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Sunday, May 18, 2008

When Will There Be Canadian Refugees?

Picking up on what Terry and others have been talking about, I would like to suggest that the persecution of Mark Steyn, Maclean's, Ezra Levant, this magazine, and others raises a serious question: how long will it be before we see the first Canadian attempt to seek refuge from tyranny abroad?

The Convention on the Status of Refugees defines one as follows:

A person who owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to

After all - what is the endgame of all of this?  For all of the talk from the left that the proceedings of human rights tribunals and commissions are not criminal, I would put it to you that - in the end - that's a distinction without a difference.  These bodies have the power to order punishments and, if you do not submit to them and cannot find relief under Canadian law, they have the power to seize your property or to put you in prison.  The rest is mere technicality.

What we are talking about here is classic persecution.  If you express opinions which the state disapproves of then, they will order you to apologize or pay for them.  It is hard to imagine a more fundamentally illiberal institution or practise.

As I've noted before, I think that those who are hoping for relief from other courts in this land are deluding themselves.  The Chief Justice herself has openly endorsed judicial activism - saying that Judges should not be bound by written law.  Maclean's - and others - will find no relief there.

Rick looks back to the "Accurate News and Information" case, but what he forgets is that it - and everything else in this country - has been changed by the Charter.  This court has no conception of natural law or fundamental rights - they see everything through the lens of liberalism, which holds that group and minority rights are absolutely the most important, including the rights of groups and minorities not to be offended in any way, shape, or form.

The only way that anyone is ever going to get a fair court to pass judgement on this law is if we can get it before a fair court - perhaps the U.S. Supreme Court.  The way to do that is for some brave soul, when confronted by the commissars of human rights, to drive to the nearest border crossing and attempt to claim political asylum in the United States - a move which would almost certainly eventually bring the matter before the highest courts in the land.

Indeed, what people fail to understand is how far down this road we are already headed.  Mark Steyn is right when he says that his career in this country is over.  Once he and Maclean's are convicted, no mainstream publication here will publish him, for fear of being dragged before a kangaroo court.  And they won't publish anyone like him, either.  And, if they do, the same sort of activists will repeat the process, until everyone gets the message.

It's not Sharia - it's leftist totalitarianism, which cannot tolerate the expression of opinion contrary to its assumptions.  Once they get Steyn and others, they'll keep going and going and going.

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If you include those who seek refuge in other provinces, it's already here. Not every Ontarian moves to Alberta for strictly economic reasons. After 30 years in Alberta, I'm starting to look for some place that still resembles the Canada I was born in.

Now with teenage kids, I'm also wondering if fortress America might have a chance of keeping what we've been fighting for these last few centuries. Another option might be western separation, or some type of free state within Canada. It's a slim chance since the numbers are already against us.

I'm not going easy though. I come from pioneer stock. My ancestors emmigrated to a new land that had no welfare system. These newcomers are reaping the rewards with no sacrifices. That doesn't make them stronger than us, just louder.

Posted by: dp | 2008-05-18 2:08:24 PM


The newcomers are reaping rewards they have not earned thanks to the Trudeau Charter. It allows them to yell loudly demand their Rights as dictated by that Charter that will eventually take this country to it's knees.

No, they are not stronger than our Ancestors who forged this country through much hardship and a lot of common sense. It's the damned Charter that gives them power. Those of us who know our history and respect those who built this country have an obligation to keep an eye on government policy makers and demand they not cede to immigrants who wish to change it. Tinkering with success is risky business.

Posted by: Liz J | 2008-05-18 2:38:37 PM


Look guys. Canada's power resides in Ottawa and a few major centres. This power is mostly illusory. A few direct assaults (legally speaking) at the heart of this attempted slow motion fascism will bring it crumbling like a house of cards.

The Left is overplaying its hand. By its very nature, it is weak. It EATS ITSELF!

Patience. It's coming.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2008-05-18 3:07:57 PM


Patience. That's the root of the problem we face. It doesn't serve us well. If Steyn's predictions are correct, we can't afford patience. We assumed the enemies of western civilization would self destruct, but we had it backwards.

Posted by: dp | 2008-05-18 3:31:55 PM


dp,

The enemy of Western Civ is Left. They can't even feed themselves. They don't breed. They kill as many of themselves as they can. They are their own worst enemy.

But they are seductive and addictive.

Stop them. Islamic radicals are a cakewalk in comparison.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2008-05-18 3:56:06 PM


h2o

I guess I can't identify the left very well. Where I live and work they aren't all that plentiful.

I hear a lot of stories since my brother retired to the maritimes. At first I thought he was just having trouble adjusting to life in the slow lane, but some of the crazy stories about how people actually think down there are making me wonder.

One thing he does admit, there's not a big influx of radical islamists. Even they have little interest in investing there. I think I'll start surfing the real estate sites.

Posted by: dp | 2008-05-18 4:11:40 PM


dp said

"I guess I can't identify the left very well. Where I live and work they aren't all that plentiful. "

I just finished stating that the Left doesn't breed and they kill themselves whenever possible.

However, it should be inferred that they will suck the life out of good people and give the nectar to the scum who do breed and other parasites that destroy civilizational underpinnings.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2008-05-18 4:57:45 PM


h2o273kk9, your recommended inference is right on!

Posted by: Liz J | 2008-05-18 5:27:56 PM


Liz,

It follows from your observations. Western Civ is a one off major accomplishment. So, yes, tinkering is downright narcissistic and destructive. The Lefties have destroyed too many societies to be entrusted with the reins of power of the most creative, productive, munificent civilization ever conceived.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2008-05-18 5:54:05 PM


So back to the question, when will there be refugees? And also, who will they be? Will they be the ones who saw the threats coming, or the lefties who end up being the first victims of their own folly?

Posted by: dp | 2008-05-18 6:14:49 PM


dp,

There is no place for the refugees to go. This is the ANGLOSPHERE. Mankind's last, best, only hope.

Fix it here or perish.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2008-05-18 6:22:03 PM


This would be hysterically funny if it weren't so pathetic. Before the hearing has even begun, you geniuses are running around with your hair on fire having concluded:
a) that the BC Human Rights Tribunal will find that Macleans breached the Human Rights Code by publishing Steyn's droolings on Muslims;
b) that this finding will be upheld on judicial review by every court up to the SCC;
c) that the US Supreme Court, or indeed any US court, is going pass judgment on the constitutional validity of another countries alw because some right-wing loser shows up at the border claiming persecution because he can't abuse some minority group on the internet.

Set aside the fact that, collectively, you nitwits barely know enough law to fight a traffic ticket, or that O'Neill, who passes himself off as a journalist, can't properly identify the section of the BC Code under which the complaint was filed. There remains the fact that the hearing hasn't begun and that when it does, the first step Macleans will likely take is to bring a motion to dismiss the complaint on the ground that it has no reasonable prospect of success.

You may now return to making complete asses of yourselves.


Posted by: truewest | 2008-05-18 6:55:26 PM


1) How often do the defendants win in these cases, truewest? I can't think of a single example where they have. After all, truth and fair comment aren't defenses here - the mere fact of having offended someone who has the favour of the Star Chamber makes one guilty.

2) How many times have the higher courts overturned these rulings in the past? Does it seem likely - or even possible - that they will do so now, with a Chief Justice who openly endorses judicial activism and with the likes of Rosie Abella on the Court?

3) If someone shows up and claims asylum on the well-founded fear that they will be - or based upon the fact that they are being - persecuted, the U.S. court system would have to deal with the matter.

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This isn't a judicial process. This is the inqusition. I suppose that even the Spaniards occassionally found that someone wasn't really a heretic, but I wouldn't bet my freedom on it bein so.

Posted by: Adam Yoshida | 2008-05-18 7:14:24 PM


Adam,
The fact that you can't think of a case where defendants succeeded in one of these cases is a measure of your ignorance and laziness, not a measure of reality. In fact, defendants frequently prevail, either because the case doesn't go to hearing (in provinces in which a human rights commission acts as a screening body), because the the case is dismissed by the tribunal before the hearing or because the tribunal finds the claim wasn't made out by the claimants.
Courts, meanwhile, are quite willing to overturn human rights bodies.
If you had taken a moment to do a little research before sitting down to write your ridiculous original post, you might have known this.
As for the suggestion that the US court system would "have to deal with the matter" if someone -- say a delusional but well-fed chap like yourself -- showed up a claimed asylum on the basis that you had be found to have broken the law in Canada, I suspect after they finished laughing at you, they'd point you towards the Canadian border and tell you to get lost.

Posted by: truewest | 2008-05-18 7:33:37 PM


truewest,

"You may now return to making complete asses of yourselves. "

"Before the hearing has even begun, you geniuses are running around with your hair on fire having concluded: "

Point 1):

I've concluded nothing.

Point 2):
Not all people posting here are geniuses. You are here.

Point 3):

People can and do make predictions on the outcomes of momentous events. What is your predictions...Genius?

Point 4): My hair isn't on fire.

Point 5): Why do you feel so insecure that you must use profanity when referring to people here?

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2008-05-18 7:43:19 PM


There might be Alberta refugees when the Feds go nuts and attack us over 'global warming'.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-05-18 7:44:28 PM


Zeb,
If I told you Truewest was from Ontario in heart and spirit if not in body, what would you say?

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2008-05-18 8:00:18 PM


Seems to me that Steyn might already be a refugee of sorts.
There's only two good reasons to leave Canada - to avoid the winter or to avoid the taxes. Since he lives in Vermont it can't be the winters.

Posted by: Nbob | 2008-05-18 9:12:13 PM


Nbob

You forgot cheaper beer, wine and gasoline, hassle-free gun ownership, no HRCs, David Suzuki, CRTC or CBC among others, but most of all, no legacy of PET.

Posted by: John Chittick | 2008-05-18 9:42:06 PM


yah but most yankee beer is like making love in a canoe

Posted by: Nbob | 2008-05-18 10:55:48 PM


There might be Alberta refugees when the Feds go nuts and attack us over 'global warming'.

Posted by: Zebulon Punk | 18-May-08 7:44:28 PM

Who's the us, Punk? Do you live in Alberta?

Posted by: The Stig | 2008-05-18 11:50:07 PM


The enemy of Western Civ is not the left.

Ezra Levant:

"The CJC’s op-ed will be seen as nothing but more proof for anti-Semites and neo-Nazis who claim — with historical and statistical validity — that the hate speech provisions are a tool used mainly by secular, leftist Jews to punish their anti-Semitic critics {and of course all critics de facto, if not de jure must be anti-Semites]".

The Postville, Iowa saga unveils the fact that it is not just "secular, leftist Jews" who are acting in a self-serving manner without care for the founding European people.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080513/NEWS/80513006

http://projectusa.org/2008/05/18/biggest-immig-raid-ever-much-worse-than-you-think/#more-143


Posted by: DJ | 2008-05-19 1:07:25 AM


Alberta? You mean the same province run by Ottawa ass-kissing Stelmach? The same Stelmach who is pushing through an election gag law? And the same province who gave a liberal-left progressive conservative party another mandate?

Believe me, I have thought about exile to the United States numerous times. My children both have US citizenship, so they thankfully will have that option.

Posted by: Faramir | 2008-05-19 2:16:23 AM


Truewest, you should know then that it was the Supreme Court that approved Section 13, convinced that it would never be abused for politics. LOL

Posted by: Faramir | 2008-05-19 2:19:01 AM


The Trudeau Charter gives us freedom of speech and HRC's take it away. The proof is there for all to see.

The charges against Macleans, Steyn, Levant and others is outrageous,asinine in the extreme, giving cause for grave concern for this Democracy. We should not be silent or cower on this issue.

Posted by: Liz J | 2008-05-19 6:52:34 AM


The Postville, Iowa saga unveils the fact that it is not just "secular, leftist Jews" who are acting in a self-serving manner without care for the founding European people.
Posted by: DJ | 19-May-08 1:07:25 AM

If you want to see what goes on in a kosher meat packing facility have a look at this, a halal plant ain't any better. Beware the video is graphic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=FvlTECbPagI

It's no wonder that Norway,Denmark,Sweden and Switzerland have all banned this practice. If a hunter did to a deer or moose what they do in these plants he would get charged with animal cruelty. This conduct to animals has no place in a modern society.

Posted by: The Stig | 2008-05-19 8:37:32 AM


Fix it here or perish.

Well if everyone speaks up they can't jail us all.

As Churchill would say fight them in the beaches. on the blogs with your MP in the senate, sure they will not print letters to to most editors, but

Maybe put up lawn signs in rob nicholsons riding saying remove section 2 from the charter for groups socialists don't like.

Or sue them, but do something. Even posting here helps Lurking does not.

Posted by: dinosaur | 2008-05-19 11:55:13 AM


Wow - you clowns sure thrive on veiled sedition and inferences to killing thousands of Canadian citizens.

Is this what the CON brand has come to?

I wonder how big the RCs' file is on the McVeigh wannabees like dinosaur, h2o..., and dp?

Posted by: joe bleau | 2008-05-19 3:55:13 PM


Did you just compare me to a mass murderer blow job? I'll take your head off you faggot.

Posted by: dp | 2008-05-19 4:11:14 PM


Did you just compare me to a mass murderer blow job? I'll take your head off you faggot.

Posted by: dp | 19-May-08 4:11:14 PM

Why do you feel so insecure that you must use profanity when referring to people here?
Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 18-May-08 7:43:19 PM

Posted by: Snowrunner | 2008-05-20 8:42:30 AM


What? You want some too superman?

Posted by: dp | 2008-05-20 8:45:58 AM


The Trudeau Charter gives us freedom of speech and HRC's take it away. The proof is there for all to see.

The charges against Macleans, Steyn, Levant and others is outrageous,asinine in the extreme, giving cause for grave concern for this Democracy. We should not be silent or cower on this issue.

Posted by: Liz J | 19-May-08 6:52:34 AM

Marc, this [Dallaire's statement] is beyond free speech.

Posted by: Liz J | 15-May-08 1:50:41 PM

Moral equivalency, thy name is Liz J

Posted by: Snowrunner | 2008-05-20 9:59:54 AM


What the hay is joe blowjob talking about. Who spoke of sedition? It is not seditious to emigrate to another country - especially when one's own nation is being over run by goosestepping anti-free speech Nazis. Only in Canada (and China) would we have people defend the restriction of freedom of opinion.

Posted by: Faramir | 2008-05-20 3:18:14 PM


When Alberta becomes an independent country because it can no longer tolerate the tyranny of central Canadian space cadets, we will welcome all hard-working refugees from the rest of Canada.

Posted by: set you free | 2008-05-20 5:28:04 PM


Did anyone watch the CBC last week. They were talking about carbon credits. There was a female prof from the UofS, two pundits from Toronto and one from Ottawa. Aside from the three on one debate, the prof alluded to that the West would separate if there was anything remotely looking like a national energy program. The journalist and the three pundits went right on with their Eastern Canada delusions. The look on the profs face said it all, "Eastern Canadians just don't get it. If they attempt to capitalize on our boomer, WE ARE OUT OF HERE!

Ralph Murphy once warned Ontario and Quebec about this, but I guess they don't get it.

Anyone for a new flag of Western Canada?

Posted by: J Bob | 2008-05-29 3:33:20 PM


J Bob: Would you have a link to a transcript of that? It sounds fascinating.

Why am I not surprised that the CBC would have a three on one during a debate like this? Their already lacking objectivity just eroded even further. I say destroy the CBC immediately.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-05-29 3:44:12 PM


Next time some canadian goes off about McCarthyism, I'll just mention your HRC.

Posted by: Mario Sanchez | 2008-06-11 9:16:09 PM


There is a strong lobbying effort by groups throughout Canada (they are found all over the world) who seek to become annexed to the USA. Some call it PaxAmerica. From the Philipines to Sicily these groups petition the US to become a state in the Union. Taiwan, Sicily, Philipines, South Korea, Northern Iraq (Kurdistan), and Alberta and Saskatchewan in Canada have some of the most vocal and organized pro-PaxAmerica groups. There was serious talk that if Quebec ever separated, the maritime provinces would eventually merge with the US. I personally would rather see Guam and Kurdistan as states than anywhere in Canada.

Posted by: Daphne Vilianopoulous | 2008-07-14 5:26:18 PM



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