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Wednesday, June 18, 2008

Pro-choice terrorists?

Liberal leader Stephane Dion's wife, Janine Krieber, suggests in a recent speech and follow-up interview that Bill C-484, the Unborn Victims of Crime Act, is so explosive that it has the potential to touch off a wave of domestic terrorism.

This Peterborough Examiner story reports that Krieber, "an expert in international relations, military strategy and the sociology of conflict," believes that a recent demonstration in Montreal of 1,000 people opposed to the bill is evidence of the potential for the issue to spark terrorist activity.

"The problem I see, for the moment, coming next is that we bring back abortion discussions into society," Krieber is quoted as saying. "We had problems before and if we bring that back too severely it will bring conflict.”

Krieber does not suggest the bill be withdrawn because of its potential to create the conditions in which terrorism might arise; rather, she merely observes and make predictions.

Nevertheless, I can't help but wonder how long it will be before a pro-abortion activist starts demanding that the bill be killed on the grounds that it could lead to violence--even, of course, if that violence were, as Krieber suggests, to originate with fellow pro-abortion activists.

Posted by Terry O'Neill on June 18, 2008 in Current Affairs | Permalink


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>"Krieber does not suggest the bill be withdrawn because of its potential to create the conditions in which terrorism might arise; rather, she merely observes and make predictions."

Veiled threat anyone?

It looks to me that the Leftists are learning as much from the Islamists as the Islamists are learning from the Leftists.

It might be interesting to see the Leftists carry through on this threat just so they can STFU about "Christians" bombing abortion clinics or sniping the people who work there.

It's ironic how quickly the Left is willing to advocate the shedding of blood when the shoe is on the other hand.

Can you imagine the shitstorm if Stockwell Day's wife suggested that new abortion regulations needed to be legislated or more abortuaries might get bombed?

Posted by: Speller | 2008-06-18 12:30:02 AM

A "wave of domestic terrorism"?

Terry, you're really grasping at straws here. The article is poorly written and not really clear on exactly what Krieber said, in what order, and in relation to what. Find something without hack and slash quotes, or maybe even a transcript of the talk.

Let's not forget that so far, the only violence has come from anti-choice radicals shooting doctors and bombing clinics.

Posted by: Voice of Reason | 2008-06-18 12:35:30 AM

Terry is now ready for the National Post.

Posted by: Marc | 2008-06-18 12:50:44 AM

>"Let's not forget that so far, the only violence has come from anti-choice radicals shooting doctors and bombing clinics."
Voice of Reason | 18-Jun-08 12:35:30 AM

As if suctioning a baby who has been D&C'd out of the womb or the grisly procedure involved in a partial birth abortion isn't violent.

You've obviously never looked at the pictures and the numbers speak for themselves.

Posted by: Speller | 2008-06-18 12:51:29 AM

>"The real definition of terrorism, she said, is “an action that is bringing terror.”
"They don’t want your house, they don’t want your city. They want your mind.”
"There’s some groups that are threatening other different groups but it’s not so dangerous. If we just align the number of victims-direct terrorist attacks, in the whole history, it’s not a lot. That’s not millions of people like real war. So it’s a little bit of an illusion that terrorism is so dangerous,”
Janine Krieber(communist tool)

“We stand for organized terror - this should be frankly admitted. Terror is an absolute necessity during times of revolution. Our aim is to fight against the enemies of the Soviet Government and of the new order of life. We judge quickly. In most cases only a day passes between the apprehension of the criminal and his sentence. When confronted with evidence criminals in almost every case confess; and what argument can have greater weight than a criminal's own confession.”

“We will turn our hearts into steel, which we will temper in the fire of suffering and the blood of fighters for freedom. We will make our hearts cruel, hard, and immovable, so that no mercy will enter them, and so that they will not quiver at the sight of a sea of enemy blood. We will let loose the floodgates of that sea. Without mercy, without sparing, we will kill our enemies in scores of hundreds. Let them be thousands; let them drown themselves in their own blood. For the blood of Lenin and Uritsky, Zinovief and Volodarski, let there be floods of the blood of the bourgeois - more blood, as much as possible.”
~Excerpt from an interview with Felix Dzerzhinsky published in Novaia Zhizn on 14 July 1918.

"We must make up for all this and we shall do so by learning from the experience of Moscow, by spreading this experience among the masses and by stimulating their creative efforts to develop it still further. And the guerrilla warfare and mass terror that have been taking place throughout Russia practically without a break since December, will undoubtedly help the masses to learn the correct tactics of an uprising. Social Democracy must recognise this mass terror and incorporate it into its tactics, organising and controlling it of course, subordinating it to the interests and conditions of the working-class movement and the general revolutionary struggle.
~Excerpts from V.I. Lenin, “The Lessons of the Moscow Uprising” (1906)

Lenin, Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro, all used terror to kill hundreds of millions and why?
Because Leftists politicize everything they touch.

Women have babies. Some women are irresponsible sluts. Lets politicize women having babies and create the concept of "reproductive rights".

Do men have "reproductive rights"?
No. Just reproductive responsibilities.
Janine Krieber doesn't know Shiite from Shinola when it comes to terrorism.

Why were millions killed by the Communist terrorism known as the Red Terror?
Because Communists politicized EVERYTHING and the people who rejected the politicization of everything had to be cowed and killed.

Janine Krieber thinks that "reproductive rights" are the politicized issue that has the most potential for terrorism in our society?

Janine Krieber is wrong. For the true answer Janine Krieber has only to look to her dog.

People like Janine Krieber have politicised the very environment that we live in.
The have raised the issue to absurd levels and injected it with invective, hysteria, inflammatory rhetoric and backed it up with false information or, as Janine Krieber calls it, propaganda.

Environmentalism is the political issue of the day most likely to foster terrorism.
Not "reproductive rights".
Global Warming Hysteria.

Communist environmental hysteria is already killing millions by denying them food and energy resources and if the Liberals gain power again and push their radical Communist environmental agenda destroying the Canadian way of life, the Canadian people will resist and then we will see the type of terrorism that Janine Krieber refuses to recognize that socialists like herself with the politicization of every issue have historically used to implement their agendas.

Posted by: Speller | 2008-06-18 2:13:42 AM

Perhaps she's thinking of those 'terrorists' who desecrated the Basillica in Montreal. I don't recall her commenting on that .

Posted by: lwestin | 2008-06-18 8:11:39 AM

As I recall, some of the acts against abortionists/abortion clinics have not been attributable to particular people. It's unfair to paint all pro-life people with the brush of those few who have been guilty of this type of violence - last I heard, we made a presumption of innocence against the 'accused'. It's also at least credible that people who feel victimized by abortion are responsible for some of the violence against the clinics (ie. men who feel powerless to stop their partners from aborting). I've also read at least one (admittedly conspiracist) account where it was suggested that a clinic may have perpetrated its own bombing to paint pro-lifers negatively and to garner good press (which certainly happened, whoever was ultimately responsible).

Posted by: Shane O. | 2008-06-18 9:53:57 AM

Oh - and trust a lefty to try to seriously make a case that we shouldn't talk about certain issues because it's unthinkable to do so or that some topics are too controversial. This, predictably, comes from those same people who pretend that issues like abortion are 'forever decided'. In my thinking, this reflects shallowness of thought and argument that they pretend like thinking people can't rationally discuss things like whether we, as a society, should sanction the killing of our own offspring.

Posted by: Shane O. | 2008-06-18 9:57:01 AM

Voice of Reason,

Forcibly jailing people who are demonstrating outside a clinic is not as violent as shooting doctors, but is still violent. One is perpetrated by the state, the other by criminals.

Posted by: TM | 2008-06-18 10:46:05 AM

Stephane Dion's wife has just helped me understand why he can't seem to connect with Canadians. She is just as incomprehensible as he is. (and it is not her accent) They make the perfect pair. I am glad she is not teaching at the military college anymore as the crap she is filling soldiers heads with causes mine to spin.

1000 pro-abortion fascists march in Montreal and she predicts terrorist acts. Those 1000 steamed up protestors were whipped into a frenzy about a bill which offers at least some kind of solace for the families of victims of violent abuse and murder. For years we heard the mantra of these pro-abortionists demanding the right to abortion. They chanted "every child a wanted child, every mother a willing mother" It sounded great until Ken Epp drafted a Bill with precisely that intention. He wanted to enshrine in law, their oft-repeated slogan. What did they do?

They abandoned the willing mothers and their wanted children. They dropped them like a hot potatoe and threw the baby out with the bath water. They demanded the Bill be rejected and called in their Chits from every medical group and labor union to support them. They want abortion and they want it now.

Mrs. Dion may have really stirred up an issue here and if she is now predicting domestic "terrorism" will rise just because we start talking about a hot button political issue, perhaps we have more to fear than just the pro-aborts. Her Liberal party scares me more than ever now.

Posted by: Servant | 2008-06-18 11:10:19 AM

What a well matched couple. Referring to her as an expert reminds me of the definition of an expert - a small drip of water under pressure.

Posted by: Alain | 2008-06-18 11:42:22 AM

All the fist-slamming and hot-headed response from the pro-aborts around this great land of ours reveals one thing: all they really care about is their precious "abortion rights." They really dont give a rat's ass that women are suffering from the loss of their unborn BABIES. They don't care that pregnant women face grave risks from their pro-abort boyfriends. Nope, must preserve abortion rights at all costs!

Posted by: Flipper | 2008-06-18 11:55:41 AM

'Terrorism should also be thought of as a “chess play,” Krieber said. '

I'm glad Ms. Krieber thinks it is chess play. When the terrorists come to her home and announce "Check Mate" she will find that the game is definitively over.

At this point she can tell Divine Providence why she was so monumentally stupid.

Ms. Krieber is incredibly naive.

How about I import my lengthy multicultural heritage as a descendant of the HUNS? That should go over real well. We'll give Ms. Krieber all the "Check Mate" demonstrations she could possibly endure.

This of course may require some Justice Dept exemptions from Criminal Code provisions.

Yep, our old friends Rape, Pillage, and Plunder are merely "playing chess".

I'm sure the recipients of Genghis Khan's felicitations also viewed their sufferings as "chess play".

When Ms. Krieber's frontal lobe engages please let me know!

Maybe she needs an unescorted pass to Taliban country to rectify her assessment of terrorism as 'CHESS PLAY'!!!

With the recent 1000 man jail break in Kandahar, they will probably be setting up their 'chess pieces' right now.

Well Ms. Krieber are you a player or not?

Posted by: Hans Rupprecht | 2008-06-18 11:59:25 AM

Given the control by pro abortion activist students on campuses who have pathological ideas of human rights and free speech, it should be anticipated that some might resort to violence.
The problem here is that Bill C 484 is not an anti abortion bill.

It follows that Janine Krieber has an over active imagination both with regard to the threat to abortion law sas well as to possible reactions to it.

Posted by: Joan O A | 2008-06-18 6:27:16 PM

Voice of Reason: "Let's not forget that so far, the only violence has come from anti-choice radicals shooting doctors and bombing clinics."

First, VoR, I think you'd better change your moniker, as there's nothing reasoned about your statement.

A handful of pro-life activists have bombed clinics or shot and killed abortion doctors (not an action the pro-life movement in any way sanctions or condones) and these individuals are now in jail.

(It looks very much as though it was pro-abortion activists who bombed the Morgentaler Clinic on Harbord Street in Toronto. After an investigation by CSIS, nothing was heard in the MSM, which is one indicator that it was NOT a pro-life activist that did it. Had CSIS discovered THAT, it would have been front-page news. Nothing was ever heard about his incident in the MSM again. The headlines in the MSM had already condemned pro-lifers, and the bogus and unproven allegation stuck.)

In Canada, alone, since 1969, 2,000,000 children in the womb have been aborted by being carved up, suctioned out, or having saline solution pumped into the placenta, resulting in the child's skin being burned off, their lungs being seared, and a slow and painful death, before their lifeless bodies are expelled from the womb.

Abortion's not violent? There are far more victims of violence from the abortion industry (cosmetic companies purchase "the products of abortion" for their high-end skin creams with collagen) than abortion doctors being shot and killed or clinics bombed.

Let's get things in perspective, Voice of Reason. Let's reason this out, Voice of Reason. Get your facts straight, first, and then you'll be able to give a reasoned response in this very troubling debate--which is far from over, despite Krieber's veiled threats of "terrorism."

Posted by: batb | 2008-06-20 6:11:49 AM

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