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Saturday, October 25, 2008

Sarah Palin on immigration and amnesty

Univision, the Spanish-language U.S. TV station, interviews Sarah Palin about immigration issues and amnesty:

Governor, let me ask you about immigration. How many undocumented immigrants are there in Alaska?

I don't know, I don't know. That's a good question.

As governor, how do you deal with them? Do you think they all should be deported?

There is no way that in the US we would round up every illegal immigrant -- there are about 12 million of the illegal immigrants -- not only economically is that just an impossibility but that's not a humane way anyway to deal with the issue that we face with illegal immigration.

Do you then favor an amnesty for the 12 or 13 million undocumented immigrants?

No, I do not. I do not. Not total amnesty. You know, people have got to follow the rules. They've got to follow the bar, and we have got to make sure that there is equal opportunity and those who are here legally should be first in line for services being provided and those opportunities that this great country provides. 

To clarify, so you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?

I do because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country.

Mark Krikorian, over at the Corner, has a bit of a hissy fit about the interview. I don't pretend to understand the conservative position on immigration. It's one thing to worry about terrorism, quite another to want to be a bordered-up isolationist. And Krikorian is a particularly kooky anti-immigration guy -- he seems to oppose not just illegal immigration, but the legal variety too (you can check out his book: The New Case Against Immigration: Both Legal and Illegal). And he's all-too-happy to hat tip a "white nationalist" -- actually, plain old racist -- as Moynihan from reason's Hit & Run points out.

And just who are the illegal immigrants in Alaska anyways? Russians or Canadians? My guess is there's plenty of "illegal" Canadians over in Alaska. And I say let them be.

UPDATE: I've posted this before, but here's the Bloggingheads discussion between reason's Shikha Dalmia and Krikorian on immigration:

UPDATE2: Here's an excerpt from a video featuring Milton Friedman on immigration:

Posted by P.M. Jaworski on October 25, 2008 in U.S. politics | Permalink

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The Fraser Institute has given into the anti-immigration crowd. One of their new books has an article by Krikorian (and articles by other nuts) -- very upsetting.

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/researchandpublications/publications/5587.aspx

Posted by: Robert Seymour | 2008-10-25 3:09:47 AM


And Krikorian is a particularly kooky anti-immigration guy
Posted by P.M. Jaworski on October 25, 2008

So if he doesn't hold your view on immigration he's "kooky".

- he seems to oppose not just illegal immigration,
Posted by P.M. Jaworski on October 25, 2008

Maybe because it's illegal. Illegal immigrants know what they are doing is illegal. Libertarians have a problem understanding right from wrong.

Posted by: The Stig | 2008-10-25 10:43:53 AM


And you apparently have a problem with reading, The Stig. What makes him particularly kooky isn't his opposition to illegal immigration, but his opposition to both legal and illegal immigration (which you would have seen if you didn't rip my quote out of context).

Posted by: P.M. Jaworski | 2008-10-25 11:04:04 AM


but his opposition to both legal and illegal immigration (which you would have seen if you didn't rip my quote out of context).
Posted by: P.M. Jaworski | 25-Oct-08 11:04:04 AM

- he seems to oppose not just illegal immigration,
Posted by P.M. Jaworski on October 25, 2008

So you approve of illegal immigration?

Posted by: The Stig | 2008-10-25 11:14:47 AM


"...approve of illegal immigration..."
Posted by: The Stig | 25-Oct-08 11:14:47 AM

So you approve of illegal immigration, The Stig?

Stick to the conventional rules of language and we'll have a good conversation about it. But I won't debate someone who refuses to use language in ordinary ways.

An example:

Someone might write: Jones has a kooky view about child rearing. He supports not just the view that we ought to educate our children, but that we should throw them in the air because the wind will go through their ears and help them learn.

And The Stig would respond: So you think educating children is kooky?

Posted by: P.M. Jaworski | 2008-10-25 11:25:38 AM


So you approve of illegal immigration, The Stig?
Posted by: P.M. Jaworski | 25-Oct-08 11:25:38 AM

No I don't. Too bad you can't answer a simple question.

Posted by: The Stig | 2008-10-25 11:36:59 AM


Libertopians tend to view policies in the absolute sense rather than within the context of current realities. Laissez faire immigration might be an acceptable policy in a theoretically pure libertarian (un-state), but within the leviathan of the current and progressing welfare / nanny / protectionist states, the very people who control so much of our lives are also "controlling" (or ,in the case of illegals, failing to control) immigration. As Milton Friedman said and I paraphrase, uncontrolled immigration plus the welfare state equals bankruptcy. Academic studies on all sides of this topic deserve more than ad hominem dismissal. Some of the findings may surprise and challenge those who rely too much on the current crop of editorial kids that work their way through reason magazine (I've subscribed since 1974).

Slick sound bites don't provide answers which consider the complexities of most issues, I think Palin understands this.

Posted by: John Chittick | 2008-10-25 11:44:28 AM


I support immigration. In cases where legal immigration is overly burdensome, I don't have a problem with (but I do not endorse) illegal immigration.

Posted by: P.M. Jaworski | 2008-10-25 11:46:38 AM


The problem is the immigration system is completely out of control. If there was any control, illegal immigration wouldn't even be an issue.

There is corruption in the legal system and lots of it. Why? Because there are sooooo many immigrants running our immigration system.

Next Item: Libertarianism is s huge waste of time and is as idealistic as the leftist utopia of social justice in the peoples paradise.

Libertarians, to have what they want, would be tantamount to a child stating that he thinks two parents are too many and is appealing to one of them to off the other so he can have 'smaller government' in his own life and household ... smaller government.

What are the odds of any government cleaving itself to please a bunch of whiners who think that the masses are ready to take more control and responsibility over their own lives. Ask any one parent family how it's going.

You are asking a bunch of brain-washed babies to grow up.

I am a huge fan of Ayn Rand who is the most radical libertarian know. I am also a huge science fiction fan.

I enjoy the idea of both, but I know entertainment from reality.

Posted by: John V | 2008-10-25 2:16:22 PM



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