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Monday, October 13, 2008

'Responsibility to Protect' means what, exactly?

Just wondering: Under the Responsiblity to Protect doctrine, does the international community have to hold off on deploying troops to Iran until the country actually starts executing citizens who convert to Christianity from Islam, or does the doctrine allow the international community to launch a pre-emptive attack to protect threatened Iranians?

Posted by Terry O'Neill on October 13, 2008 in International Affairs | Permalink

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"The Responsibility to Protect populations from genocide, ethnic cleansing, war crimes and crimes against humanity is an international commitment by governments to prevent and react to grave crises, wherever they may occur. In 2005, world leaders agreed, for the first time, that states have a primary responsibility to protect their own populations and that the international community has a responsibility to act when these governments fail to protect the most vulnerable among us.

The Responsibility to Protect-Engaging Civil Society (R2PCS) project works to advance Responsibility to Protect (R2P) and to promote concrete policies to better enable governments, regional organizations and the U.N. to protect vulnerable populations."

And what about the Sudan? and half a dozen other places (that have no oil)? Where's the cavalry for those people?

(That ought to generate a barrage of self righteous attacks) :)
Have a good one.

Posted by: JC | 2008-10-13 10:03:36 AM


How many Iranians should these wonderful democratic governments slaughter in order to "prevent executions"?

Posted by: Alan Mercer | 2008-10-13 12:27:00 PM


All of them.

Posted by: dp | 2008-10-13 12:30:03 PM


Oops, wrong thread.

Posted by: dp | 2008-10-13 12:31:28 PM


I am away from middle east about 15 years but i hear from far some news bad and good

let me just tell you waht i know about that area

1) capital punishment there is not favor of canadain who are not doing it but look USA you can see in some state can we find better solution to not execute people off course we can but it costly to fix them or prevent them or hold them in jail to they thinks execute them

2) ISLAM law are not reject jewish or christianity it means muslim are belive moses and jeses you can not say i am christian while we already include that in our book of Quran and one soruah about only mother of jeses while some thing we describe it different

3) i Islam law who able to do exceuation in time of politicla war with a) kafer means peopel who reject god while we see so many hindo and russina comonist who reject god or sikh indian or budism chinnese doing bueinss with iran you do not see sing any war with KAFER it means reject of god while chrisitian and jewish who are belive god are not include KAFer group but politic change that nobody kill people of only reject god

4) In islam are group who are monafeq who say we are Muslim but trun back and do illegla also are called monafeq i p ersonaly bleive most those talbean and pakstani are monafeq are say we are Muslim while they drink alchol and do all thing eating pork or son again muslim are not in war with taht group too
5) then we see peopel called them MORTED it used for people who are change from Muslim and beocm christian again in law of Islam if you reject mohamd is prophet of god while you were Muslim is also sin and can charge for execuation again that is not too much hear in Iran or middle east while peopel slander it

6) THEN YOU may have issue with laws in islam while muslim can not stop west of not drinking or earng pork or do porn movie and let women wear bikini you cna not just go nd change law of islam no body give you this permision to do so
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5
a)
let's focus in number 5 above said change form muslim to christina this is new way so many refugee recnetly come to canada under they change their relgion from islam to become christian
in fact those Iranina who came to canada are not realy change their relgion they want to get permited with one option left of refugee which is chnage their relgion from muslim to christinan while human right in cnada are nto understand most of them are doing trick way to do so

5 b)
why some one reject Mohamad is not propeht and lik to go backward not forward is also group who are born in family are not informed or hate regim of iran goverment and because they hate political in iran they hate Islam automatically in poltical
fight goverment and that is group who are capture by governemt fo iran and they excute them whiel they are screamed and say word back

there is nto sign in Iran you were Muslim now you are christian unless you go to chruch and sign something to plan to refugee to other country and wait in line for it you can change relgion who can understand it no birthcertifiate to knwo that

whiel i am not support any execuatin for cirminal mmind in today socity gov of each countyr can fix even worst criminal but it costly to do so
i generaly not support any execuation
while even canada say we are agaisnt execuatin of ccapital punishment while they go war to kill civilan and bad people who can find number of civilan are killed in hand of canadian soldure nobody care to say it too then all killing is not necessary is matter of real crime it is mater of political poweer and game of money who is the boss
really!

middle east exucation is very bazzare while young wwoman can arrest knwo they can easy go to sheikh and have marriage of pay or not pay to sheikh and prevent any excuation since in islam law you do not need to register for any kind of marrige unless it is permenet marrige for divorce paper
it is much easier peopel follow the law and reduce all excuagtion while it can happend to jsut follow one paper done and prevent it

number of population 67 million and number of oppositon who were in terrorist with governmetn fo Iran keep put bomb are so many if any voice come up gove of iran will excute them since they have power and otehr oppostion are have power too
in canada Dion and harper can keep fighting butg not harm bodily to each other in oppostion with govmernt in iran every oppositon if not stop tomoroow order to do new kodota and revlotion to take new govment up while all is lack of freedom and not able to hold on to it in socity control too you can see in china is the same when 1 billion are live there nobody talk it means govenment not know hwo to do security let peopel talk and able to nto go and kill each otehrs next day

middle east crisit got worst by intefer from west to exiting problem and more complicted that you simply understand why some one is executed in rian is more personla and more poltical hate than reglion hate is there
disadantage of live in iran
drugs, lack of security, drugs, high rent high food price and back economy and inside under table corrution inside country and worst than freedom of talk with violance from both side is not evitable inside iran made country worst today

advantage:
on other hand iran belive they have oil while you oor USA need to dig in alsaka to find new one
iran belive their countyr crime is lower than USA
iran education is higher standard in USA
Iran movie and adulty are more control
while disadvantage still not find real cure for it
iran has better relatioship with forign affair with his neighbor now
Iran got more independant in doing busines with west now
nobody in iran are drink alchol while they may made undeer table in small portion or eat pork

still disadvantage in iran and kill of 1 miilion iIran and iraqi soldure made it worst to anybody ttake look at Iran as safe to live still has potnetioal of treat from isreal as their old revenge of these two country

Iran belive they did helped jewish when hitler tried to kill them and help usa and england with war in russia was \iran helped them and palsten heled jewish for immigrant htem later jewish treid to kill and start war with iran and palstein in return of all helped they did to them
jewish trust usa helped them while in fact iranina helped jeish and iran was he one who said all fight in isreali is because of oil not relgion

still you need do more reserach about that country but iran is more complicated country canadian able to deal with them easy still
need third party to open communication with them

Posted by: new | 2008-10-13 1:08:46 PM


Iran, and the middle east in general would be an excellent place to use ERW's. It would get rid of the scum but leave the oilfields intact.

Posted by: The Stig | 2008-10-13 1:24:57 PM


There's a way to stop all this conflict AND end global warming at the same time. It's called nuclear winter. I'm all ready for it. I have a snowmobile, plenty of warm clothes, and I know how to snare rabbits. Give it a few years, and we can colonize every region that has anything useful left.

Posted by: dp | 2008-10-13 2:48:11 PM


Iranshmaran, look at China, holy crap they slaughter Christians like sheep and wrap it in different names "Feudalisti Belifs" etc.

Christians get killed all over the world every day. Jesus kind of warned em' about that aspect of the whole salvation package.

Posted by: Pete | 2008-10-13 3:14:09 PM


Iran, and the middle east in general would be an excellent place to use ERW's. It would get rid of the scum but leave the oilfields intact.

Posted by: The Stig | 13-Oct-08 1:24:57 PM


I stand corrected...I should say:
A Goose Stepping National Socilaist SS kind of idiot.
God God, but you are a despicable human being.

Posted by: JC | 2008-10-13 5:13:01 PM


I stand corrected...I should say:
A Goose Stepping National Socilaist SS kind of idiot.
God God, but you are a despicable human being.
Posted by: JC | 13-Oct-08 5:13:01 PM

I thought for a moment you were going to use the worst insult possible and call me a libertarian. Bwahahahahahaha.

Posted by: The Stig | 2008-10-13 5:25:58 PM


What's the answer JC? We build bigger and better forms of self defense, then find it inconceivable that we could ever use them? Stig has a valid point about using up old stock. That's one of the reasons for gulf war one. It's cheaper to launch those aging weapons than it is to recycle them.

Americans understand why they have a military. They also understand that an idle military soon loses its effectiveness. Peacekeeping is a load of crap. Canada has been going down the wrong road ever since that idiot Pearson decided the UN should police the world.

There's an inconvenient truth that Canadians just can't seem to accept. Those people are our enemies. All of them. They shouldn't be allowed to move here. They shouldn't be allowed to buy our grain, or use our technology. We should learn to get by without their oil(which would still be in the ground without our technology). We took the easy route by buying cheap oil from them, instead of developing alternate energy sources.

Posted by: dp | 2008-10-13 5:44:29 PM


Iran, and the middle east in general would be an excellent place to use ERW's. It would get rid of the scum but leave the oilfields intact.

Posted by: The Stig | 13-Oct-08 1:24:57 PM


Low life.

Posted by: JC | 2008-10-13 6:09:02 PM


There's an inconvenient truth that Canadians just can't seem to accept. Those people are our enemies. All of them. They shouldn't be allowed to move here. They shouldn't be allowed to buy our grain, or use our technology. We should learn to get by without their oil(which would still be in the ground without our technology). We took the easy route by buying cheap oil from them, instead of developing alternate energy sources.


Posted by: dp | 13-Oct-08 5:44:29 PM

dp I generally have a lot of respect for your points of view. I find myself in agreement with you 99% of the time.
But I'd like to pose a question, How did these people become our enemies? (If in fact they are)
I suggest that through a policy of foreign intervention dating back to the First World War we (our governments)have created these enemies through our policies of foreign intervention and by creating and supporting brutal dictatorships of people who were willing to "play ball".
But! you might say, that was then and this is now.
Which would be a fair point. So how do we diffuse the situation? That, to me, is the question to ask.
And as the Low Life would have it, I don't believe genocide is the course to take.
This situation wasn't created over night and it won't go away overnight...so what to do?

Over to you, dp.


Posted by: JC | 2008-10-13 6:17:03 PM


I believe the problem will go away overnight JC. Just like fall arrives overnight. I woke up on Thursday and realized I needed to scrape my windshield, and blow out the sprinklers. The leaves had suddenly turned colour, and the pumpkins had to be picked. I just didn't see it coming.

As for when the situation was created, it doesn't really matter any more. It is what it is.

Posted by: dp | 2008-10-13 6:34:08 PM


How did these people become our enemies?
Posted by: JC | 13-Oct-08 6:17:03 PM

They intend to replace our society with theirs. If you need someone to answer that for you you truly are a clueless nitwit.

Libertarians would open up the immigration doors to them. The only doors I'm willing to up for them are the bomb doors.

Posted by: The Stig | 2008-10-13 7:02:35 PM


Iran, and the middle east in general would be an excellent place to use ERW's. It would get rid of the scum but leave the oilfields intact.

Posted by: The Stig | 13-Oct-08 1:24:57 PM


Morally Bankrupt Low Life.

Posted by: JC | 2008-10-13 7:37:10 PM


reponsiblity and tell the truth about history

you grow wrong hate for unneeded war and elution of what you like to bleive otehr peopel while in fact your information is wrong and not completed

1) wolrd war I and iran

://thegooddemocrat.wordpress.com/2006/04/12/iran-and-world-war-one/

://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I

://www.fouman.com/history/index.htm

2) world war II and how iran helped for wining russia and helped saved life jewish and other peopel read more hisotry in most hisotry do not explain this job of iran was not explain well

://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tehran_Conference

://militaryhistory.about.com/od/militarystrategies/p/tehran.htm
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3) how oil in iran and iran said england can use oil not free oil fair trade they did not agreed

://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Mosaddeq

://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=iran+oil+refinery+in+abadan+English+and+mosaddegh&meta=
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4) how shah is gone in Iran while shah in iran was eudated in USA and back and not act muslim he drink alchol and his sister involved druges and adultry and Bahii took PM of iran later all relgion take power and not know he poltic of world and cost so much unncessery battel inside iran while that can be stop if USA did not interfer in iran poltic and jelousy of grow of iran
://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution
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5) how USA helped sadam hosain in Iraq war
://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_War
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conclusion if look at history
all oil all power and money and all banks and history of wars and how they betray world to get advantage and how politician in past lied to made peopel hate each others

all could be prevented if take reponsibilty of their job, if tommorrow media used for tell the turth or at least politicna don ot come and say conspriary lies or even study real who was winston churchill
you will history book all must written

when tehy dediced to use peopel differnces culture and relgion and country of origna to kill and destroy them for them to gian it while all people are human and must live and have fairly treated west is stay with wrong information about Asia

Posted by: new | 2008-10-13 8:22:13 PM



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