax drug laws. Again, this isn't argument against draconian drug laws - it just makes you sound socialist. More rich people are getting richer right now with the drug laws, through illegal money, than EVER will be if the laws were repealed. See prohibition for a good example. Make your case against the "justice being served" part, but don't bring up taxpayer money and incarceration rates. It only weakens the arguement and is easily refuted.

In case you didn't notice, we agree on the drug laws most likely. I don't agree with stupid arguements that do little to sway people to relax them. Tax money and incarceration rates fall in this category to me.

Posted by: Daryl | 2008-12-06 6:56:34 AM

In case you didn't notice, we agree on the drug laws most likely.
Posted by: Daryl | 6-Dec-08 6:56:34 AM

Probably. This thread happens to deal with Incarceration though and having lived a good part of my life in the US I've heard all the stories from those who have been victimized by a "corporate" system of law enforcement. So the problem isn't singularly taxes or business but a combination of both capitalizing on draconian laws. And BTW in no way am I a socialist....I despise the F*ing things! :)
Have a good one.

Posted by: JC | 2008-12-06 7:09:48 AM

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