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Tuesday, April 29, 2008

Fun with words

The Audacity of Hype has more problems with his spiritual mentor pastor.

To recap, what Obama says now:

He was never my quote unquote, spiritual adviser, my quote unquote spiritual mentor, he was my pastor.

What Obama said last month:

The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor. He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine; who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God's work here on Earth - by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS.

Posted by D.J. McGuire on April 29, 2008 in International Politics, Religion | Permalink

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You do know the difference between evangelism and discipleship right?

I think it's you crowd who are twisting the words, and pumping the hype, and bending the truth here. There's no contradiction in saying Wright patriotically served his country (he did), faithfully executed his office as a pastor (he did), and said some really stupid things from the pulpit (he did).

When McCain stood up in the 2004 convention and said there was no better man to lead the USA than George W. Bush, was he then contradicting himself when in 2008 he strolled the damaged portions of New Orleans and said this was a complete failure of leadership in Washington? Nope. Neither was Obama contradicting himself here.

Find. Real. Issues. This gotcha bullshit is beneath you all.

Posted by: Pattern Recognition | 2008-04-29 1:59:15 PM


Putting words in bold and iralics does not make them sinister and is not an argument. But more importantly, none of those passages contradict Obama's claim that Wright was never his spiritual adviseror spiritual mentor. Those terms imply a special relationship - a one-on-one counselling sort of relationship.

Let's look at each of the highlighted phrases in reverse order:

(1) "led a church that serves the community by doing God's work here on Earth". Yeah? So? What does saying this about him imply about their relationship? Nothing. In fact, these are words one could say even if one had never met him. Why you highlighted them is an absolute mystery.

(2) "spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor". Again, so? That sounds like what pastors do. I am sure that anyone who ever attended any of Wright's services could say this of him. In fact, given that his sermons (some of them) are available on YouTube now, I am sure anyone could say this truthfully of him.

(3) "helped introduce me to my Christian faith". Wow! That is damning! One would never expect a typical parishoner to say this of a pastor... er ... forget that. Note that Obama did not say, "He is primarily/solely responsible for introducing me..." Just that Wright "helped". Nothing spectacular here.


It seems you are so caught up in your own word games that you refuse to see the plain meaning of the words in front of you. Whatever. Play your silly games if you must. They have nothing to do with government and who would best lead it, anyway.

Posted by: Fact Check | 2008-04-29 2:08:25 PM


What did Obama say about the good residents of Pennsylvania.

Something about finding refuge from bitterness in guns and religion?

Obama is shooting himself in the foot and getting shot down by the guy he claimed was his spiritual leader for the past 20 years.

I'm kinda starting to believe that the religious Wright really doesn't want Obama to win.

If Obama did win, how can Wright possibly continue his marxist liberation theology tactic of dividing humans along racial lines?
If Obama loses, Wright can continue to blame whitey for his own failings.

Posted by: set you free | 2008-04-29 2:10:49 PM


If Obama did win, how can Wright possibly continue his marxist liberation theology tactic of dividing humans along racial lines?
If Obama loses, Wright can continue to blame whitey for his own failings.

Posted by: set you free | 29-Apr-08 2:10:49 PM

Ohhhh, the evil Marxist agenda again. Tell ya SYF they are everywhere and they are gunning for you, well, figurativly of course, they don't have guns, the State took them away from them.

Posted by: Snowrunner | 2008-04-29 2:15:22 PM


It's all Bush's fault.

Posted by: gerry | 2008-04-29 3:12:42 PM


Obama is having the floorborads ripped out from under him by Wright. It's becoming more and more obvious that Obama has a very real problem of discernment. 20 years in this man's church. A church founded on Marxist/liberation theology.

It seems that the two of them disagree on how to achieve their ends goals. Thus we have Wright torpedoing Obama...Obama might just as well pack it in now. He's done like dinner.

Posted by: Markalta | 2008-04-29 4:14:28 PM


Obama cannot have it both ways. In a country where whites expect you to look white, and blacks expect you to act black, a biracial candidate of any party faces the worst of both worlds.


Because he wanted the cake of political privilege, Obama has tried hard to both have and eat it. Though he could not look white, he could act white... and since he looked black, Obama had a head start at being accepted among blacks. But there was that whole "acting black" complication.


How to establish one's black cultural bona fides, then? Deliberately, Obama chose to associate with "authentically black" institutions, including the black church community. Unfortunately, in supporting Jeremiah Wright's alienating creed of black liberation theology, Obama made a terrible (perhaps fatal) error.


So this day, when Obama has to choose between defending his 20-year ties to the radical mentor who helped him climb the black power ladder, or abandoning that mentor in order to pander to dumbfounded whites who thought he was "one of us" ... well, this day could have been predicted.


It's a shame that the Democrats will almost certainly kick off the general election season with a candidate so weary, so wounded, so weighed down by his old albatrosses, that he simply doesn't have a prayer against a unified and invigorated Republican Party.


Since this debacle is self-inflicted, it's hard to be sympathetic to Dems, given that they should have vetted Obama with open eyes and yet did not -- until now. And now is just too late.

Posted by: J Cline | 2008-04-29 6:55:04 PM


snowy:

What? No comment about blaming whitey for his own failings?

Of course, the brand of liberation theology Wright spouts can be traced back to tactics used in African and South American churches overrun by marxist thugs. Hold on. Marxist thugs, that's redundant. What part of liberation theology don't you understand?

Create division based on some difference. Exploit. Divide and conquer.

If Wright was expousing true Christian values, he would be saying this from his pulpit, a passage that actually appears in the Bible.

“Whether Jew or Greek, man or woman, rich or poor ... all are equal in the eyes of God."

Curious that 2000 years ago, a system comes along that exploits differences in race, sex and economic status. And, all in the name of progress.


Posted by: set you free | 2008-04-29 7:07:17 PM


Well, Set, you'll have to admit that:
“Whether Jew or Greek, man or woman, rich or poor ... all are equal in the eyes of God."
has not always been repected in your system neither. I've seen you attacking those yourself. Are you espousing real Christian values ?

Posted by: Marc | 2008-04-29 7:21:47 PM


marc:

Yes.

Posted by: set you free | 2008-04-29 7:42:01 PM


More than me mon ami I'm sure.
And I respect that.
Don't worry.
*
But who cares really ?
Hillary is the one that got the best friends. Just like George and her husband had before her.
...and we would not forget the other George before him.

Is there anymore questions on that election ?
Or maybe their election process ?

Posted by: Marc | 2008-04-29 7:50:46 PM


marc:

Human beings, on the other hand ...

Posted by: set you free | 2008-04-29 7:56:26 PM


The special kind ;-

Posted by: Marc | 2008-04-29 8:18:52 PM


it's times like these i wished i worked for the toronto star.....


to bad the best has seen the downsizing
bubble from first hand....

bo ho ho

Posted by: brian | 2008-04-29 9:21:14 PM


it's times like these i wished i worked for the toronto star.....


to bad the best has seen the downsizing
bubble from first hand....

bo ho ho

Posted by: brian | 2008-04-29 9:21:23 PM


What? No comment about blaming whitey for his own failings?

Posted by: set you free | 29-Apr-08 7:07:17 PM

Isn't that your line? You know, that "Liberals" and all the other people you don't like are just out and about to destroy "Western Civilization", I take it that's your euphemism for "whitey's destroying himself".

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Of course, the brand of liberation theology Wright spouts can be traced back to tactics used in African and South American churches overrun by marxist thugs. Hold on. Marxist thugs, that's redundant. What part of liberation theology don't you understand?

Posted by: set you free | 29-Apr-08 7:07:17 PM

Projecting again? You seem to see Marxist at every corner, forcing "Das Kapital" onto you and if you refuse they threaten you by reading passages out of it, most likely in German which seems to make you all jittery.

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Create division based on some difference. Exploit. Divide and conquer.

Posted by: set you free | 29-Apr-08 7:07:17 PM

I wonder why people go for it? I mean seriously, the amount of brain power you and Adam alone have wasted on Wright and Obama is staggering by now.

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If Wright was expousing true Christian values, he would be saying this from his pulpit, a passage that actually appears in the Bible.

“Whether Jew or Greek, man or woman, rich or poor ... all are equal in the eyes of God."

Posted by: set you free | 29-Apr-08 7:07:17 PM

Ah? What passage is that? Please provide the reference, I am curious to see on which translation you based this quote.

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Curious that 2000 years ago, a system comes along that exploits differences in race, sex and economic status. And, all in the name of progress.


Posted by: set you free | 29-Apr-08 7:07:17 PM

Ever heard of Marketing? Not all is as it seems.

Posted by: Snowrunner | 2008-04-30 1:13:38 AM


Snowrunner stated:
"You seem to see Marxist at every corner"

I think you exaggerate. SYF has clearly mentioned the marxist liberation theology that is foundational in Rev. Wright's church. It is part of the church's constitution. What part of that do you disagree with?

Posted by: Markalta | 2008-04-30 10:59:59 AM



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