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Monday, September 22, 2008

Calgary police chief: gun control is not the answer

Stephane Dion and the leadership of the Liberal Party seem intent of restricting gun ownership, as does Jack Layton, but Calgary Police Chief Rick Hanson thinks that's the wrong approach to reducing crime. The Calgary Herald reports:

Banning handguns, as politicians on the federal campaign trail have suggested, is a "weak-kneed" strategy that won't stop the flow of illegal weapons in Calgary, the city's police chief said Friday.

Rick Hanson, while announcing charges against a suspect in the shooting of Brazilian student Neto Ribeiro, said the accused has "one of those feared prohibitions for possessing firearms."

"There's a little bit of sarcasm there because, personally, I'm tired of when serious events like this (happen), politicians trot out the same tried and tired old solutions of 'we're going to ban certain types of weapons, or make it more restrictive.' They're not getting it. These are criminals who use illegal means to perpetrate illegal activities," he said.

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Yet more proof of why Calgary is awesome.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-09-22 9:34:05 AM


Here is one of the Left's many dichotomies: They believe that drug prohibition cannot work, but that gun prohibition can. The fact of the matter is that neither guns nor drugs are prohibited, nor are available to anyone off the street. Drugs, including pot, are available to those who have a legitimate need for them, and guns are available to those who have shown they can be trusted with them. The laws governing both are imperfect and often politically motivated, but NEITHER PRODUCT IS PROHIBITED.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2008-09-22 9:37:51 AM


Legalize guns, ban drugs.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-09-22 9:54:21 AM


Those politicians have banned firearms so much that they are going to have to come up with a new word for 'ban' because it's all used up and hasn't done anything to stop random shootings among criminals.

Most of the criminals in the Toronto area think 'ban' is a musical group. The older among them remember it as a sticky roll-on deodorant used to control smelly armpits.

Now that the smelly armpits are in government trying to ban everything that might be mmm not nice ... including the thoughts of one now fired politician who believed gun ownership is not a bad thing and could save lives and help defend against gun toting criminals.

Oddly enough, nearly all crime occurs where the police are not and where other people are. Wouldn't it be efficient for a society to have at least some of it's citizens armed and prepared to serve and protect the places where the police never are ... when required?

Posted by: John V | 2008-09-22 10:08:47 AM


Toronto's frequent calls for gun bans only underline their refusal to take responsibility for their problems. They want to shift the blame on to specific groups, rather than make the hard decisions.

Toronto's motto should be "Can't Someone Else Do It"

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-09-22 10:30:58 AM


I wonder how long he will be able to last before being thrown to the wolves for speaking the truth. It seems there is zero tolerance for truth in Canada these days.

Posted by: Alain | 2008-09-22 12:33:38 PM


There's no shortage of examples of the idiocy of the Leftist brain thought process.
Layton boots out candidates for taking illegal drugs but condones shoot-up sites for druggies to inject themselves with ILLEGAL drugs. Where's the sanity?

Toronto's Mayor Miller pops out like a Gopher out of his hole every time he hears a bang and calls for banning hand guns. Often he has Dilty McGutless alongside, a real pair of tools. That call would include those who do sport shooting and are trained to do so, he then disappears until he hears another bang.

People in that city and elsewhere are getting killed with illegal guns and they're easily acquired by those involved in crime of all sorts, including the drug networks.

Posted by: Liz J | 2008-09-22 12:40:33 PM


It's too bad, Zebulon, that they don't want to shift blame onto the ONE specific group most directly responsible for Toronto's gun problems. Take a look at the photos of the dead; notice anything in common? The trend is even more startlingly homogeneous when confronted with a photo gallery of the gunmen. Torontonians know it too, but they fear to utter it.

That's right; all but a tiny minority are BLACK. Now in America blacks have long blamed Whitey for their wretched state, blaming the indignity of the institution of slavery (abolished 140 years ago in the U.S. and 175 years ago in the British Empire) and Jim Crow. But up here, they had a fresh start. Yet up here, they're falling prey to the same problems.

Any solution to the gun violence in Toronto will have to take this fact into account. No solution that does not will work. Some will call it racial profiling. My answer to that is: What are these gunmen doing in targeting only their own kind (except when they miss), if not racial profiling? Why are they killing each other? You can't fix it if you don't know what's broken.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2008-09-22 12:46:06 PM


Shane: blacks are not the cause of Ontario's gun problem. White oppression is. Ontario's white population denies blacks equal opportunity for jobs and a chance at a decent life, preferring to keep it all for themselves. I say that every white person and family in Ontario hand over all their money for redistribution.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-09-22 1:52:09 PM


ZP, your racism towards whites in Ontario is no better than white racism towards blacks. By playing the race card, yes I know it is so popular in the US, you contribute nothing to solve the problem.

People must be held accountable for their actions and behaviour regardless of colour. Sorry but claiming that the white population in Ontario denies blacks equal opportunity for jobs and a chance at a decent life does not wash. When there are successful blacks who have made it on their own, it confirms that the problem is with those who choose a life of crime and violence instead of responsibility.

The problem can only be addressed when people stop playing the victim game, be they black, white, yellow, red or a mixture.

Posted by: Alain | 2008-09-22 2:23:48 PM


Alain: the surest and fastest way to end gun violence in Toronto is to start shooting white people. Only when more whites die by shooting will the rest of the white population wake up and start doing something about it.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-09-22 2:35:18 PM


I think Zeb was being sarcastic, Alain. The post's completely out of character for him otherwise.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2008-09-22 2:35:54 PM


Pike, would you agree the problem lies with ghettoizing groups of people on racial and ethnic grounds?

This in my view is asking for all sorts of problems and leads to all sorts of issues.

If we all live in the same neighbourhoods, in many cases work together and our kids growing up attend school together we have a cohesive society.


Posted by: Liz J | 2008-09-22 2:45:11 PM


The problem with your theory, Liz, is that in this country people have a right to live wherever they want. These people haven't been ghettoized; they've ghettoized themselves of their own free will. And we can't disperse them according to some master plan, because that would be a gross violation of their rights. We might theoretically require newcomers to settle in such and such a place as a condition of entry, but once someone is already settled in a home, you have no right to make him move.

Bottom line: The criminal lifestyle is a choice. Stop looking for abstract entities to blame. Social factors may contribute to the outcome, but unless you can prove that they are in thrall to some evil scientist with a giant mind-control machine, the decision and the responsibility are theirs alone.

Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2008-09-22 3:04:22 PM


if targeting white Toronto people is the only way to get those lazy, ignorant, stupid, racist people to actually do something, then I'd say Toronto is doomed.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-09-22 4:16:59 PM


Oddly enough, nearly all crime occurs where the police are not and where other people are. Wouldn't it be efficient for a society to have at least some of it's citizens armed and prepared to serve and protect the places where the police never are ... when required?

Posted by: John V | 22-Sep-08 10:08:47 AM

That's a fact John V. If criminals had to guess who is and who isn't armed they might be a touch more timid. And assault with a weapon is a behaviour, not a device. Hats off to Rick Hanson.

Posted by: JC | 2008-09-22 4:43:31 PM


if targeting white Toronto people is the only way to get those lazy, ignorant, stupid, racist people to actually do something, then I'd say Toronto is doomed.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 22-Sep-08 4:16:59 PM

Almost anything that ever happens in the world leads you to say that Toronto is doomed. It's no longer a surprising conclusion.

Posted by: Kalim Kassam | 2008-09-22 4:49:26 PM


Had you thought that it might be true? I just hope it is so I can gloat.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-09-22 5:03:16 PM



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