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Friday, September 26, 2008

The Left Myth

Now that it's clear that the Liberal's do not have a chance in hell of overcoming the support deficit between themselves and the Conservatives, Liberals are just throwing in the towel and calling for all-out, strategic voting by the left.

This is particularly interesting for two reasons.

One, it's showing the ultimate breakdown of the Liberal Party's fundamental spine: loyalty to the party.  I mean, once a proud party like the Liberal Party of Canada starts begging Canadians to just, well... vote for anyone who can beat Stephen Harper, then you know it's all over.   The party is bereft of morale, lacking in ethics, and–as the final nail in the coffin–soon to be bankrupt financially, too.  Bye, bye, Liberal Party. 

Second, the idea that all Liberal Party voters would break for the NDP is one of the funniest things I've ever heard.  I live in Toronto, and one of the biggest Liberal voting blocks, quite honestly, is the Bay Street business crowd, the Rosedale dwellers. 

These people vote for the Liberal Party out of tradition, and believe in them as the moderate choice.  Do they really think that this block of support is going to break for the social democrats, who demonize how profitable their businesses are as a fundamental plank of their platform?

That being said, I would garner a guess that the Conservatives are the second choice to the Liberals for most Ontarians (and vice-versa), save a few particular working-class rydings that have a traditional allegiance to the NDP.

The Liberal Party is also going out full-tilt, and calling itself a "left-wing" party.  It's no longer calling itself a moderate party.  And I hate to say it, but they have played right into Stephen Harper's hands here.  They've set themselves on a course for the fringes.   Now their anger, hatred and resentment of Stephen Harper has them flagellating out of control to the point where there may be no return from the damage that's been done.

I don't think that most Canadians consider themselves left-wing.  Most consider themselves moderate.  Most Canadians see left and right as two extremes they want no part in.  And now, the Liberals have effectively made Stephen Harper the most moderate choice.

If it becomes clear that the NDP and Liberal Party are planning a coalition government to evict Stephen Harper from 24 Sussex, it would not surprise me if the Conservative Party support surged into the mid-to-high forties in the polls, and Harper returned a Mulroney-like majority.

Canadians are neither as left as the political left likes to believe, nor are they as right–as much to my chagrin–some of us on the right want them to be. 

What Stephen Harper has effectively done is completely appropriate this cozy middle, and now the Liberal Party is struggling to redefine itself in far off lefty-land.  And hey, good luck with that!

Posted by Mike Brock on September 26, 2008 in Canadian Politics | Permalink

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"I live in Toronto, and one of the biggest Liberal voting blocks, quite honestly, is the Bay Street business crowd, the Rosedale dwellers."

The WS bloggers/commentariat appear to live a different history than the unwashed masses.

1978/10/16 CROMBIE, David 18,732 P.C.
1979 Crombie
1980 Crombie
1984 Crombie
1988 MacDonald, David in a squeaker over Bill Graham
1993 Graham

Of course now the demographics of the riding have changed enormously, ensuring for all time that it will never again be Tory blue. Demographics is destiny.

"Toronto Centre covers the heart of downtown Toronto. The riding contains notable areas such as Rosedale (one of Canada's wealthiest enclaves), Regent Park (Canada's first and largest social housing development), St. Jamestown (a largely immigrant area and the most densely populated neighbourhood in Canada), Cabbagetown, Church and Wellesley (Canada's largest gay community), and most of the business district of the city.

Ethnic groups: 57.9% White, 9.1% Black, 8.6% South Asian, 8.3% Chinese, 5.2% Filipino, 1.9% Korean, 1.9% Southeast Asian, Latin American 1.8%, Arab 1.1%. (~36% vismin)

Religions: 25.8% Catholic, 22.0% Protestant, 7.6% Muslim, 4.7% Other Christian , 3.9% Hindu, 3.1% Jewish, 3.0% Christian Orthodox, 2.3% Buddhist, 26.8% No religious affiliation"

Posted by: DJ | 2008-09-26 1:47:34 PM


Who gives a s**t what Toronto lefties think?

They're out of touch with the ordinary Canadian.

Are you suggesting vismin's would not like to keep more of their own money instead of giving it to strangers, who will make their spending decisions for them? That's the kind of crap they came to Canada to escape.

Nanos would disagree with you, anyway. His poll says the Conservatives are now slightly ahead of the Liberals in Toronto.

I tend to believe him.

Posted by: set you free | 2008-09-26 2:41:32 PM


"Nanos would disagree with you, anyway. His poll says the Conservatives are now slightly ahead of the Liberals in Toronto.

I tend to believe him."

Doesn't that play into my point? I don't get what you're saying.

Posted by: Mike Brock | 2008-09-26 2:43:20 PM


"Are you suggesting vismin's would not like to keep more of their own money instead of giving it to strangers, who will make their spending decisions for them?"

How else do you interpret a voting pattern that favours the LPC for 70% of that community? Obviously tax relief is not on the top of their list.

Posted by: DJ | 2008-09-26 2:59:07 PM


http://chrisvanoostveen.blogspot.com/2007/02/dions-faustian-deals.html

But now, the truth comes out. In fact, the Liberal Party picked Dion (by only 9%...) because of a handful of disgraceful, pathetic backroom deals with ethnic Sikh, Tamil, and Muslim voting blocs at the convention to destroy Canada's anti-terror legislation:

"Among veteran Liberal insiders, it is believed that the several hundred Sikh convention delegates Bains and his allies led into the Dion camp (via Gerard Kennedy) came with a price: an end to the investigative powers contained in the Anti-Terrorism Act, which was opposed for predictable reasons by various Sikh, Tamil and Muslim organizations.

Indeed, I am informed by a well-informed source that the critical deals were cut months in advance, and were driven by Bains -- and, in the case of Muslim delegates, by Arab-Canadian MP Omar Alghabra -- through Kennedy, who'd been staked out early by ethno-politicians as an empty vessel into which they could pour their parochial agendas."

Posted by: DJ | 2008-09-26 3:08:00 PM


The problem is Harper is becoming a lefty along with them - he, now, in Liberal fashion, said BC will be prohibited from drilling off its own coast for oil. How Liberal of Harper.

Posted by: Faramir | 2008-09-26 3:26:23 PM


My apologies to gays, lesbians, aboriginals,immigrants,artists,activists, special interest groups and wannabees.
My household pays about $40,000/annum to suport your rights, activities ,and other neccesary expenses,(roads,police, schools,ambulance,fire protection,allegedly safe food and water.)
For the priveledge of being the bad guys the two of us typically work 90+ hours/week.
Please recognize that my future as a skilled,tax burdened,overworked redneck,will directly impact your future as well.
The USA will drag us down as sure as the titanic and I dont know how deep the water is.
Harper is the only hope I have of remaining fully employed in the imediate future.
Goodluck and judgement to all of us.
Don Hallam.

Posted by: Don Hallam | 2008-09-26 3:45:15 PM


My apologies to gays, lesbians, aboriginals,immigrants,artists,activists, special interest groups and wannabees.
My household pays about $40,000/annum to suport your rights, activities ,and other neccesary expenses,(roads,police, schools,ambulance,fire protection,allegedly safe food and water.)
For the priveledge of being the bad guys the two of us typically work 90+ hours/week.
Please recognize that my future as a skilled,tax burdened,overworked redneck,will directly impact your future as well.
The USA will drag us down as sure as the titanic and I dont know how deep the water is.
Harper is the only hope I have of remaining fully employed in the imediate future.
Goodluck and judgement to all of us.
Don Hallam.


Posted by: Don Hallam | 26-Sep-08 3:45:15 PM


Amen (90%) That!
Harper as bad as the rest of them when held under bright light. But you're bang on with the rest.

Posted by: JC | 2008-09-26 7:42:56 PM


Don:

Canadian stock market got clobbered today.

US market was up.

Are Canadians more pessimistic ... or are the Americans plowing money into the stock market because they know the Republican Party is sticking up for the taxpayer?

Canadians tend to believe the big government solution is the best.

All Americans have to do is remind themselves of the first three world of their constitution to know how they're going to rise to the top of the world again: WE THE PEOPLE.

The Canadian elites got their tutus in a knot when Alberta wanted to put ‘Strong and Free' on their license plates, saying it sounded too American.

Guess the angry left have never sung the Canadian national anthem.


Posted by: set you free | 2008-09-26 8:11:15 PM


Nothing is what it seems
everything is as it seems
it is up to you to discover your self
there are no other prophets.
The Americans are ,well, Americans.
There was a time when Barry Manillow was believeable.
That time has passed.
Don.

Posted by: Don Hallam | 2008-09-26 10:58:34 PM


"Now their anger, hatred and resentment of Stephen Harper has them flagellating out of control to the point where there may be no return from the damage that's been done."

I don't think flagellating is the right word there Mike -- although given the proclivities of some Liberals it can't be entirely ruled out.

More seriously, I agree with your main point. There are probably more New Democrats ready to vote Liberal "strategically" than there are Liberals willing to vote NDP.

Posted by: CJ | 2008-09-28 12:56:49 AM


I am watching the debate at the moment and was carefully conservative before.
Is looking directly into the camera and appearing on the verge of tears (Dion) a clever manipulation, or actual conviction?
I can dismiss Layton easily as he offends all of my ... trying to sell me crap...used car sales senses.
I would like to vote Gilles Duceppe, obviously the most intelligent and considered of the bunch,but I cannot.
I am left with the choice of naive sincerity or quiet quid pro quo.
Opinions required .
Thanks, Don.


Posted by: Don Hallam | 2008-10-02 8:54:20 PM



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