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Saturday, November 29, 2008

Prorogue Parliament?

Stephen Taylor of Blogging Tories is reporting a rumour that Parliament may be prorogued by the Prime Minister. This would mean that Parliament rises until the new year, and it would mean that the opposition motion won't be voted on.

It could give time for everything to cool down. Perhaps after the heat of the moment the Liberals will decide that a coalition with the NDP is not worth gaining power. There is an element of bloodlust that is going on in the Liberal caucus, perhaps given time this will pass.

At the same time it may backfire. Consider the optics of a government about to be brought down by Parliament, sending that Parliament away. Will such a move turn people against Harper? Or will people be grateful that he, as Taylor puts it, "[pours] some cold water on the heated political atmosphere on the Hill."

Posted by Hugh MacIntyre on November 29, 2008 in Canadian Politics | Permalink

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Sounds like a good idea - let the Corporations and their paid agents in the Liebral/Dipper Alliance simmer for a while. Hopefully Harper will insist on ending the party finance scam - that way, the opposition and their masters will have something to complain about.

If there's another election, so be it. Worse things have happened.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-11-29 10:44:55 PM


Interesting turn of events. Hugh, you're already on top of things but I think we need to get you to Ottawa so you can be covering all this stuff up close.

Posted by: Kalim Kassam | 2008-11-29 10:55:18 PM


I'm not sure why Harpo doesn't just let them go through with it. The thought of those guys either bringing on another election, or worse yet, attempting to wrest the gov't with an alliance of the Blocheads and NDP will turn even apathetic citizens around enough to vote for the Conservatives...which will bring the majority gov't Harpo wants.

Posted by: Markalta | 2008-11-29 11:32:57 PM


I have voted Conservative or PC my entire life, and for the life of me, I cannot understand what the hell Stephen Harper is doing.

In 72 hours, he took his virtual dominance over the Canadian political system, and flushed it down the drain.

If this economic update contained a shred of good policy, I would defend the man to the death. However the package was pitiful. Any 1st year economics student would know that stimulus spending is appropriate immediatly. You don't hold it off for a few months to see what happens.

If we wait until feb to get the package in place, the recession is simply going to prolong itself. The money wont get into the real economy for month s and months after that. This isnt brain science, we go through a recession every decade!

Posted by: Ted Johnson | 2008-11-30 12:36:51 AM


It seems to me that more time before the vote is just going to be more time for the Liberals and NDP to figure out how they're going to make this work.

Posted by: Janet | 2008-11-30 1:02:21 AM


Like all fascists harper isnt capable of taking responsibility for his own actions. If he decides to wait until the new year to bring in Parliament its a sign he is too cowardly to face the music of his own making. Someone needed to explain to him he has a MINORITY government and he cant goosestep around and dictate orders. The majority of Canadians did not in fact vote for him, his pathetic lies and whining about it not being legal are exactly that - pathetic lies. Politically harper killed himself no matter how this comes out. Thats a very good thing for Canada. Best thing that could happen to the neo nazi conservatives is a major house cleaning. Get rid of all the reform party fascists and go back to their roots. Try starting at the top with lame duck harper then work your way down till the last one has been expelled from the party.

Posted by: Black Jac Shallack | 2008-11-30 1:14:56 AM


It would be a very bad move, as it would suggest that the PM lacks what it takes to govern and is no better than the others for wanting to cling to power.


Posted by: Alain | 2008-11-30 1:16:56 AM


Delaying parliament into the new year would give almost everybody, even right wingers full justification to suggest that the Government is incapable of governing.

Posted by: Steadman | 2008-11-30 2:21:36 AM


Once again Harper the chicken runs away

he called the last elction to avoid accountablity and ended back where he started.. in front of a firing squad


The new Conservative party was elected cause they said they were going to be better than the other political parties, more honest, decent, etc, and in this regard they became the biggest liars themselves, they next became the bullies, thugs, oppressors, promise breakers and much more, showing to us all that they were really wolves in sheep clothing, their clearly apparent bad acts do not deny who they really are still too… bad people.

No one in his right mind can ever think, believe these are the acts of a genuine professing Christian , more likely acts typical of the Christian Missionary Alliance church, but not those of Jesus Christ. Jesus would have shown consideration for the poor people firstly, humbly too, now too and not be self centered, boastful, proud like the Conservatives

You cannot hide for long what you really are, Stephen Harper and his thugs included..
Merely let is think back to the final days of the election campaign, when Prime Minister Stephen Harper declared that the government had already done what was needed, that Canada was better off than the United States and that deficit financing was out of the question. And after the lection the same government uses words such as “recession,” and will run a deficit. Mr. Harper even warns about remembering the lessons of the Great Depression. How the same liar sings a different tune before and after the election, but that has been so common of him.

The PMO office even falsely issued detailed marching orders to Conservative MPs for a weekend MANIPULATIVE blitz to ATTEMPT TO shift public opinion FAILED RIGHTFULLY AS WELL. The decision to attempt to strangle the three opposition parties by removing public financing of parties has obviously backfired. The government is now withdrawing the idea. But is it now too late to stop the consequences? It was and is the Prime Minister Harper himself who is the main insult to democracy. And who can believe a too often lying, manipulative, deceptive Conservative anymore anyway? Kick him still rightfully out of office.

Posted by: thenonconformer | 2008-11-30 3:19:58 AM


What I have heard from Liberals in Ottawa this weekend.

Proposed Liberal-NDP coalition. There are 38 cabinet positions, 31 are proposed to go to Liberals, 7 to the NDP. With just 114 MPs between them, talent is going to be stretched thin. About 20 cabinet positions are big budget portfolios.

The challenge is that all Liberals and NDP are from the cities, and tho' there is a rookie NDP MP in Edmonton-Strathcona, there will be no representation from Alberta in the cabinet. BC, Ontario, Quebec, Atlantic Canada would get virtually all the cabinet positions.

Dion - PM
Ignatieff - Foreign Affairs
Bob Rae - Housing
Keith Martin - Health
Jack Layton - Environment
Libby Davies - A-G/Justice
Marc Garneau - Minister of State - Science & Technology...

are some of the proposals...

Posted by: Marc Scott Emery | 2008-11-30 6:53:51 AM


Kalim, funny enough I am in Ottawa visiting a friend.

Thanks Black Jac, it wouldn't be an internet political discussion without someone refering to someone else as a fascist. Great contribution.

Posted by: Hugh MacIntyre | 2008-11-30 7:22:41 AM


MSE: I'm thinking more of Duceppe as Deputy PM. What a fantasy...even the Gov. Gen. isn't warped enough to go for that. A vote of no confidence and another election must be called. Guaranteed Conservative majority.

Posted by: Markalta | 2008-11-30 6:24:54 PM


I would love for Harper to try to pull a stunt like proroguing parliament! Harper and the CONservatives would be tarred and feathered from St Johns to Victoria and back, with everyone at a fever pitch when Parliament resumes to watch Harper get his comeuppance in January, with unemployed people from factory closings cursing Harper everyday on the news and in the newspapers! And that is assuming the Governor-General allows Harper to do this! lol. Harper's desperation is pitiful to behold! What a loser! Joe Clark hands the mantel of loser to Harper!

Posted by: ROGER | 2008-11-30 6:32:07 PM


"there will be no representation from Alberta in the cabinet."

Posted by: Marc Scott Emery | 30-Nov-08 6:53:51 AM

Then how about Alberta starts sending its delegates to Congress in Washington?

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-11-30 6:54:48 PM


Then how about Alberta starts sending its delegates to Congress in Washington?

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 30-Nov-08 6:54:48 PM
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Sounds like the Stevie Harper Firewall Alberta contingent! This is of course sedition. Mulroney brought the Separatistes like Lucien Bouchard into the heart of the Government of Canada, and Harper granted the wishes to recognize the Quebecois as a distinct people, and now we have more of this treasonous talk from the west! Shows that all their talk of concern over Duceppe is just so much lies and opportunism, not high principle! Harper and his supporters hate Canada and are closet Bush bootlickers. If anyone wants to migrate to the States, don't let us stop you! Obama can be your president! lol. Gotta love it! Harper is going to tuck tail like a beaten dog and crawl back to Calgary where he will sob like a baby over his defeat! The Joe Clark loser mantel passes hands to Stevie Harper, fellow Calgarian of Joe's! Why do so many incompetent men come from Calgary?

Posted by: ROGER | 2008-11-30 7:11:10 PM


Obama on his worst day is infinitely superior to a Dion/Layton/Duceppe government.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-11-30 7:25:03 PM


It is sad that

"Sounds like the Stevie Harper Firewall Alberta contingent! This is of course sedition."

How so? All their plans sought was to improve Alberta's defenses against a hostile fed gov threatening the Alberta economy with Kyoto. It was more like common sense.

"Mulroney brought the Separatistes like Lucien Bouchard into the heart of the Government of Canada, and Harper granted the wishes to recognize the Quebecois as a distinct people, and now we have more of this treasonous talk from the west!"

What else could they have done, ignored them? Jailed them? Pierre the Terrible tried that and it failed. Bringing them into government was a sound and accepted way to do it. This way, they seek established ways of redress. Even Lincoln had Southerners and slaveholders in his cabinet.

"Shows that all their talk of concern over Duceppe is just so much lies and opportunism, not high principle!"

Who just made a deal with them? The Liebrals and Dippers? Bah.

"Harper and his supporters hate Canada and are closet Bush bootlickers. If anyone wants to migrate to the States, don't let us stop you!"

Most move to the US to seek opportunities that Ontario's corporate establishment denies them. It's called a brain drain and you ought to be concerned about it. Oops, WAY too late.

"Obama can be your president! lol. Gotta love it!"

I can think of worse things, like a coalition between three insane parties bent on Kyoto. Congress can keep Obama in check.

"Harper is going to tuck tail like a beaten dog and crawl back to Calgary where he will sob like a baby over his defeat! The Joe Clark loser mantel passes hands to Stevie Harper, fellow Calgarian of Joe's! Why do so many incompetent men come from Calgary?"

Nonsense.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-11-30 7:31:06 PM


I for one am happy that in America's desperation, they have turned to an African Muslim man to save them. I think Obama will do a great job. I think Obama is a great man.... for America. On their worst days, Dion/Layton/Duceppe are infinitely superior to Harper or any of the clowns in his gang! Soon, the Joe Clark loser mantel will be passed onto Harper! Biggest blunder and self-inflicted destruction of a government in Canadian history! Remember these days folks, because it is the stuff of history!

Posted by: ROGER | 2008-11-30 7:35:00 PM


"Most move to the US to seek opportunities that Ontario's corporate establishment denies them. It's called a brain drain and you ought to be concerned about it. Oops, WAY too late."

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 30-Nov-08 7:31:06 PM

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lol--you might want to check the medical researchers moving to Toronto and elsewhere in Canada FROM the USA in recent months! The brain drain was always oversold, and now it is America worrying about the brainy Chinese and Indians who are outperforming Americans, at a fraction of the wages! While moronic N Americans show their ignorance in posts on the Internet, Chinese and Indians are studying and working hard to outperform. While people here study business administration and law and other useless drivel, Indians and Chinese study basic sciences, engineering and technology to out perform N American loud mouth talkers. Bush has destroyed America. It is never going to recover. I just hope Canada escapes the worst of America's collapse! Thank God that Conrad Black is sitting in an American jail and he is no longer Canada's problem! We ought to ship all our white collar criminals to America! Bernie Ebbers is from Alberta too! lol.

Posted by: ROGER | 2008-11-30 7:44:22 PM


He's back....alalaaaalallllal. Don't feed the troll. Oh I almost forgot. lol lol...

Posted by: Markalta | 2008-11-30 8:16:48 PM


Silly me, I'm sorry everyone.

Can we consider Emery to be a troll too?

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-11-30 8:27:07 PM


ROGER's IP has been banned, since he is a troll.

Emery could not be a troll since he's a contributor to the Western Standard newsmagazine.

Posted by: Kalim Kassam | 2008-11-30 8:59:27 PM


Emery hates Canada so much that he wants to exclude one-tenth of its population from representation, and he's a contributor?

Well, I'm one to talk - I want to see Ontario stripped of everything.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-11-30 9:06:53 PM


I did not say it was desirable that a Liberal-NDP coalition not have any Cabinet Representation from Alberta, I remarked that with only one rookie NDP MP from Alberta, it would be impossible to get representation in the Cabinet unless a Liberal Senator from Alberta (is there one?) were recruited. Its unlikely a rookie NDP MP would be brought into Cabinet.

Posted by: Marc Scott Emery | 2008-12-01 12:49:54 AM


I did not say it was desirable that a Liberal-NDP coalition not have any Cabinet Representation from Alberta, I remarked that with only one rookie NDP MP from Alberta, it would be impossible to get representation in the Cabinet unless a Liberal Senator from Alberta (is there one?) were recruited. Its unlikely a rookie NDP MP would be brought into Cabinet.

Posted by: Marc Scott Emery | 1-Dec-08 12:49:54 AM

What would prevent the coalition from tapping a Conservative MP from Alberta for a (minor?) Cabinet position?

I actually do hope that one of the first things they do is cut the cabinet back down to size.

But I have to admit I am really laughing at the "deer in a headlight" behaviour that the Conservatives are showing right now, it seems even the knives are already out and shining in the moonlight. Wonder if Harper will wake up sometime this week with one of them sticking out of his back.

He gambled, he lost, that must sting.

Posted by: Snowrunner | 2008-12-01 1:32:53 AM


Folks calling Harper a coward should take a look at what he is obviously trying to prevent. There are only two likely outcomes if the non-confidence goes through.


1. The Liberals and NDP form their own minority government. With little representation in Quebec, no reason to think that the Convervatives and Block wouldn't defeat their bills also almost ensuring option
2. Even if it doesn't the government would take months just to reorganize themselves - cabinet positions, offices, staff, liberal leadership convention in May, etc.


2. The governor general forces an election. That means a winter election, $400 million, and virtually no one in power to pass anything until March at the earliest. With nearly bankrupt parties and of course no assurance that we won't end up in the same boat.

All Harper is doing is giving everyone some time to decide whether this is something they wish to do. If the opposition is serious about forming a coalition, then they have time to prepare and arrange one. If they are serious about triggering an election, then everyone can see it coming.

Saying that this means that nothing will be done over the next few months and that important bills will be delayed is stupid. What do folks think is going to happen if a new government is formed or an election triggered? How long before bills are passed in these cases?


He is trying to avoid what the vast majority of Canadians do not want - another election. About the only way he can do that is to make the opposition stop and think and for the public to have time to see what is happening and let their MPs know that another election is not possible.

Posted by: BW022 | 2008-12-04 12:35:43 PM


lol--I am the only true Libertarian here. The rest of you are merely true believers in CONservative dogma! I alone can take on all of you and win, so you need to be coddled and protected from points of view that disturb you. lol.

Posted by: ROGER | 2008-12-17 6:48:37 PM


lol--America has turned to an African Muslim man to save America! DP lives in denial. He thinks that White Apartheid South Africa was great--lol. Poor little white guy, the only thing he has left is his white skin, and no one gives a cracker whether he is white, black, yellow, red or brown, DP is a fool no matter what his colour! What did China not invent? They invented paper, the printing press (not Gutenberg, as claimed), gunpowder. What the Chinese did not invent, Indians, Persians, Arabs, Koreans, Japanese and others invented. The Europeans merely improved on what others invented. There is a reason why they called Europeans living in the Dark Ages! And those Europeans never bathed and had mice living in their clothes! And European women thought it Godly to never change their underwear and never to bathe!!! DP, your ancestors stank! I guess this is the level of discussion you like huh? Harper is done like a turkey at Thanksgiving. I understand your desire to talk about other things! The CONs are done. Back to the Opposition benches where you can pass your flatulence while no one takes any notice of you anymore!

Posted by: ROGER | 2008-12-17 6:48:40 PM



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