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Wednesday, October 29, 2008

A bill to ban water bottles in Ontario

Bill 112 was introduced by Liberal MPP Kuldip Singh Kular and it passed first reading on October 21st, 2008.  This is explanatory note attached to the Bill;

The purpose of the Bill is to encourage public confidence in the water treated and supplied by municipal water systems and to reduce waste and the     consumption of energy associated with the production and recycling of plastic bottles by proposing a province-wide ban on the sale of single-use plastic bottles of water.

This is what Bill 112 proposes to do about it.

    Prohibition on sale of bottled water

   1.  No person shall sell or offer for sale in Ontario single-use plastic     bottles of water.

Individuals that break this hypothetical law would be facing a fine between $500 and $1500.  Corporations that are in violation would receive a fine of $10 000 for the first offence and $25 000 for repeated offences.  The directors or corporate officers that approve the sale would also receive a fine of up to $1000 and possible imprisonment for 1 year.

Kuldip Singh Kular is the representative for Bramalea-Gore-Malton and he is the Parliamentary Secretary for the Minister of Health and Long Term Care.

Dr. Kular, I officially despise you.

Posted by Hugh MacIntyre on October 29, 2008 in Canadian Provincial Politics | Permalink

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It passed first reading?

Why is it that all my sterotypes of Ontario politicians are repeatedly confirmed?

Epsi

Posted by: epsilon | 2008-10-29 1:29:16 PM


All this shows is that Ontarians have no sense of priorities.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-10-29 1:32:23 PM


How exactly does a single private member's bill show that Pike?

Posted by: Hugh MacIntyre | 2008-10-29 1:42:51 PM


Another gem from the Premier of Bantario. Dogs, pistols, cell phones, GPS units, Blackberries, water bottles; let something remain unbanned, and McGuinty's in there like a dirty shirt. But let an entire town be taken hostage by lawless insurrectionists--he is nowhere to be seen.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2008-10-29 1:49:17 PM


Funny how Walkerton stuck to Harris, even though he wasn't responsible, but Caledonia doesn't stick to McGuinty no matter how long it drags on...It would be a different story if it was in a Toronto suburb, I guarantee you that.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2008-10-29 1:50:48 PM


There is no proposal to ban GPS systems before the Ontario legislature.

Posted by: Hugh MacIntyre | 2008-10-29 2:03:03 PM


There is an apparently well-informed rumour that the Legislature will ban cell phones (including handsfree), GPS systems, or any other "electronic distractors."

I knew we were in for trouble the minute I heard McGuinty say, "Why stop at cell phones? A distraction is a distraction, right?" When it comes to bans, the man is like a kid in a candy store--he simply can't help himself.

He'll be banning carpooling next, because all those passengers talk. Or maybe he'll allow it if all passengers and driver are wearing mouth locks for the duration of the trip.

This man is such a kook that nothing he does surprises me anymore. And the people of Ontario voted for him twice.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2008-10-29 2:19:43 PM


I actually read the bill, it has already been introduced. They don;t ban GPS or hand free cell phones.

Posted by: Hugh MacIntyre | 2008-10-29 2:23:00 PM


Shane,

As someone who believes "The state has the right—nay, the duty—to compel good behaviour from those who do not behave willingly", your comments seem to not make much sense.

Posted by: Q | 2008-10-29 2:44:04 PM


This from the Province that banned smoking in outdoor areas where the umbrellas are less that 1 meter apart.
Kular is nothing more than former Health Minister Smitherman's bum-boy. Although I think purchasing bottled water is supremely stupid, I stand firm in the right that stupid people should be able to purchase it.
As for GPS and other hand-held devices, McGuinty has already stated that it his desire to ban them as well.
Ontario is being micro-managed with all these social restraints while the elephants in the room are being totally ignored.
This is what you get when the government sucks up to the flakes in Ottawa and Toronto and igonores the rest of the Province.

Posted by: atric | 2008-10-29 2:50:02 PM


Hey, Hugh, where can I read that bill? Also, McGuinty was in fact quoted as saying he was interested in banning GPS and handsfree as well as handheld phones. (I remember the audible groan than ensued when I read it and realized it was coming from me.) It's not over until the ink's dry on the legislature. Stay tuned.

Q, perhaps you can tell me how talking with both your hands on the wheel, or looking at a GPS instead of hunting for addresses in darkened carports or overgrown street signs, constitutes misbehaviour? Still, it's a refreshing change of pace from your usual rant of "SHANE WANTS TO PUT HALF OUR KIDS IN JAIL!"

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2008-10-29 4:03:02 PM


It's ironic, then, isn't it, Atric, that most GPS and cell phone users probably live in those two cities? It's enough to make you pine for the glory days under Mike Harris. At least Caledonia wouldn't have dragged on for three years.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2008-10-29 4:04:29 PM


Bottled water has saved a lot of lives since it became so readily available. What happens if there's a weather event, or some other emergency? The rest of the world will be asking people to stock up on bottled water, while people in Toronto will be encouraged to flush twice before filling the canteen. Yes it's overused, but that doesn't mean it's a bad product.

Posted by: dp | 2008-10-29 5:09:49 PM


It's no longer a question of when Ontarians will begin to take responsibility for their disaster of a province, it's "when will someone else do it for them." Pathetic.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-10-29 5:20:36 PM


It's amazing - children are being mass murdered in Toronto and all this fool is interested in is banning bottled water. Oh well, I'm sure he's doing the best he can in racist Apartheid Ontario, where non-whites do not count as human beings.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-10-29 7:11:21 PM


Screw this water bottle garbage! End the situation in Caledonia instead. You have radicals there who illegally seized land, blocked public roads, and attempted to intimidate the local residents. The OPP should be sent in to break it up and arrest the troublemakers. If they resist, then send in ontario-based military units to remove them. This would not be going on this long in the U.S. You would have had FBI and state police units(with armored vehicles and automatic weapons) breaking this up. This stupidity has continued because of political correctness on the part of the governing Ontario Liberals. A troublemaker is killed by police during Mike Harris's premiership and the Liberals raise a stink. A town is held hostage for over a year by radicals and the Liberals just yawn!

Posted by: Terrence | 2008-10-29 8:43:14 PM


Shane, http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/bills/bills_detail.do?locale=en&BillID=2099

Posted by: Hugh MacIntyre | 2008-10-29 9:34:59 PM


Thanks for the link, Hugh. However, McGuinty's comments--as well at the completely off-the-cuff manner in which he made them--are still cause for concern. Self-restraint is not Pretty Boy's strong point.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2008-10-29 11:01:36 PM


It's amazing - children are being mass murdered in Toronto......................
Posted by: Zebulon Punk | 29-Oct-08 7:11:21 PM

What a fucking asshole. The Punk is a great example of why emigration from Canada can sometimes be a good thing. No brain drain in this case.

Posted by: The Stig | 2008-10-29 11:04:23 PM


Every idiotic cause has its champions.McGuinty is a true champion.A real nut magnet.

Posted by: peterj | 2008-10-29 11:59:51 PM


From now on I am calling you the "The Stink".

Posted by: epsilon | 2008-10-30 1:11:57 AM


Perhaps Zeb means, "children are being mass murdered in Toronto" by abortion clinics?

It seems that the only choice that Liberals are interested in protecting is the choice of a woman to kill her unborn child.

Any other choice; to drink bottled water or not, to own a handgun or go to a range and become proficient with a firearm or not, to drive and talk on a cellphone or not, to use an incandescent light bulb or not, is open to banning the choice to participate or opt out of the fashionable political shibboleth of the month.

Posted by: Speller | 2008-10-30 6:54:46 AM


No I meant the recent spate of killings in the Toronto area. It only gets mentioned because one of the victims was white.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-10-30 7:03:27 AM


Perhaps Zeb means, "children are being mass murdered in Toronto" by abortion clinics?
Posted by: Speller | 30-Oct-08 6:54:46 AM

C'mon Speller. There were 10,000 abortions in Alberta last year. Would you not consider that "mass murder"? If you do then is Eddy Stelmach a mass murderer?

Posted by: The Stig | 2008-10-30 8:13:25 AM


No I meant the recent spate of killings in the Toronto area. It only gets mentioned because one of the victims was white.
Posted by: Zebulon Punk | 30-Oct-08 7:03:27 AM

The recent spate of killings? The number of people shot, and the number of people killed in shootings in Toronto 2008 is half what it was in 2007. Compare that with Birmingham Alabama the largest city in the dogshit state you live in. Birmingham Alabama's murder rate is nearly 5 times the national US average and rising.

Posted by: The Stig | 2008-10-30 8:23:10 AM


C'mon, Stig, I was only looking for a reasonable interpretation of Zeb's earlier statement.

Apparently it was a fool's errand.

And though Stelmach is as socialist as McGuinty, my point apart from Zeb's comment was about limiting choices, not equating abortion with mass murder.

Posted by: Speller | 2008-10-30 8:32:50 AM


Q, perhaps you can tell me how talking with both your hands on the wheel, or looking at a GPS instead of hunting for addresses in darkened carports or overgrown street signs, constitutes misbehaviour? Still, it's a refreshing change of pace from your usual rant of "SHANE WANTS TO PUT HALF OUR KIDS IN JAIL!"

-Besides the fact that you do support criminalization of half of our high school students,

It doesnt matter what I, or you think, if you believe, as you do "The state has the right—nay, the duty—to compel good behaviour from those who do not behave willingly".

The state believes it is bad behavior, so we must follow their orders right? Otherwise, you are a dirty, selfish, criminal....?

Posted by: Q | 2008-10-30 8:36:44 AM


To sew two threads together on this, ponder the following.
On the Six nations Reserve ( yes from the good folks that took over Caledonia ) there is a thriving enterprise. It's called Wha-Ta, and just guess what it's raison d'etre is?
Bottling and selling water! In single-use plastic containers! In Ontario, in our streets, as we speak. I'm not making this up!
Any bets on when the McGuintyites are gonna go in and close this place up?

Posted by: atric | 2008-10-30 9:06:35 AM


Q wrote: “Besides the fact that you do support criminalization of half of our high school students…”

Acts, not people, are criminalized, and pot has been illegal for a long time. If people knowingly break the law, they lose the right to whine.

Q wrote: “It doesnt matter what I, or you think, if you believe, as you do "The state has the right—nay, the duty—to compel good behaviour from those who do not behave willingly".”

Still gnawing away on that bone as well? Do you bend paper clips and pull loose threads too?

Q wrote: “The state believes it is bad behavior, so we must follow their orders right? Otherwise, you are a dirty, selfish, criminal....?”

You’ve got it backwards, Q. The state follows OUR orders, meaning a majority of the voting public. If a majority of Canadians wanted marijuana legalized—REALLY wanted it legalized, as opposed to a pie-in-the-sky whim of the wish—they’d vote for a party that would do it. That said, once a government is elected, its function is to pass laws and enforce laws. Or did you think that the government only exists to tax the rich to give to the poor?

It’s clear from the bitter, sullen tone of your posts that you’ve had your nose pushed up against respectable society’s shop window for some time now, wanting in. But if you want in, you have to drop the weed, and stop feeding organized crime. If you can’t be bothered, then we don’t want you. Don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord split you, Q.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2008-10-30 9:20:27 AM


Atric wrote: "Any bets on when the McGuintyites are gonna go in and close this place up?"

Mike Harris has more guts in his left pinkie finger than McGuinty has in his whole body. The natives could probably carve the entire Canadian shield off the province of Ontario and McGuinty wouldn't lift a finger so long as they spared Toronto. I don't expect Torontonians would care much either, at least until their factories went silent for lack of raw materials to process.

The whole City-Hall-blames-Queen's-Park-and-Queen's-Park-Blames-Ottawa relationship has reached new heights of dysfunctionality and uselessness under Miller and McGuinty, and yet Ontarians--Torontonians mostly--re-elected both of them, rather than face the spectre of electing a leader who actually had a spine. They're reaping what they've sown. Hopefully they'll wake up before it's too late, but I dunno.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2008-10-30 9:26:31 AM


P.S. Toronto is increasingly isolated in terms of federal representation too, now that I think of it. NDP as an alternative to the Liberals? Do they WANT to not be represented, a la Danny Williams? Or maybe like Danny Williams, they can demand an honourary cabinet post despite sending no Conservatives to Ottawa, in one of recent politics' most breathtaking displays of chutzpah.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2008-10-30 9:28:44 AM


Even Crouton and Mr. Dithers gave Alberta at least one seat in their cabinets, while Harper gives Toronto none.

GOOD! I suggest building a huge wall around Toronto and forbid its people from leaving.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-10-30 9:36:40 AM


I suggest building a huge wall around Toronto and forbid its people from leaving.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 30-Oct-08 9:36:40 AM

Finally something I agree with Zeb on!!

Posted by: atric | 2008-10-30 9:50:39 AM


Pike, why the hell would we want to leave Toronto?

Posted by: Hugh MacIntyre | 2008-10-30 10:14:11 AM


It's a boring dump that's why! Rich white Ontarians have this need to get out once in a while. If that were stopped, then you people could concentrate your efforts and resources on resolving your city's major problems. I admit that there's a slim chance of that happening but it's better than no chance at all. I'm still not optimistic that you people can, given your racism.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-10-30 10:19:16 AM


Boring? Maybe compared to Vegas or London, but Toronto is one of the funnest places in Canada.

Posted by: Hugh MacIntyre | 2008-10-30 3:33:15 PM


You’ve got it backwards, Q. The state follows OUR orders, meaning a majority of the voting public. If a majority of Canadians wanted marijuana legalized—REALLY wanted it legalized, as opposed to a pie-in-the-sky whim of the wish—they’d vote for a party that would do it.

- Well we already know that a majority of Canadians do want marijuana decriminalized. So you are saying only what is MOST important to people is what we should vote upon, but otherwise the government can decide what is good behavior or bad. Exactly like HRC's? And exactly like the water bottles. Holes in your logic again.

It’s clear from the bitter, sullen tone of your posts that you’ve had your nose pushed up against respectable society’s shop window for some time now, wanting in. But if you want in, you have to drop the weed, and stop feeding organized crime. If you can’t be bothered, then we don’t want you. Don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord split you, Q.

Respectable society? You mean like the 50% of high school children who you already judge as criminals? Or the 50% of Canadians who you believe should have criminal records for their past behavior?

You are so out of touch it's scary. Does your god forgive people so hateful of others?

Posted by: q | 2008-10-30 4:44:46 PM


I live in Northern Ontario and the people here are nothing like in the south in places like Toronto. Zebulon Pike: What is your opinion on Northern Ontario? Are we bad people?


Posted by: NJam101 | 2008-10-31 3:34:02 AM


I hate those plastic water bottles. I prefer to drink almost anything out of glass. For some reason liquids taste better out of glass. I read that Ontario has a good return rate of glass beer bottles so they should have all water in glass too with a deposit. Here is Quebec we do have some water companies that use glass. Perrier from France still does I think. Isn't plastic a petroleum product? That can't be exactly healthy.

Posted by: Tim Trudeau | 2008-10-31 3:37:46 AM


I live in Northern Ontario and the people here are nothing like in the south in places like Toronto. Zebulon Pike: What is your opinion on Northern Ontario? Are we bad people?
Posted by: NJam101 | 31-Oct-08 3:34:02 AM

If you're white and live in Ontario the Punk considers you a Nazi racist and the sooner someone shoots you the better.

Posted by: The Stig | 2008-10-31 7:37:28 AM


Q wrote: “- Well we already know that a majority of Canadians do want marijuana decriminalized. So you are saying only what is MOST important to people is what we should vote upon, but otherwise the government can decide what is good behavior or bad. Exactly like HRC's? And exactly like the water bottles. Holes in your logic again.”

Can’t help yourself, can you? This blog is supposed to be about water bottles in Ontario, but you couldn’t resist carrying the battle over from the other blog. “I AM A ONE-NOTE MAN; I PLAY IT ALL I CAN.” Furthermore, the political situation doesn’t support your argument. If most Canadians want marijuana decriminalized, where are all the Marijuana Party MPs, hmm? I’m beginning to think you ran as one, and got trounced. By the Marxist.

Q wrote: “Respectable society? You mean like the 50% of high school children who you already judge as criminals? Or the 50% of Canadians who you believe should have criminal records for their past behavior?”

We can’t all be respectable, Q. People who pay criminals for illegal product and contribute to violence in their neighbourhoods and around the world are poor candidates for paragons of virtue.

Q wrote: “You are so out of touch it's scary. Does your god forgive people so hateful of others?”

I’m not the one following people from blog to blog and constantly regurgitating the same calumnies again and again, ignoring the blog topic and just sticking two fingers down their throat so they can sick up on their shoes for the sheer spite of it. I think it’s time for your next fix, Q.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2008-10-31 7:55:03 AM


Actually, Tim, liquids taste best out of metal, next best out of glass, and worst out of plastic. That's because metal imparts a tangy metallic taste to liquids, whereas glass is neutral and plastic imparts a plastic taste. Granted the effect is subtle, but it is there.

Want to know the real reason why bottled water apparently tastes so much better than tap water? Because bottled water is chilled just prior to drinking. If you filled a glass with tap water, left in the fridge for an hour, then came back and drank it, it would taste little different than tap water, especially here in Vancouver where most of the water supply is mountain runoff and there are very few minerals in the water.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2008-10-31 7:58:02 AM


Sorry, that should read: "it would taste little different from BOTTLED water."

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2008-10-31 7:58:50 AM


Metal is better than plastic for sure but I guess I prefer glass because it doesn't seem to affect the taste of the water. You are correct that people drink bottled water because it is chilled. I live in Northern Quebec and have many springs in my backyard so I have a supply that is cold year round. Someone I know in my town is seriously considering getting into the water bottling business on the Cree territory with help from outside investment. We discussed the pros and cons of glass vs. plastic. An informal survey was done and almost everyone here prefers glass. The main advantage of plastic is weight of course. Personally I would prefer to go back to the old days of glass bottles for personal sized drinks with a deposit system.

I believe Prince Edward Island only allowed glass containers for pop until recently. I'm wondering what people there think as they now have cans and plastic bottles. Are they seeing more garbage lying around?

Posted by: Tim Trudeau | 2008-10-31 12:04:21 PM


"Boring? Maybe compared to Vegas or London, but Toronto is one of the funnest places in Canada."

...

What ?
You've stopped rolling off the pavments at 9pm ?
Don't tell me you guys have learned how to hold alcohol...?
Or maybe you're talking about your great hockey and football teams ? nah, can't be that.

"I suggest building a huge wall around Toronto and forbid its people from leaving."
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 30-Oct-08 9:36:40 AM

How about filling the thing with water...?

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Ok I confess, it's friday and I'm just bored.

Posted by: Marc | 2008-10-31 12:41:37 PM


Ha! Marc I'd drink you under the table with a bottle of Scotch without so much as a slurred word.

Posted by: Hugh MacIntyre | 2008-10-31 12:47:42 PM


You've stopped rolling off the pavments at 9pm ?
Posted by: Marc | 31-Oct-08 12:41:37 PM

Rolling off the pavements?

Any more bridges / overpasses collapsed in Montreal recently? I notice most are being held up with scaffolding.

Posted by: The Stig | 2008-10-31 12:57:26 PM


Anytime, Hugh.
Enjoy your weekend.

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Stig,
You're nothing else than a cheap shot bastard.
Congrats for the asshole award of the week...again.

Posted by: Marc | 2008-10-31 1:05:13 PM


Stig,
You're nothing else than a cheap shot bastard.
Congrats for the asshole award of the week...again.
Posted by: Marc | 31-Oct-08 1:05:13 PM

Bwahahahahahahahahaha.

Posted by: The Stig | 2008-10-31 1:23:27 PM


Shane, I quote:Q. The state follows OUR orders, meaning a majority of the voting public.
If this was the case we would have capital punishment. No?

Posted by: peterj | 2008-11-01 6:03:28 PM



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