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Sunday, November 30, 2008

UPDATED: File under 'opposition opportunism' and 'total lack of principle': NDP and Bloc were already in talks to form coalition

Layton_duceppe CTV is reporting on previous coalition talks between Layton's New Democrats and Duceppe's Bloc Quebecois:

The New Democrats and Bloc Quebecois had a secret plan to form a coalition party well before the opposition's uproar over the government's fiscal update, CTV News has learned.

NDP Leader Jack Layton was in talks with Bloc Leader Gilles Duceppe for a "considerable period of time," reported CTV's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife.

Layton held a telephone-conference meeting with his caucus Saturday morning that was recorded by a Conservative member. According to the audio tape, Layton appears to take credit for the possibility of a coalition.

"Let's just say we have strategies. This whole thing would not have happened if the moves hadn't been made with the Bloc a long time ago and locked them in early," Layton says. "Because, you couldn't put three people together in one or three hours. The first part was done a long time ago."

He then goes on to say that the NDP "spotted and prepared for the opportunity and had taken the steps that were required, so that when the opportunity arose, which was when Mr. Harper made his disastrous strategic error by not providing stimulus to the economy and instead playing political games, we were able to move and things began to move very quickly."

Layton also says about the Bloc: "Nothing could be better for our country than to have 50 members who have been elected to separate Quebec...actually helping to make Canada a better place."

And just for fun, I'm going to quote that last paragraph one more time, read it carefully. I'm amenable to the idea of a free and independent Quebec, and I'm certainly in favour of more provincial autonomy as long as it comes with provincial self-sufficiency, but I still can't remember the last time I heard Layton say something so illogical:

Layton also says about the Bloc: "Nothing could be better for our country than to have 50 members who have been elected to separate Quebec...actually helping to make Canada a better place."

Read the rest.

(h/t Joanne)

Update: The PMO has leaked the transcripts of the Saturday NDP caucus caucus conference calls about the coalition talks. Here are some highlights from NDP Leader Jack Layton and NDP Caucus Chair Judy Wasylycia-Leis:

Jack Layton: Thank you very much, uh, keep the myth alive that I’m exhausted and working incredibly hard (laughter)  I appreciate you relaying that, I was asleep by ten o’clock last night, and had a very good night, a very good sleep, and that was my Friday night. So, an update on where we are, the, uh, we’re in the middle of a very historic time, and we’re playing a key role in it, in some ways a catalytic role actually, because as we think back, we’ll realize that nobody really imagined that it would be possible for the Bloc Quebecois, the Liberal party of Canada ever to enter into any kind of a discussion around the future of the country and  it turned out that we were the glue, and spotted and prepared for the opportunity, and had taken the steps that were required so that when that opportunity arose, which was when Mr. Harper made his disastrous strategic error, by not providing stimulus to the economy, and instead playing political games, we were able to move, and things began to move very quickly, however, many obstacles remain in our way, and so we’re in a real battle now.  The negotiating process, I am, by the way in very very regular touch with the leader of the Liberal party, and the leader of the Bloc, frequently every day.

[...] We’re starting with two party talks, this will resolve itself into a tripartite conversation before the weekend is up, and the goal is to produce by the end of the weekend, an agreement on the machinery of the coalition, which would be signed off, particularly by the NDP and Liberals, but endorsed by the Bloc, and an agreement on policy program for the coalition, that would have three party agreement.

[...] Now, will there be an independent NDP caucus, yes.  BQ stability issues, worry about BQ potentially being off-side, we’re taking that very much into account.  We have numerous strategies designed to deal with it, I actually believe they’re the least of our problems, but in case I’m wrong, let’s just say we have strategies, this whole thing would not have happened if the moves hadn’t have been made with the Bloc to lock them in early, because you couldn’t put three people together in one, in three hours.  The first part was done a long time ago, I won’t go into details

[...] The coalition for Canada, I love the idea, it could be a deal-breaker for the Bloc (laughter) so if we don’t go, we call it “The Coalition for Canada and Quebec,” (lots of laughter).  Well, welcome to the real world of….that’s not funny

[...]  And I’ll just say one other thing about the issue of the Bloc:  nothing could be better for our country, than to have the fifty members who’ve been elected to separate Quebec to actually helping to make Canada a better place.  I think we just approach it on that basis, and say we’re willing to make Canada happen, here’s other things that we’re going to be investing in and transforming together, they’re willing to work with us, we’ll accept that offer.  What will be important to point out is that this will be an NDP-Liberal coalition, which is supported by the Bloc, with policy ideas that the coalition is bringing forward. [...]

Judy Wasylycia-Leis: I just want to add one thing, and that is so the major thing is here that the message we’re focused on the message, so that’s not confidential, what’s confidential is strategy, the discussion, details, the speculation about the other parties and their motivation and what they will or they won’t do, we should not talk at all about war rooms, or campaigns in that sense.  We’re building, trying to create a coalition government that will be a Liberal-NDP coalition that will be supported by the Bloc and that’s the message that we want to get out, nothing about the discussions in the background. (emphasis mine)

Kady O'Malley has the rest, it's great stuff. Layton may be an opportunist, but if what he's saying is true, he's a damn smart one.

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Layton must resign for this seditious attempt to seize power.

Posted by: TimR | 2008-11-30 1:28:13 PM


If they really wanted this to work, they'd merge the NDP and Liebral Parties with Layton as leader.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-11-30 2:01:14 PM



I watched Ezra Klein threaten to seperate Alberta from Canada, on TVO's "The Agenda" show.

It doesn't mean he has nothing to offer Canadians.

Minus the seperatist issue, the Bloc is just another social democratic party.

The Libs/Dems will just supress their bad habits, & encourage their good ones.

Harper had the same opinion, when he proposed a Bloc/Conservative coalition to the Governor General a few years ago.

Posted by: Paul Escobar | 2008-11-30 2:13:22 PM


TimR,

I don't think Layton's actions were seditious, merely silly and baldly opportunistic.

Also, in general, what's so bad about sedition?

It's always a good idea to keep the powers that be on their toes, and be ready to remove them if they overextend and abuse their powers to the point of despotism.

"People should not fear their government, their government should fear the people." - V

http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2008/11/remember-rememb.html

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." - The American Declaration of Independence

If the US government took the principles of the Declaration seriously (which they don't), sedition would not be a crime in that country, as they would realize that they too could travel down the path of King George.

Posted by: Kalim Kassam | 2008-11-30 2:14:21 PM


I find it hard to believe that the arrogant Taliban Jack obviously thinks that prosperous Western Canada would put up with him as an unelected finance minister or PM, using Western Canada as a piggy bank again to buy votes down East.

As Rene Levesque once said, 'there will be incalculable consequences' from such cavalier thinking.

Posted by: Rocky Thompson | 2008-11-30 5:33:29 PM


I find it hard to believe that the arrogant Taliban Jack obviously thinks that prosperous Western Canada would put up with him as an unelected finance minister or PM, using Western Canada as a piggy bank again to buy votes down East.
Posted by: Rocky Thompson | 30-Nov-08 5:33:29 PM

You're absolutely right. I've noticed alot of traffic coming to old Western Standard articles this weekend from searches of "western separatism" on Google.

There's clearly more than a handful of people who have started thinking about secession and a free and independent Western Canada as a result of this attempt by the Liberals and the NDP to further centralize this country in Ottawa for the benefit of Ontarians.

Posted by: Kalim Kassam | 2008-11-30 5:48:13 PM


I had to laugh in reading "lack of principle". I doubt that the Bloc, NDP or Liberals even understand the meaning of principle.

Posted by: Alain | 2008-11-30 6:00:02 PM


They DO understand the concept of principal, that is sums of money given by investors. The NDP and Liebrals Coalition is a capitalist enterprise if there ever was one.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-11-30 6:10:59 PM


lol--I rather like that letter from 2004 that Harper cosigned with Duceppe and Layton, addressed to GG Adrienne Clarkson, advising her to look at the options if the minority Martin government fell, no doubt including giving Harper a turn at governing. Harper is such a hypocrite and lying scoundrel. He does not respect parliament, picked a fight with Elections Canada over CONservative moneylaundering to circumvent election finance laws, and now howls when the rules are followed to oust him from his dictatorial perch! Gotta love't!

Posted by: ROGER | 2008-11-30 6:12:01 PM


lol--Harper believes in one principle--saving his hide! He tried to buy Cadman's vote, claimed the tape recording was altered, until his own recording expert testified that the tape was genuine and unaltered! When did Harper ever tell the truth on anything ever? He has made a life out of politics, and has never held a real job anywhere ever!

Posted by: ROGER | 2008-11-30 6:14:54 PM


Have to laugh at the claims of freedom of speech by the fascists here!

Posted by: ROGER | 2008-11-30 6:18:39 PM


I think Gilles Duceppe would make a great Minister of Foreign Affairs.

Posted by: Policana | 2008-11-30 7:03:39 PM


"I think Gilles Duceppe would make a great Minister of Foreign Affairs."
Posted by: Policana | 30-Nov-08 7:03:39 PM

Please anyone but Michael Ignatieff, within months Iggy and Hillary Clinton will be making their case to the UN about the "Responsibility to Protect" and the urgent need to invade Zimbabwe, Darfur, Iran or wherever someone in the world is suffering somewhere.

Posted by: Kalim Kassam | 2008-11-30 7:13:57 PM


Yeah, imagine how much worse it could be than just hanging out with biker chicks and misplacing top secret files in the soiled lingerie hamper of mistresses! And then there is that whimpering young scoundrel Petey McKay, who had a close relationship with Karl-Heinz Schreiber, who got him his first job at Thyssen! I love how B'Linda kicked Petey and sent him running home sniffling and sobbing to his potato patch! How could an adult man of Pete's low station in life, a rube potato farm boy, think he could snag a high class urban socialite lady like B'Linda? I can imagine how the CONservative old men drooled over B'Linda! Quite obscene even thinking about it!

Posted by: ROGER | 2008-11-30 7:30:42 PM


Will the real boogeyman please stand up! Prior to the last election Gilles Duceppe seeing that he was down in the polls and having little financial support from the separatist movement, chose to make the prime minister out to be the boogeyman and thus a cause not to vote Conservative but Bloc. It is Gilles Duceppe (Deception)who wants to destroy Canada with his separatist asperations, not Steven Harper. Now the former Communist party member wants to join the New Communist Party of Canada (NDP,Liberal,Bloc coalition)to try to accomplish his party's goal. By the way there is also a boogeywoman, her name is Pauline Marois, leader of the Parti Quebecois

These people, who are themselves bi-lingual are forcing their own French people to be unilingual so as to control them better. Keeps them at home so they can't get better informed. The French people in Quebec are being deprived of their basic right of freedom of speech. I have spoken to many French Canadians from Quebec that wish they could speek English also but were deprived of the opportunity but I have never spoken to one that was bi-lingual that wished they were only unilingual French.

To the people of Quebec and the rest of Canada I say, get rid of the real boogeyman, Gilles Duceppe (deception)and boogeywoman, Pauline Marois and their political parties so we all can live in peace and harmony.

p.s. Canadians did not vote for the New Communist Party of Canada in the last election. If there is a non-confidence vote then there should be a new election.

Posted by: George Waugh | 2008-11-30 9:14:06 PM



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