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Monday, October 27, 2008

Doctor denied permanent resident status because of daughter's illness.

If ever there has been a story that sums up just how broken our health care and immigration systems are, it's this one.

A Calgary critical-care doctor's application for permanent residency has been rejected because one of his daughters might be a drain on the health care system.

South African physician Stanley Muwanguzi says his 22-year-old daughter has been institutionalized [for treatment of cerebral palsy] since she was a toddler and he has no intention of moving her to Canada.

Note that this case isn't significantly different from the case often cited by those hoping to close our borders that there is "danger" of immigrants just coming here to access welfare and social programs. Blocking doctors from coming into Canada because of illnesses in their families is a direct result of the precautionary principle applied to immigration.

Most of the arguments against liberalizing our immigration policy stem from an improper association of problems caused by expansive social programs with freer immigration policy, but rarely is it so obvious as in this case. It's not about saving lives or allowing anyone to make life better for themself - it's about is preserving a broken health care system that kills Canadians with waiting lists for doctors like Stanley Muwanguzi.

An unintentional result of conservatives supporting restrictive immigration policies is that they often help (at least in the arena of ideas) to perpetuate many other programs that they claim that they want to scale back or eliminate.

Isaac Morehouse had an excellent post arguing for freer immigration in which he addressed "the welfare argument" against immigration that can be found here.

h/t: Ker.

Posted by Janet Neilson on October 27, 2008 | Permalink


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Good riddance. Immigration is at unsustainable levels already. We don't need more doctors, especially immigrants from a country with a culture of death. We'll likely soon have a wave of ex-pat Canadian doctors returning from the States.

Now if we can just figure out what to do with thousands of soon-to-be unemployed "temporary workers" from Africa. I'm willing to bet none of them will be going home any time soon. I wish you short-sighted assholes would wake up and realize immigration is a social cost, not a social benefit.

Posted by: dp | 2008-10-27 3:03:38 PM

If there really is concern for saving lives, and not just promoting a liberal ideology, then reduce immigration. Reducing immigration reduces wait lists even if the number of doctors does not grow.

Are you really concerned about the well being of Canadians Janet?

"October 25, 2007—The number of practising physicians in Canada reached 62,307 in 2006, increasing by 4.9% over five years. This represents a similar rate of increase to the population at large (4.0%), according to a new report released today by the Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI).The rate of increase was slightly higher for family physicians (5.7%) than for specialists (4.0%), with the number of family practitioners rising from 96 per 100,000 Canadians in 2002 to 98 per 100,000 in 2006. The number of specialists relative to the size of the population saw a slight decrease over this five-year period, from 93 per 100,000 to 92 per 100,000."


Posted by: DJ | 2008-10-27 3:21:28 PM

Waiting lists aren't due to a shortage of technicians, or Doctors.

Each Provincial government decides how many of each procedure will be done each fiscal quarter and that is what creates the wait, not a shortage of ability.

When politicians decide they will budget for an overall increase in procedures to shorten waits the unionized medical workers eat the procedure increases with wage raise demands.

Posted by: Speller | 2008-10-27 3:38:06 PM

If ever there has been a story that sums up just how broken our health care and immigration systems are, it's this one.
Posted by Janet Neilson on October 27, 2008

When oil hits $40 a barrel or lower and you start having mass layoffs in the Alberta tarpits you'll really see how broken the immigration system is when all those "guest" workers refuse to leave. Though Alberta may revert to being a "have not" province and be able to receive equalization. I wonder who will be paying for the equalization though. The usual suspect I suppose.

Posted by: The Stig | 2008-10-27 3:44:15 PM

Your sentiment is understandable Stig, however, we must wish Albertans well, for they may be the last refuge for English Canadians.

Posted by: DJ | 2008-10-27 4:05:59 PM


You are right about us not needing the "temporary" foreign workers any more, but $40/bbl isn't as bad as you make it out to be.


Don't forget this boom we're still in in Alberta started at $20/bbl in the mid '90s and was still going at $20/bbl halfway through '99.

Oil was a $40/bbl in 2003 and we did just fine.

In Alberta's 105 year history it only received a paltry $90 million over a 6 year period.

We'll do just fine, Stig, thanks all the same.
Oh, and your "usual suspect" is the reason Alberta was ever a have-not province even for a short while.

Posted by: Speller | 2008-10-27 4:46:15 PM

Oil was a $40/bbl in 2003 and we did just fine.
Posted by: Speller | 27-Oct-08 4:46:15 PM

I'm glad to hear that, though I suspect Petro-Canada and StatoilHydro aren't. I guess Eddy's royalties won't be what he expected. Nor for that matter for the asshole out in NewfieLand. He'll be crying for equalization soon.



Posted by: The Stig | 2008-10-27 5:11:57 PM

I'm sure you're correct, Stig, that Red Ed's royalties won't be what he expected.
No choo-choo train for Eddie.

I would push my car 10 miles before I would fill up at a PetroCan.
I'm an Albertan and PetroCan was created as a "window" for the Federal Government into the Alberta Energy industry.
It was a tool to buy up energy companies and fix salaries and prices in the field service industry and Alberta professions associated with the industry.

PetroCan erected the tallest building in Calgary like it was Trudeau flipping us a 75 story bird in black-flecked pink granite.

I won't hire someone with PetroCan on their resume' and I won't work with them when I'm consulting either.

Posted by: Speller | 2008-10-27 5:26:01 PM

A whole lot of people moved here since oil was $40/barrel. We've had a huge wave of inflation. Stig is right on the mark about the "guest workers" not leaving. In a few months they'll be going on welfare.

I'm not saying we're going down the tube, just in for some serious corrections. Why else would so many people like Monte Solberg be leaving the ship? The trouble has been brewing for a long time, but when it really hits the fan, the conservatives will end up taking the blame.

Posted by: dp | 2008-10-27 5:26:45 PM

Speaking of break even points, my second largest client informed me they'd be drilling the same number of wells in Saskatchewan next year, as long as natural gas stays above $6/GJ. If prices drop below that, look for some serious slowing in the economies of AB and Sask.

Posted by: dp | 2008-10-27 5:34:29 PM

The settlers from the land mass formerly known as the "usual suspect" is a major part of the reason Alberta is. Pat Burns was born in Oshawa. There is much in common and those driven west by the mass demographic shift in Toronto, no doubt will see it. If the same patterns persist, Ontario is destined for third world status. Only small pockets of Ontario's founding people, in the most remote areas, will remain.

Posted by: DJ | 2008-10-27 5:37:56 PM

Canada has thousands of unemployed home grown able bodied jerks lazing about in our cities doing little or nothing but complaining that they aren't making any money.

What's with the immigration thing. We don't need much of it. Plus we already have a at least a million immigrants who are living in our major cities NOT speaking English. What's with that shit?

I know a doctor and two other medical professionals who have left Canada because working here in the socialist health care system sucks sooooo badly.

Going pretzel over a South African doctor not getting his jelly donut is the least of our problems.

Posted by: John V | 2008-10-27 6:35:24 PM

to get back on topic... meanwhile the immigration department announces about 2 months ago that they are letting in a few hundred AIDS patients. So, where is the consistency?

Posted by: Markalta | 2008-10-27 7:42:10 PM

to get back on topic... meanwhile the immigration department announces about 2 months ago that they are letting in a few hundred AIDS patients. So, where is the consistency?

Posted by: Markalta | 27-Oct-08 7:42:10 PM

Good point Mark...where is the consistency?
I guess we're not supposed to notice the "inconsistency", now are we?

Posted by: JC | 2008-10-27 10:23:45 PM

"... letting in a few hundred AIDS patients."

That's diversity for the sake of diversity all right.

It isn't inconsistent.
Many of us simply make the mistake thinking that our goals are the government's goals.

Yes, the 22 year old girl would be a drain on the health care system, but on the other hand cerebral palsy isn't contagious and HIV is.

Think about it.

Posted by: Speller | 2008-10-28 1:14:20 AM

Sinse this thread seem to have turned towards immigration as its focus, here's a little something from the National Post on the subject:


"Quebecers have said yes to immigration, but they said yes to immigration on the condition that these immigrants integrate into our society," Immigration Minister Yolande James said as she announced the policy, which takes effect in January.

She added that immigrating to Quebec "is a privilege, not a right."

Posted by: J | 2008-10-30 6:32:51 AM

Another good example of why we need to limit immigration.


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