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Saturday, May 10, 2008
Leave Maxime and Julie Alone
I have the top "Letter of the Day" in today's National Post.
It's my take on the Maxime and Julie "affair."
Posted by Gerry Nicholls on May 10, 2008 | Permalink
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Good letter, Gerry.
I guess this is the scandale de la semaine--and doesn't the National Enquirer come out once a week, too? The Librano$ are right on time.
Posted by: batb | 2008-05-10 10:53:50 AM
I like Don Martin's take on the Politics show yesterday.
His suggested headline ...
Tempest in a D-Cup.
Posted by: set you free | 2008-05-10 12:55:04 PM
It is as low down as muck raking can go and further proof of their total meltdown and bankruptcy.
I thought Ignatieff took himself right out of contention with his questions on the subject in Gotcha Period.
Did someone advise weiner Dion to slither out and let Iggy take the fall on this one?
The media are not touching it, they're fully aware Julie Couillard could sue the fools.
Posted by: Liz J | 2008-05-10 3:12:18 PM
If anyone thinks the electorate is going to forget about a cabinet minister hanging with a biker chick , they are dreaming . It`s a disaster. He`s got to go .
Posted by: daveh | 2008-05-10 5:39:21 PM
You've got to be kidding:
If Bernier's "got to go," then how come Martin and Chretien (whose Librano$ owe the Canadian public the $40,000,000 they stole from us) and PET, who, apparently, cavorted with S-S partners, never had to go?
Wake up, grow up, and shut up... ;-)
Posted by: batb | 2008-05-10 6:15:37 PM
Daveh dude, the only disaster in politics today is the imploding LPC under the incapable leadership of Stephane Dion.
Not that it wasn't well on it's way thanks to the warring factions led by Chretien and Martin for over a decade.
What the electorate will not forget are the futile attempts to smear by the down and almost totally out Liberal Party of Canada.
The people of Canada are basically decent, honest folk who do not appreciate the National Inquirer type gotcha political games being played by desperate for power Liberals.
Posted by: Liz J | 2008-05-10 7:05:55 PM
If you can't take 4oz. of baby formula on a plane because it is a national security risk, you sure as fuck can't be cavorting with biker babes and still stay foreign affairs minister!
Wake up, losers! Bernier is toast. And the RC's are now paying visits to the Cadman widow about the bribe offer.
And Liz J, if Dion and the LPC are imploding, what does that say about a government that can't get more than three points ahead of them in the polls after more than two years?
And these 'decent folk' still remember your CONs trying to connect Paul Martin with child porn.
Posted by: joe bleau | 2008-05-11 2:34:43 AM
Hey, batb; about Chretien, Martin and Trudeau:
they're already gone.
The HarperCONs are next.
Posted by: joe bleau | 2008-05-11 2:36:59 AM
"And Liz J, if Dion and the LPC are imploding, what does that say about a government that can't get more than three points ahead of them in the polls after more than two years?"
As has been pointed out before Joe Blow, the fact these lying, thieving liberals still hold a balance of the power in this country, and are still polling like they do reflects a hell of a lot more on the so called voters in this country than it does on the parties.
Go look in the mirror a**hole, you and your ilk are the real problem. And yes sadly, that says a lot about this country.
Isn't it these same a**hose libs who shriek about politics staying out of the bedrooms of the nation, in fact didn't they make one man cornholing another not only mainstream, but legally on par with regular marriage, and now their concerned about something like this?
It is to laugh really.
Posted by: deepblue | 2008-05-11 7:27:26 AM
Joe Blow: "The HarperCONs are next."
Posted by: batb | 2008-05-11 7:46:42 AM
Keep living in the clouds, smoking whatever you're smoking joe and blow it out your ears.
The polling is always done at opportune times to get desired results. The Libranos are busy trolling for scandals and coming up empty but every one makes for a poll.
It's pretty sad when even the Dippers have displayed more scruples than the Libranos on this latest attempt to smear.
Posted by: Liz J | 2008-05-11 8:10:39 AM
I fail to see how my analysis of what grass roots Conservatives might be saying , has anything to do with ' growing up ' .
You should know by now that Conservatives are always being held to a higher standard than Liberals . That`s the nature of the beast . OF COURSE , I`m referring to this grass roots perception , not to what may or may not be ' proper ' as defined by such a ' grown up ' , as yourself. Try thinking it through a bit before getting all hostile .
And Liz , it isn`t about the Liberals , this time . I could give 2 ' f---s , about what they do. If you notice , they are not playing it as vigourously as they could . They know that for once , for once , this is a valid issue ,where phony pontificating will dilute the effect.
Posted by: daveh | 2008-05-11 8:17:48 AM
So, do we have two for the price of one here, daveh aka joe bleau?
Agree, the Liberals are not playing it as vigorously because they know they'd take themselves even further down. Dion let Iggy do the dirty work for him in Gotcha Period in the HOC, the haven for smears and innuendo with the safety of immunity.
Posted by: Liz J | 2008-05-11 9:08:03 AM
Sorry folks, I have to take a dim view of this guys judgement. Stop thinking biker, and start thinking organized crime. In fact, the largest and most dangerous crime syndicate in Canada. Ask yourself how she came to be married to a member of this gang.
The only way to get ahead of this controversy is to get in front of the cameras and deny any knowledge of anything illegal. That means both of them. She has to cover her tattoos, especially the 666 one, and swear up and down she never got involved in any of her ex-husbands business dealings. Or is it late husband? Was he not murdered by another gang member? She needs to absolutely swear up and down that she has had no contact with any member of the gang since she met Bernier.
Problem is there's no chance any of these things will ever happen. That would amount to a declaration that both them consider these guys to be organized criminals, and a public statement to that effect could get them both killed.
An old friend of mine claims that 90% of all the trouble men experience is caused by tits and wheels. Bernier got himself involved with both this time.
Posted by: dp | 2008-05-11 10:44:41 AM
One more thing that people need to consider. The only way to get into the inner circle of this group is to commit a major crime. That way you can't testify against another member without risking jail time. A little digging is going to expose things in her past that will make this trouble snowball.
Harper has to let this guy go. Quebecers have suffered years of biker wars. There's no way to spin this story in Quebec. The quicker that Harper moves this guy to the back seat the more respect he'll get from most people.
Posted by: dp | 2008-05-11 10:55:39 AM
Is it your contention every biker is into organized crime?
Posted by: deepblue | 2008-05-11 10:58:26 AM
Not at all deeblue. But full membership in the hells angels is a different story.
Posted by: dp | 2008-05-11 11:02:27 AM
From what I can gather she is "ex" biker, and "ex" his girlfriend, what is the problem here?
Posted by: deepblue | 2008-05-11 11:05:51 AM
It's all about perception deepblue. We've all had a stripper fantasy, but most of us have the good sense to stop short of taking one to the company Christmas party. It was poor judgement at best, which means he has to go. If Harper moves quickly it will all go away.
Posted by: dp | 2008-05-11 11:12:21 AM
Well I will make a deal with you dp.
Now that these past relationships have now become the basis of a persons judgment and or character, when the left is ready to admit Obama's relationships with known terrorists and America hating black power figures should have him step aside, then perhaps one could consider throwing Bernier under the bus.
Personally I like the fact Harper has stood firm against the smear tactics of the leftist machine, which of course includes the leftist media.
I still have a problem with this morally corrupt leftist establishment who have yet to even come close to dealing with their own sins, casting stones at anyone.
With the left, it will never go away. The fact they were/are given a pass by the central Canadian voter does not sit well with me.
To hell with them.
Posted by: deepblue | 2008-05-11 11:28:12 AM
I agree totally on the Obama issue deepblue. His association with those radicals can't be allowed to be swept under the rug. I don't understand how he's ducked the issue so easily. He won't have it so easy when the republican machine gets him in their sites.
But to be fair, we need to use our own set of standards on our own people. We need to respond to the complaints, and make sure it's known that cabinet ministers have to be above any kind of suspicion.
What if he were justice minister? Cabinet posts are pretty high profile positions. I think Bernier's career is in jeopardy, and there's no point letting him drag the whole party down to his level.
Posted by: dp | 2008-05-11 11:56:05 AM
Liz ; why do you want Cons to fall into this trap . In the next election , this will be front and centre and it will be devastating . I`d think that the Liberals will get far more mileage from his staying in office , thus the tepid response so far. Actually I don`t think it will hurt too much, because I expect Harper to demote the guy , shortly.
And deep blue , again people don`t care about corrupt Liberals [ or Democrats ] , they expect that . But they don`t want the clean up crew to have the same moral ambiguity . In my opinion , these so called scandals have been baseless and people know that . Up until now . Time to take one for the team . It`s a no brainer.
Posted by: daveh | 2008-05-11 12:07:57 PM
Wouldn't it be great if the libs were held up to the same standard as the conservatives? Belinda sleeps around with a married man and is rewarded with some position on women's affairs. Does anyone want to look into the background of Bill Graham,former liberal leader,former foriegn affairs,and has held numerous cabinet positions.When they have had alleged unusual relationships the line is'it is their private life and nobody's business'.
Posted by: wallyj | 2008-05-11 12:37:50 PM
The CONs empty defences (even using Trudeau quotes; apparently his wisdom is suddenly worthy when your people get caught!), from former Alliance chief clown Day, to the sock puppet underling dodging questions on CTV today, to the people on this thread, are great comedy!
The biker wars of this decade and last destroyed many lives and property. And you are saying its A-ok for a woman who dated one biker and married another during these wars, and becomes the 'spouse' of 'CNG''s foreign minister is not worth a security check?! Even well-known wives and family members of MPs have to submit financial records so they can be vetted for conflicts of interest! But no, the fact that a biker chick who a contract was almost out on who is attending the swearing in of the first CON government since Kim Campbell is just peachy with all you law and order types?
You are making fools of yourselves by dismissing this(as usual). This woman could have had access to lots of information regarding national security, such as opium crop eradication, for instance. All she had to do was wait til her CON minister boyfriend fell asleep.
And this is the policy you CONs want to continue? If you sleep with a CON you are suddenly above reproach? Good luck on that policy decision there, CON amateurs.
Oh, and the not answering simple questions in the House - keep it up. It's good entertainment to watch the best and brightest the right can come up with fail spectacularly.
Bernier won't be able to run out the fire exit (as is the style of you CONs - there's lots of video) on Tuesday to avoid questions in committee... so keep defending him.
Posted by: joe bleau | 2008-05-11 5:19:49 PM
Has anybody ever mentioned what a self-righteous, judgemental a**hole you are?
Canadian values ... a nation built on self-righteous, judgemental a**sholiness.
Posted by: set you free | 2008-05-11 5:26:19 PM
(deepblue | 11-May-08 7:27:26 AM in quotes)
"As has been pointed out before Joe Blow, the fact these lying, thieving liberals still hold a balance of the power in this country, and are still polling like they do reflects a hell of a lot more on the so called voters in this country than it does on the parties. "
deepblue doesn't know the HarperCONs are the government, and he hates Canadians.
"Go look in the mirror a**hole, you and your ilk are the real problem. And yes sadly, that says a lot about this country."
I hit a nerve, and deepblue still hates this country.
"Isn't it these same a**hose libs who shriek about politics staying out of the bedrooms of the nation, in fact didn't they make one man cornholing another not only mainstream, but legally on par with regular marriage, and now their concerned about something like this? It is to laugh really."
Yeh, it is to laugh since the last person I heard shriek the trudeau quote was Peter Van Loan.
And every Canadian should be concerned about national security, shouldn't they?
Posted by: joe bleau | 2008-05-11 5:30:28 PM
(set you free | 11-May-08 5:26:19 PM in quotes)
"Has anybody ever mentioned what a self-righteous, judgemental a**hole you are?"
(I notice you had no response to the specifics of my post, and chose profanity instead. Typical CON copout)
Self-righteous? Judgemental? You CON clowns wrote the book on it! Look at the CON response on the Cadman scandal - your HarperCONs claimed what Cadman said on your hated MSM was more credible what the dying man said to his own wife and daughter!
"Canadian values ... a nation built on self-righteous, judgemental a**sholiness."
set you free hates canada almost as much as deepblue...
Posted by: joe bleau | 2008-05-11 5:39:50 PM
No, I despise your self-righteous judgmental attitide on a relationship you know nothing about.
That's in both Cadman's and in Bernier's cases.
I assume the MSM reference to Cadman was the contents of an interview with him before he died.
Know what that last sentence sounds like?
It sounds exactly like the type of phrases ROGER used to write.
Gossipy, self-righteous, judgemental a**sholes, both of you.
Posted by: set you free | 2008-05-11 5:46:33 PM
Gee, things were going well until bleau job showed up.
He really is trolling for an overreaction to justify his view of the issue.
I happen to agree that Harper needs to deal with this guy harshly. He was pressured into stacking the cabinet with francophones, and got stuck with an underqualified minister. Sounds a lot like the last liberal leadership convention doesn't it?
Posted by: dp | 2008-05-11 6:38:20 PM
It appears the all knowing, righteous brothers/ Siamese twins,joe bleau/daveh don't agree with the famous Trudeau axiom, "the state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation" when it's not convenient to do so.
Time to cut the crap and get on with serious business. This Conservative government is very tuned in to security, much more so than the Libranos.
Like all the other attempts at smear, there's nothing here, move along.
Posted by: Liz J | 2008-05-11 7:05:44 PM
Joe Blow - it`s pretty laughable when someone thinks that there actually was a ' Cadman affair ' . Is it not reasonable that Chuckles told his dim witted wife a white lie to justify his pension money grab . Of course it is . But then you and your lib cronies are not about to ' blow ' a chance to try and make hay. And again Liz , repeat after me ' Facts mean nothing , perception rules ' .
Posted by: daveh | 2008-05-11 7:56:42 PM
'Anyone else notice that just after Pierre Elliott Trudeau made his famous comment that the government has no place in the bedrooms of the nation, the Librano$ ended up in EVERY room in the house?
And how about his relationships with Liona Boyd and Deborah Coyne, and Maggie Trudeau's drug-addled relationships with the Rolling Stones and other rockers? 'Notice the MSM had nothing to say about them.
Double standards abound when it comes to what the press will report about their friends and what they'll report about Conservative politicians. The press are the unelected disloyal Opposition in this country--and in the case of the CBC it's particularly galling, seeing as we're paying the shot.
Posted by: batb | 2008-05-11 8:16:03 PM
It's funny to read Liz J today.
I remember her taking very seriously B. Stronach's behaviour when she switched party & sexual partner.
Nobody cares who he sleep with.
The question everyone is asking is: does he have links to organised criminals since he was with an ex-biker babe ?
If the answer is no, then fine - but one have to ask the question and this issue deserves to be looked at seriously.
We wouldn't be hearing of a politician responsible of Environment going to orgies on the week-ends but the man is in charge of national security and he was going out with a beautiful lady really close to organised crime...
It's a bit "special" to see you Cons attacking medias and politicians for raising the question.
It's a matter of national security - not witch party is the worst nor the sexual behaviour of politicians.
In fact, I'm a bit surprised Harper didn't already chase out the man. Not that this would be appropriate but it's simply not his style to let go a story without firing someone.
Our polticians can sleep with 3 people at a time and nobody would buy newspapers for that.
But a politician responsible of national security having an affair with an ex-biker babe and then seems to be amazed to have to answer questions sounds...well...amazingly stupid.
Posted by: Marc | 2008-05-11 10:59:29 PM
"In 2007, opium poppy cultivation in Afghanistan reached an all-time high of 193,000 hectares. Traditionally, the processing of opium into heroin occurred in Afghanistan's neighboring countries, notably Pakistan, Iran and Turkey, with very few heroin production facilities located within Afghanistan. However, in recent years there has been a significant increase in the number of laboratories moving upstream along smuggling routes. As a result, Afghanistan is now a major centre for heroin and morphine production, not just opium cultivation. This process is only made possible by the smuggling of thousands of tons of precursor chemicals, most importantly acetic anhydride, into Afghanistan every year."
Certainly a coincidence but…
by refusing to adress the issue seriously, the CPC expose itself to every interpretations.
Strategically, it would be an error to let the people make their own conclusions on a subject as serious as this one.
Posted by: Marc | 2008-05-11 11:41:30 PM
I think everyone has missed the point. Is it not the RCMP or CSIS's job to catch this before it could be a problem? Oh, thats right they destroyed the Air India tapes. Also I remember a vehicle full of people ariving in a container. Good thing the nuke never went off. The security people need to watch the required people, ports and Martins ships instead of confiscating nail clippers and bothering the law abiding citizens. I would still like to find out which politicians, judges, lawyers and etc. are Skull and Bones, Bohemian Grove attendees and etc..
Posted by: Guess What | 2008-05-12 12:49:12 AM
Marc, Belinda Stronach's sexual partners or anyone elses is of no concern to me. The crass and sneaky way Belinda did what she did to the Conservative Party and her then "boyfriend" for personal gain was the story.
Let's wait for further information and clarity on this latest attempt at smear by the Bloc and Liberals. The NDP are showing common decency on this one.
If the media don't want to run with it there has to be a very good reason. One could be fear of litigation.
Posted by: Liz J | 2008-05-12 6:51:17 AM
Well the news is out so any comments as to whether this is private or not is irrelevant. The fact is that it is now public whether you like it or not.
And it makes Maxime look like a shallow, horny and foolish idiot. And this on top of his foolish recent gaffes in Afghanistan. I do not suffer fools gladly nor should Stephen Harper, nor should the conservative party. I was embarrassed to see Stockwell Day defending this goof. I am a strong conservative supporter and I want this dimwitted Minister excised immediately.
I judge people based upon their choice of partner. Maybe I wish I did not but I do. And I am especially judgemental about those people who are looking after my national security interests, personal life be damned.
Bye bye Maxime. If you think the roasting you're getting in the media is harsh, just wait till Stevie is done with you.
Posted by: Epsilon | 2008-05-12 9:14:21 AM
"Let's wait for further information and clarity on this latest attempt at smear by the Bloc and Liberals."
Ok Liz, I got you.
The Libs & the Bloc asking questions on his unintelligent choices as a politician responsible of National security = bad.
A politician responsible of national security going out with biker babes; but with a CPC's tag = good.
The NPD, not caring about National security questions = "common decency".
Is there anything more you would like to share about your sense of logic ?
It's not like if the opposition is…
-Deforming the facts to deliberately attack this "Joe Louis" carrier.
-Questioning the CPC's ability of governing on Bernier's behaviour.
He's the one lacking of judgement and making his own choices and since he's responsible of national security, I sincerely believe the opposition is doing their job.
The Bloc, for example, doesn't have any political capital to gain from asking this very appropriate question. You did like them when they make the Sponsorship scandal out, didnt you ?
Lay down your CPC's pom-poms for a second and imagine this would happen while the Libs are in power. Would you be glad the CPC is asking explanations on this very serious matter ?
You're a perfect example of what's wrong and unhealthy with neocons.
Posted by: Marc | 2008-05-12 11:20:53 AM
Harper, in french, comparing Duceppe and Dion as "gossips debaters" on an issue as serious as that was something too...
Posted by: Marc | 2008-05-12 11:29:31 AM
Yeah, right Marc. Any day now we should see big fat stinking Biker Dudes roaring onto Parliament Hill to take over the country.
No doubt you consider it fair to assume Bernier gave out top secrets during some interesting pillow talk with Madam Couillard and she in turn passed it on to the Biker Dudes, yadda, yadda.......
It is just too damned stupid even for the NDP to jump on the bandwagon with such nonsense. It's all about dirty politics being played by the pathetic Blocheads and willing, equally desperate Liberals.
Posted by: Liz J | 2008-05-12 11:34:13 AM
I support Harper, but..
When he found out his minister had a relationship with someone who had(has?) direct ties with organized crime, he should have thanked the opposition for bring it to his attention. He should have fired Bernier within a day. He should have then informed the opposition that he had no prior knowledge of the situation, and assured Canadians that to the best of his knowledge, no matters of security had been compromised.
Anyone who thinks this is just a tattooed stripper who made a few bad choices is naive. This gang is every bit as organized and connected as any you'll see on a Godfather movie. Don't let the motorcycles and greasy hair fool you. It's a business, a big business.
Posted by: dp | 2008-05-12 11:55:22 AM
"No doubt you consider it fair to assume Bernier gave out top secrets during some interesting pillow talk with Madam Couillard and she in turn passed it on to the Biker Dudes, yadda, yadda"
I consider it fair (and I'm expecting) that the opposition is asking questions on Bernier's possible relations with the organised crime since he go to political events with the former wife of a person deeply involved from that millieu.
I don't have to ask myself if it's "fair" and I don't have to "assume" anything osti !
In fact, whatever comes to light after all this, I'm not shy to criticize right now his huge lack of judgement as a politician >responsible of national security< who decide to go out with that person.
You want the people to give him the benifit of doubt on what exactly Liz J...?
"Is there anything more you would like to share about your sense of logic ?"
"Yeah, right Marc. Any day now we should see big fat stinking Biker Dudes roaring onto Parliament Hill to take over the country."
I don't have any more questions nor comments, Liz.
Posted by: Marc | 2008-05-12 12:00:44 PM
THANK YOU !
Posted by: Marc | 2008-05-12 12:02:11 PM
"Lay down your CPC's pom-poms for a second and imagine this would happen while the Libs are in power."
Things of this nature, and much, much worse happened while the libs were in power, where was the accountability then, or now for that matter?
Posted by: deepblue | 2008-05-12 12:30:43 PM
That's true deepblue. I think that's why Harper is Prime Minister today. I'd like him to stay in power. That's why I think he should maintain higher standards than they did.
Posted by: dp | 2008-05-12 12:38:55 PM
What if, in 10 years, Brenda Martin started dating a Bloc Quebecois MP?
Other than the fact that the BQ is irrelevant today and is unlikely to have a member in parliament in 10 years?
If, by some chance, Brenda Martin was dating this BQ MP, would it be fair for another MP to question the judgement of somebody who had received the proceeds of crime?
Or, is this just a matter of degree?
Does the fact Mom Boucher allegedly had a hit our on Mlle Coullard mean it's likely she would go and blab what she knew to a bunch of bikers?
I'm sure we've all done something stupid in the past 10 years, but why is she still being held accountable for a mistake of her youth?
Posted by: set you free | 2008-05-12 12:40:02 PM
"That's why I think he should maintain higher standards than they did."
Where do you draw the line dp?
Do you really think throwing Bernier under the bus will ingratiate Harper to the libs?
Do you really think it will get a single vote from the mindless minions that another poster noted a while back would rather eat a rat shit sandwich than ever vote conservative?
If the libs and the corrupt press had their choice, every conservative that stands up in, or is in parliament would be cast out.
It is self defeating to throw conservatives under the bus simply to sooth conservatives feelings thinking it is going to make an impression on the left or their mindless supporters.
They are corrupt by nature and if there is no scandal they will just simply make one up, as they have been doing since becoming the opposition.
Posted by: deepblue | 2008-05-12 12:55:39 PM
I'm sorry SYF, but this is not a "mistake of her youth". This woman was not only married to the mob, she dated several other known mob associates. She's no more innocent than Virginia Hill. She chose a life among some of the most dangerous people in Canada. Women like her live and die in that lifestyle. Her stint with a politician was a lark. It may have cost her her life. She once came close to being whacked for having too much knowledge of internal business. This publicity isn't good for business either.
By falling in with this sort of person, Bernier showed incredibly bad judgement that can't go unpunished.
Posted by: dp | 2008-05-12 12:57:05 PM
That's a lot of "IF", Set.
Did you have anything to bring other than that ?
Posted by: Marc | 2008-05-12 1:00:58 PM
"Where do you draw the line dp?"
Answering properly an issue where your Minister of national security is going out with a biker chick would be a good start.
Posted by: Marc | 2008-05-12 1:07:06 PM
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