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Friday, September 26, 2008

More 9/11 trutherism: NDP candidate Bev Collins gets called out by the Liberals in BC

The Liberals have issued the following press release in British Columbia, entitled "NDP running conspiracy theorist," subtitled "Bev Collins views insulting to victims of 9-11":

"Jack Layton must be held to account for approving the candidacy of Bev Collins, a high profile conspiracy theorist and former Canadian Action Party (CAP) President and NDP candidate in Cariboo-Prince George.

Sadly, it appears that the NDP didn’t do any research when they recruited this controversial candidate, who even speaks at “9/11truth conferences.” When confronted with the possibility by the Vancouver Sun yesterday, NDP campaign manager Gerry Scott was quoted as saying “I’m sure she doesn’t believe that” (Vancouver Sun, 24 September 2008)

Here are the facts:

There are countless hours of video and audio that show exactly what Bev Collins really believes. (Links and transcripts attached) The local print media has also reported extensively on what Bev Collins believes. For example:

“With Rumsfeld, Rove, and now Gonzales out of the way, Bush is losing his support base faster than he can say Al-Qaida. Now officials are warning their fellow Americans and the world that Cheney and friends are planning to launch a 9/11-style attack on American soil within the coming months to bring about martial law and keep their hold on power. This could be ignored as a conspiracy, except for the high-calibre people who signed on to this public written warning including a former colonel and congresswoman.”

-Running for cover from all the conspiracy theories,” Prince George Citizen (31 August 2007)

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“The CAP [Canadian Action Party, of which Collins was president] is launching an independent internal investigation,” she said. There’s so much complicity and questions surrounding that day. And now we’re being stripped of our rights and freedoms with anti-terrorism laws, rules and regulations

“Collins’ party happy with turnout North American union, potential war hot topics,” Cariboo Press (21 October 2007)

QUESTIONS:

Was Jack Layton aware of Ms. Collins’ views prior to her becoming an NDP candidate?

If not, now that Jack Layton has this information, will he repudiate or endorse the extreme views of this candidate?"

Read their backgrounder on this issue here

h/t National Newswatch

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Political correctness run amok...

The conservatives are turfing candidates who hold conservative values... ...the leftist parties (greens, libs and NDP) are turfing candidates because they're nuts...

This election is really turning into a contest where the last man standing wins.

Posted by: Richard Evans | 2008-09-26 6:01:11 PM


I'll say this: 9/11 Truther ideas are ridiculous nonsense, but they're more thought out than NDP, Liebral and Green policies, especially Kyoto.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-09-26 6:27:32 PM


"Was Jack Layton aware of Ms. Collins’ views prior to her becoming an NDP candidate?

If not, now that Jack Layton has this information, will he repudiate or endorse the extreme views of this candidate?"

bwahahahaha!

Jack Layton's whole raison d'etre is extreme views.

NORAD bad. NATO bad. NAFTA bad. HRCs good.

The guy is about as solid and satisfying as a can of alphabet soup.

Heck, he even believes AGW is a threat. How much more ridiculous can you be and still be sentient?

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2008-09-26 6:54:19 PM


What's with all these second guessing of what someone has said in the past? As if the bland who have said nothing, made no apparent false steps are perfect for us to vote for.

I want a human bean who is fallible, admits it and moves on, a mensch that has made errors and corrected them, learned from them. I want people who don't claim to be perfect and are lying to me.

I want a lot of stuff out there to judge them by, mistakes and all. It's as if the morons we had poorly governing us for a century were so frigging perfect that we need more of them.

These are idiots who have no history of mistakes. They will make big ones on your behalf.

Posted by: budoracle | 2008-09-27 1:44:50 AM


As a 9/11 truther living in Germany, and son of Holocaust victims, I find it offensive that people who search for the truth on one of the greatest crimes of this century should be smeared. It is an uncontroversial fact that the US Government, obligated under international law to effectively investigate mass killings committed under its jurisdiction, has failed to do so. It has actually attempted to prevent an investigation of 9/11, gagged witnesses, destroyed forensic evidence and failed to produce any evidence in support of its allegations that 19 Muslims boarded four airliners that they hijacked and flew into their deaths. These facts can be discovered by any trainee journalist and any amateur investigator. Humanity should be grateful to those independent individuals who dare to say that the King is naked.

Posted by: Elias Davidsson | 2008-09-27 6:51:11 AM


As a 9/11 truther living in Germany, and son of Holocaust victims, I find it offensive that people who search for the truth on one of the greatest crimes of this century should be smeared.

Posted by: Elias Davidsson | 27-Sep-08 6:51:11 AM

Holocaust? What holocaust?

Posted by: dp | 2008-09-27 7:18:06 AM


Humanity should be grateful to those independent individuals who dare to say that the King is naked.

Posted by: Elias Davidsson | 27-Sep-08 6:51:11 AM


Hear Hear! Elias you are absolutely correct.
The US Government has failed its due diligence test on every level. It has suppressed information. It has confiscated cameras that might have shown the reality of events.
Witness testimony, given a chance, would throw serious doubt on most of the "evidence" provided by the MSM.
The "official" story is so full of holes its sickening. Unless of course you are gullible enough to ignore all the basic laws of physics and common sense.
Apparently "we can't handle the truth".

Posted by: JC | 2008-09-27 7:19:55 AM


Occasionally on this blog you will see a display of ignorance and hatred that reaches a low, so contemptible that it is beyond description and warrants only the act of spitting on the ground in absolute disgust. Here is a perfect example:

Holocaust? What holocaust?
Posted by: dp | 27-Sep-08 7:18:06 AM

Posted by: JC | 2008-09-27 7:28:58 AM


You are a moron JC. Of course I believe in the holocaust. A monkey could see the sarcasm in that comment.

I was simply pointing out the irony of a so-called holocaust victim buying into the idiotic theory that the Jews are somehow complicit in the 9/11 attacks. What kind of Judas would go along with such an insane movement?

JC- kiss my ass you tool.

Posted by: dp | 2008-09-27 7:39:40 AM


It is really too bad that people can't understand that the business of 9/11 is about taking rights away from citizens, criminalizing dissent, and seizing, control of foreign (Middle East, Canada, Mexico...) energy supplies. The mainstream media has done an excellent job of brainwashing the public when someone who asks for truth is considered "far out" or "extreme". The sad thing is that the NDP as an opposition party with seats has done absolutely nothing to oppose the real issues at hand in this election: the Security Prosperity Partnership, NAFTA, or the brewing energy war against Iran.

Posted by: J.E. | 2008-09-27 7:40:58 AM


I was simply pointing out the irony of a so-called holocaust victim buying into the idiotic theory that the Jews are somehow complicit in the 9/11 attacks. What kind of Judas would go along with such an insane movement?

JC- kiss my ass you tool.

Posted by: dp | 27-Sep-08 7:39:40 AM

You pointed out Nothing. You made a comment in black and white that represents zero sarcasm.
It says what it says, period.
If you want make an apology for your assinine statement, so be it.
Otherwise, try and demonstrate some good taste.

Posted by: JC | 2008-09-27 7:46:31 AM


"You pointed out Nothing. You made a comment in black and white that represents zero sarcasm."

The electrostatic perceptualizer in your tin-foil hat appears to be out of balance. Take it off for a few minutes and you'll see quite clearly that dp is correct.

Posted by: Richard Evans | 2008-09-27 9:16:02 AM


The electrostatic perceptualizer in your tin-foil hat appears to be out of balance. Take it off for a few minutes and you'll see quite clearly that dp is correct.

Posted by: Richard Evans | 27-Sep-08 9:16:02 AM

Listen up, fully programmed, incapable of individual / critical thinking, government drone...
You go ahead and goose step with the crowd. I want some truth in leadership. Not the lies we're being fed. But here again you have a perfect right to stick your head in the sand
and I personally endorse your right to be narrow minded and your freedom to believe what you're told to believe.
Have a good day. :)

Posted by: JC | 2008-09-27 9:27:14 AM


This is Zionofascism at it's most eggregious, the liberals just dumped a candidate that wrote an article exposing Israeli foreknowledge in 911.

If you dig deeper the links are even more plain, until you realize that the biggest suspects are indeed the Israelis. 100s of Israeli spies were arrested after 911 by the FBI, then ordered let go.

Google 'zionofascism' and you will be brought to a site that will show you how badly Canadians politics have been perverted by Zionist fanatics like the CJC and Bnai Brith, who cover for Israeli terrorism. You will see the Fox News report on the Israeli spies after 911, a report that was squashed by the CJC.

The CJC recently applauded the Liberals for dumping Lesley Hughes for writing about the Odigo instant message warnings received by Israelis in the WTC. I am sure the CJC and Zionist fascists across the land are happy about the ideological cleansing sought at the expense of the truth.

Israel is a terrorist state, those who support it, especially to the extent of silencing those who expose it, should be suspect. Perhaps they should go to Israel.

Posted by: Anarchore | 2008-09-27 9:51:22 AM


Correction, it was the US ADL that squashed Cameron's Fox News report, not the Canadian CJC. Let's stop the Zionofascists, you're with us or you're with the terrorists.

Posted by: Anarchore | 2008-09-27 9:54:40 AM


Posted by: Richard Evans | 27-Sep-08 9:16:02 AM
Posted by: dp | 27-Sep-08 7:39:40 AM

Listen guys, I'm almost always in agreement with dp. So imagine my surprise when I saw what I thought was a very nasty comment...in black and white.
Perhaps we should all consider how it is that black and white does not convey "inflection" very well. Perhaps mine was a knee jerk reaction.
Have a better day.

Posted by: JC | 2008-09-27 10:30:18 AM


"Anachore", get your facts straight. Odigo was not in the WTC complex at all (four blocks away). The "warning" came by IM two hours before the attacks, and no one was evacuated. In fact, the person on the receiving end of the bizarre message was in Israel, not New York. Furthermore, the "warning" makes no mention of the WTC at all:

"Without going into details, the message was most noteworthy due to the timing, not due to the substance of the 'warning.' It could easily be coincidence"

Nothing here proves foreknowlegde on anyone's part. It's laughable that you clowns (JC, too) parrot the most ridiculous conspiracy claims without question and then lecture everyone else on "thinking for yourself" - give your own advice a try some time.

Posted by: no twoof for you | 2008-09-27 10:48:30 AM


Nothing here proves foreknowlegde on anyone's part. It's laughable that you clowns (JC, too) parrot the most ridiculous conspiracy claims without question and then lecture everyone else on "thinking for yourself" - give your own advice a try some time.

Posted by: no twoof for you | 27-Sep-08 10:48:30 AM


There are volumes of information available that totally put into question the official story.
All I'm suggesting is that there should be a real inquiry, not the dog and pony show we were given as the "truth". Even the members of the 911 commission themselves are each and every one suspect in their political and corporate ties...

There is no way we have been given the truth. The physical evidence alone confirms that.

Posted by: JC | 2008-09-27 10:59:45 AM


It's a conspiracy, I tells ya.

Posted by: set you free | 2008-09-27 11:33:12 AM


ntfy, here is Ha'aretz, the Israeli newspaper, with the Odigo warning story: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744

Whatever backpedaling was done by Zionists after the fact, the article says that Odigo workers were warned about the WTC, and I quote:

"Odigo says workers were warned of attack
By Yuval Dror

Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack... "

..So maybe you should get YOUR facts straight, (not so)smart boy.

But I guess we will never find out who did send the messages, just like we won't ever find out what those Israeli spies living next to the 'hijackers' in Florida, nor those arrested in NYC, were up to.

Posted by: Anarchore | 2008-09-27 12:11:53 PM


Physical evidence, JC? Laws of phyics? Perhaps you can give us all a lesson. Or, perhaps you can give these professors ( http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf ) a lesson - not to mention the editorial board at the Journal of Engineering Mechanics.

Here's some more you can tackle afterwards:

Bazant, Z.P., & Zhou, Y.
"Addendum to 'Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? - Simple Analysis" (pdf)
Journal of Engineering Mechanics v. 128, no. 3, (2002): 369-370.

Brannigan, F.L.
"WTC: Lightweight Steel and High-Rise Buildings"
Fire Engineering v.155, no. 4, (2002): 145-150.

Clifton, Charles G.
Elaboration on Aspects of the Postulated Collapse of the World Trade Centre Twin Towers
HERA: Innovation in Metals. 2001. 13 December 2001.

"Construction and Collapse Factors"
Fire Engineering v.155, no. 10, (2002): 106-108.

Corbett, G.P.
"Learning and Applying the Lessons of the WTC Disaster"
Fire Engineering v.155, no. 10, (2002.): 133-135.

"Dissecting the Collapses"
Civil Engineering ASCE v. 72, no. 5, (2002): 36-46.

Eagar, T.W., & Musso, C.
"Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation"
JOM v. 53, no. 12, (2001): 8-12.

A suggested cause of the fire-induced collapse of the World Trade Towers. By: Quintiere, J.G.; di Marzo, M.; Becker, R.. Fire Safety Journal, Oct2002, Vol. 37 Issue 7, p707, 10p.

Impact of the Boeing 767 Aircraft into the World Trade Center. By: Karim, Mohammed R.; Fatt, Michelle S. Hoo. Journal of Engineering Mechanics, Oct2005, Vol. 131 Issue 10, p1066-1072.

Could the world trade center have been modified to prevent its collapse?; Newland, D. E.; Cebon, D. Journal of Engineering Mechanics; 2002 Vol. 128 Issue 7, p795-800, 6p.

How the airplane wing cut through the exterior columns of the World Trade Center; Wierzbicki, T.; Teng, X. International Journal of Impact Engineering; 2003 Vol. 28, p601-625, 25p

Stability of the World Trade Center Twin Towers Structural Frame in Multiple Floor Fires. By: Usmani, A. S.. Journal of Engineering Mechanics, Jun2005, Vol. 131 Issue 6, p654-657.

Structural Responses of World Trade Center under Aircraft Attacks. Omika, Yukihiro.; Fukuzawa, Eiji.; Koshika, Norihide. Journal of Structural Engineering v. 131 no1 (January 2005) p. 6-15

The Structural Steel of the World Trade Center Towers. Gayle, Frank W.; Banovic, Stephen W.; Foecke, Tim. Advanced Materials & Processes v. 162 no10 (October 2004) p. 37-9

WTC Findings Uphold Structural Design. Post, Nadine M. ENR v. 253 no17 (November 1 2004) p. 10-11

"World Trade Center Collapse-Civil Engineering Considerations" Monahan, B., Practice Periodical on Structural Design and Construction v. 7, no. 3, (2002): 134-135.

Ming Wang, Peter Chang, James Quintiere, and Andre Marshall "Scale Modeling of the 96th Floor of World Trade Center Tower 1" Journal of Performance of Constructed Facilities Volume 21, Issue 6, pp. 414-421


We're all eagerly awaiting your response.

Posted by: no twoof for you | 2008-09-27 12:11:55 PM


Ya know...I suppose I could also waste my day looking for selective things on the internet and counter everything you've put up here.

But I will point out one thing.
Even the name you use is indicative of the way things are.
"no twoof(truth?) for you" That's right...no truth. Not for me or anyone else.
Enjoy your box.

Posted by: JC | 2008-09-27 12:19:25 PM


Does that mean we don't get a lesson in the laws of physics?

You're the one making big claims, JC - how about some evidence?

Posted by: no twoof for you | 2008-09-27 1:56:10 PM


I personally know several victim's family members and they all support 9/11 truth. 70% of the victim's family members question's were NEVER answered by the Bush appointed cover up commission. The victim's family mebers are the ones who pushed for a commission and it finally happened 441 days later with Henry kissinger appointed as the head. You people have obviously not spoken to anyone who was at the towers in NY on 9/11/01 or any victim's family members. Watch the film "ZERO: An investigation into 9/11" to see interviews of victim's family members like Bob McIlvaine and Manny Badillo. Do some research first before posting.

Posted by: Tosh Suo | 2008-09-28 4:54:02 PM


JC- I shouldn't have joked about the holocaust. I guess I'll never get elected to parliament.

Posted by: dp | 2008-09-28 5:08:23 PM


people that ASSUME that the 911 truth movement has any anti semitic sentiments are just prejudiced biggots themselves. people that ASSUME Jack Layton would be ashamed to have someone in his party that ask hard questions.. same deal.. it is an undeniable fact that the US has plotted and carried out false flag attacks, and endlessly mislead it's people.. causing the needless loss of trillions of dollars and millions of lives. look up 'project northwoods' or 'paperclip CIA' or the 'gulf of tonkin incident' and see what they admit! now imagine what kind of stuff these people do that they wont admit..

the fact that there is a debate about this on this forum, proves that there are unanswered questions that werent covered in the 3 million dollar omission report.. btw the canadian gov't has never been given a single piece of evidence or information linking Osama to 911. FACT.

Posted by: kevin | 2008-09-29 5:33:17 PM


This conspiracy theory is certainly the most heinous in recent history. The grassy knoll theory was small potatoes compared to this one. Even hinting that any American leader would be a part of the murder of 3000 citizens is beyond stupid, it's evil. It really is on the same level as denying the holocaust.

Posted by: dp | 2008-09-29 5:54:26 PM


dp: well said. Many accused FDR of allowing the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor. None could ever admit why he would want them to do it. They had a political agenda in which such a scenario made sense. Same goes for 9/11, even though the attack was caught on live TV. It is truly on par with Holocaust Denial.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-09-29 6:23:40 PM


Kevin, you are the perfect example of an utterly clueless "twoofer". No evidence linking Bin Laden to 9/11? Let's see...

http://www.mepc.org/journal_vol10/alqaeda.html
A statement from qaidat al-jihad regarding the mandates of the heroes and the legality of the operations in New York and Washington (Apr. 24, 2002)

http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2002-09/10/article02.shtml
Describing the attacks as “the New York and Washington raids,” Bin Laden praised “the men who changed the course of history and cleansed the (Arab-Islamic) nation from the filth of treacherous rulers and their subordinates.”

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/12/13/tape.transcript/
Those youth who conducted the operations did not accept any fiqh in the popular terms, but they accepted the fiqh that the prophet Muhammad brought. Those young men (...inaudible...) said in deeds, in New York and Washington, speeches that overshadowed all other speeches made everywhere else in the world. The speeches are understood by both Arabs and non-Arabs-even by Chinese. It is above all the media said. Some of them said that in Holland, at one of the centers, the number of people who accepted Islam during the days that followed the operations were more than the people who accepted Islam in the last eleven years. I heard someone on Islamic radio who owns a school in America say: "We don't have time to keep up with the demands of those who are asking about Islamic books to learn about Islam." This event made people think (about true Islam) which benefited Islam greatly.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/23/AR2006052301262.html
The fugitive al-Qaeda leader issued a videotape yesterday in which he claims that Moussaoui had "no connection whatsoever with the events of September 11" and that he knows this because "I was responsible for entrusting the 19 brothers, Allah have mercy upon them, with those raids."

http://www.worldpress.org/Americas/1964.cfm
If so, then let (Bush) explain to us why we don't strike for example - Sweden? And we know that freedom-haters don't possess defiant spirits like those of the 19 - may Allah have mercy on them.


http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/13/911.hijacker/index.html
Al Qaeda identified a Saudi militant, who was killed in 2004, as the 20th hijacker in the September 11, 2001, attack on the United States, according to a statement published Tuesday on an Islamist Web site. "Turki bin Fheid al-Muteiri -- Fawaz al-Nashmi -- may God accept him as a martyr (was) the one chosen by Sheikh Osama bin Laden to be the martyrdom-seeker number 20 in the raid on September 11, 2001," the statement said

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP204508

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1938283,00.html

http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=850

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2007/03/200852514111841209.html

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=3e78b179-945b-4abf-98df-b316bdfa8f0f

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/apr/16/september11.usa2

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/02/05/binladen.transcript/index.html

Yes, I suppose if you completely ignore all of that then I guess there is no evidence linking Bin Laden to 9/11

Posted by: no twoof for you | 2008-09-30 9:21:33 AM


The truth is a bitter pill to swallow, which is what the instigators of national emergencies count on to hide behind. Any thinking person with access to the internet cannot help but see huge gaping holes in the theories attempting to explain miraculous terrorist acts. The killing of JFK. Pearl Harbor. Christianity. Organized religion of all stripes. Invasion of Iraq. Invasion of Afghanistan. And of course, the collapse of 3 towers in perfect symmetry, one being untouched by any appropriate force whatsoever. A twin turbine aircraft with indestructible titanium engine parts being completely destroyed without a single video surveillance tape surfacing...
Sadly, 80% of the population is on the left side of the bell curve all the time. The 20% of us that can think for ourselves, who realize that following the money is still the only way to explain why rational people will sacrifice their young to those few who benefit monetarily, are the losers. The ignorant among us will never read a post, much less a book. They are in control of our present situation. Evil lives. It is the weakness of ignorance that will kill us all.

Posted by: Bitter Pill | 2008-09-30 11:15:47 AM


The truth is a bitter pill to swallow, which is what the instigators of national emergencies count on to hide behind. Any thinking person with access to the internet cannot help but see huge gaping holes in the theories attempting to explain miraculous terrorist acts. The killing of JFK. Pearl Harbor. Christianity. Organized religion of all stripes. Invasion of Iraq. Invasion of Afghanistan. And of course, the collapse of 3 towers in perfect symmetry, one being untouched by any appropriate force whatsoever. A twin turbine aircraft with indestructible titanium engine parts being completely destroyed without a single video surveillance tape surfacing...
Sadly, 80% of the population is on the left side of the bell curve all the time. The 20% of us that can think for ourselves, who realize that following the money is still the only way to explain why rational people will sacrifice their young to those few who benefit monetarily, are the losers. The ignorant among us will never read a post, much less a book. They are in control of our present situation. Evil lives. It is the weakness of ignorance that will kill us all.

Posted by: Bitter Pill | 2008-09-30 11:16:57 AM


9/11 Press for Truth is a brilliant film that chronicles the plight of 9/11 family members search for answers from the Government. Surprise, they are denied in all aspects.

I highly recommend it to all.

Did 19 arabs from caves really highjack 4 planes... and crash into the WT towers a full hour apart... and crash into the best-defended building in the world without any help? While no one did anything to stop it?

What sounds more plausible, given the constant lying and cover-up MO of the Bush administration?

Posted by: Captain | 2008-10-01 12:06:08 AM


Does anyone reading this thread and a couple of others have any more questions about the unbelievable freaks who walk among us?

And this from a supposed educated and "enlightened" populace.

Shocking, and sickening.

Posted by: deepblue | 2008-10-01 12:49:56 AM


Kevin, you are the perfect example of an utterly clueless "twoofer". No evidence linking Bin Laden to 9/11? Let's see...

There's this:
A statement from qaidat al-jihad regarding the mandates of the heroes and the legality of the operations in New York and Washington

This:
Describing the attacks as “the New York and Washington raids,” Bin Laden praised “the men who changed the course of history and cleansed the (Arab-Islamic) nation from the filth of treacherous rulers and their subordinates.”

This:
Those youth who conducted the operations did not accept any fiqh in the popular terms, but they accepted the fiqh that the prophet Muhammad brought. Those young men (...inaudible...) said in deeds, in New York and Washington, speeches that overshadowed all other speeches made everywhere else in the world. The speeches are understood by both Arabs and non-Arabs-even by Chinese. It is above all the media said. Some of them said that in Holland, at one of the centers, the number of people who accepted Islam during the days that followed the operations were more than the people who accepted Islam in the last eleven years. I heard someone on Islamic radio who owns a school in America say: "We don't have time to keep up with the demands of those who are asking about Islamic books to learn about Islam." This event made people think (about true Islam) which benefited Islam greatly.

This:
The fugitive al-Qaeda leader issued a videotape yesterday in which he claims that Moussaoui had "no connection whatsoever with the events of September 11" and that he knows this because "I was responsible for entrusting the 19 brothers, Allah have mercy upon them, with those raids."

This:
If so, then let (Bush) explain to us why we don't strike for example - Sweden? And we know that freedom-haters don't possess defiant spirits like those of the 19 - may Allah have mercy on them.

This:
Al Qaeda identified a Saudi militant, who was killed in 2004, as the 20th hijacker in the September 11, 2001, attack on the United States, according to a statement published Tuesday on an Islamist Web site. "Turki bin Fheid al-Muteiri -- Fawaz al-Nashmi -- may God accept him as a martyr (was) the one chosen by Sheikh Osama bin Laden to be the martyrdom-seeker number 20 in the raid on September 11, 2001," the statement said

Not to mention this, this, this, this, this, this, this, and this.

Yes, I suppose if you completely ignore all of that then I guess there is no evidence linking Bin Laden to 9/11

Posted by: no twoof for you | 2008-10-01 10:03:34 AM


Links lost in translation:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver"

http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archivesArea=sdID=SP204508"

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1938283,00.html"

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2007/03/200852514111841209.html

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=3e78b179-945b-4abf-98df-b316bdfa8f0f

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/apr/16/september11.usa2

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/02/05/binladen.transcript/index.html

http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=850

Posted by: no twoof for you | 2008-10-01 10:08:23 AM


Rachel Heinrichs NDP was campaign manager for a known drug pusher who also did a drive by shooting.

I bet she thinks guns should be banned for law abiding citizens.

http://marginalizedactiondinosaur.net/?p=5494

Heck, he even believes AGW is a threat.

He should have a sleepout in january to protest, say for 3 weeks in Winnipeg. If we get as warm as North Dakota everyone in Manitoba will die!

Posted by: Dinosaur | 2008-10-09 3:25:24 PM



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