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Tuesday, April 22, 2008
Cool heads over hot air
Just in time for Earth Day, more than 76,000 people have now signed an online petition opposing climate alarmism.
And, oh yes, there was frost in Greater Vancouver this morning.
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"And, oh yes, there was frost in Greater Vancouver this morning."
Weather != Climate.
Come on Terry, you know that.
Posted by: Snowrunner | 2008-04-22 1:02:55 PM
Minus 8 Snow and blowing. I guess it's just getting warmer in a negative way.
Posted by: Brian Mallard | 2008-04-22 1:23:42 PM
Why do the Harper sheep reject science? They reject evolution theory in favour of their fairytale of "creationism," they reject climate science in favour of propaganda put out by oil companies, they reject environmental science in favour of "freedom to pollute." These idiots reject science because they are just plain ignorant. They think climate change means the daily whether changes immediately! LOL! Are these home-schooled and church-schooled whackos? Must be!
Posted by: ROGER | 2008-04-22 1:30:12 PM
"Climate is what you expect, weather is what you get".
You cannot totally disengage weather from climate. The accepted model for climate is 30 years of weather. How often have we been shown graphs that extrapolate 10 years of weather into a model for climate change?
I'm going to project the 30 cm of snow in my driveway to a trip to Mexico. I sure hope our man Stephen works out a good deal with those guys.
Posted by: dp | 2008-04-22 1:33:39 PM
We're not rejecting science, just the phoney-baloney "solutions" Suzuki and his kind have tried to ram down our throats. Kyoto, already unworkable, was made impossible by granting exemptions to Ontario's auto industry. No amount of science can remedy that kind of corruption.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-04-22 2:58:03 PM
Even _I_ know colder air doesn't hold as much moisture as warmer air will. A warm ocean produces more evaporation, which can lead to precipitation, even in the form of snow. Saskatchewan's snow dump and frost in Vancouver serves the warming message more than it serves the nay-sayer's message. But again: It's. Just. Weather.
NASDAQ is down 0.82% right now, are we in a recession?
Posted by: Pattern Recognition | 2008-04-22 2:58:16 PM
We in Edmonton are proud to be among the first to have wrestled global warming to the ground.
I'm sure it's a direct consequence of the laws enacted by environment minister Baird.
Oh, and BTW. Happy birthday, Lenin.
Posted by: set you free | 2008-04-22 3:03:08 PM
Zeb, even David Suzuki says—I've heard him say it three times in person now—that Kyoto isn't, wasn't and will never be the solution. It was a compromise. A start. A step. A stake in the ground. A base camp. A beachhead.
Here, let me put it in simpler terms... Billy wants all of the candy to himself. Tommy wants Billy to share the candy. Susie decides to talk Billy into at least trying to share by giving Tommy a single candy to start with. Zebby laughs at Tommy and calls him a snake oil salesman and then accuses Susie of starving millions of Ukranians in the 1930's.
Posted by: Pattern Recognition | 2008-04-22 3:04:24 PM
Not exactly PR.
Billy wants all the candy to himself. Tommy is jealous and wants to trick Billy, but doesn't know how. Quick-thinking Susie offers to help trick Billy into thinking the candy is not good for him in exchange for control of all the candy on the playground. Zebby sees what's going on and tries to warn the other kids, but Susie uses her influence over the younger kids to push Zebby out of the playground. Luckily, Zebby finds a playground full of older kids, and the plot begins to be exposed.
Posted by: dp | 2008-04-22 3:15:42 PM
It's spelled Ukrainians.
Posted by: Bocanut | 2008-04-22 3:26:46 PM
well put, dp!
Suzuki is either ignoring the exemptions or trying to capitalize on peoples' ignorance of them to push Kyoto forward. The irony is that without Ontario's financial contribution, Kyoto doesn't have a chance of succeeding. The whole thing is a scam, and Albertans are absolutely correct for opposing it.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-04-22 4:25:33 PM
Uh, Roger, where did Gore get his degree in climatology? What about the billions spent by Sierra Club and pretty much every government on climate change? Actually it is Gore and others that point to today's weather as so called proof of climate change.
Posted by: Faramir | 2008-04-22 4:49:03 PM
you guys don't understand... *sigh*
it's about the love...
...i love the love for humanity the lovely loving Left lovingly, and with love, loves the lovers of humanity...
...but, y'knowww... suuumtimes, and out of a profound, seriously deep loving love for the greater good of the people, -you know, the ones "over there"-, "We have to break a few eggs in order to make an omelet" (Trotsky).
i've always hated omelets. they taste like shit. and they're gonna taste shittier when folks in other parts of the world have to fry 'em with f*cking canola biodiesel because our hippies and statists think it will be better for everyone in the longrun.
may the gods preserve us. i don't really believe Kyoto or anything like it can be implemented, due to logistics and human nature, but the fact that there are so many people on board shows me an incredible ability and willingness for entire masses of people to be suicidally fooled by subjective theory and ideology, rather than objective, tangible evidence, which can be understood by the five senses and critical thinking...
...waaell... maybe i shouldn't say "entire masses of people to be suicidally fooled". i should probably say a "willingness for entire masses of people to be ok with the idea of entire masses of people in faraway parts of the world to suffer for our collective high fibred ideals and granola conscience.
...but, when it's all said and done, and when Mommy Earth starts cooling shortly (take a drive around Edmonton today), we're gonna have to extract all that co2 we will have been shooting and liquefying underground.
~happily, that shouldn't be too expensive. but whose gonna pay for it? yep. you guessed it.
...and all that for a theoretical experiment by the Left to control capitalism.
some children grow up. some don't
~oh yeah. happy Earth Day!! :)
Posted by: shel | 2008-04-22 4:49:11 PM
I reject the coerced science of the Leftist agenda to get our money and destroy capitalism. Maurice Strong is the EVIL behind this fraud.
Climate change is natural and I will adapt. We will all adapt.
In a few years we will all know what a lie this climate scam was but we won't likely get our money back.
Posted by: John West | 2008-04-22 5:55:13 PM
yup. anything a socialist can do to beat down capitalism, no matter how irresponsible, degrading and destructive, he will do it; always with the big picture in front of his view.
...heaven on earth must be built at any cost.
"don't you realise what we're fighting for?"
Posted by: shel | 2008-04-22 6:09:51 PM
It was cold here today in the US South. So I turned off the air conditioning. Seriously, it was so cold here one day that I almost had to turn the heat on. ALMOST!
Apologies to those in my beloved Alberta! :)
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-04-22 6:45:18 PM
It's freezing up here. What would it take to get a green card?
Posted by: dp | 2008-04-22 6:48:54 PM
I hope you're not going to burn it to heat yourself! Are those the extremes to which Suzuki et al want us to go - to end the Canadian dream, which is to become an American?
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-04-22 7:15:35 PM
Roger wrote: “Why do the Harper sheep reject science?”
They don’t. They use the products of hard, confirmed sciences, like technology and engineering, every day, as do we all. They reject certain types of POLITICIZED science, whish is not only natural for politicians, but proper.
Roger wrote: “They reject evolution theory in favour of their fairytale of ‘creationism’…”
Yes, unlike the liberal fairy tale that it is impossible to amass material comforts without screwing somebody. That said, what initiatives, laws, or policies have they proposed that would remove evolution from the classroom?
Roger wrote: “they reject climate science in favour of propaganda put out by oil companies…”
As opposed to rejecting the “science” of the environmentalists, whose scare tactics just happen to be one of the biggest money-making industries in the country? Didn’t Al Gore’s “Green Trust Fund” just crack five billion dollars? And don’t you use oil and its products in your everyday life? Why don’t you vote with your wallet and stop using oil products? Or are you waiting for the government to break down your door and confiscate them by force so you can have something else to bitch about?
Roger wrote: “they reject environmental science in favour of "freedom to pollute."
A freedom you exploit to a much greater extent than almost every other resident of planet Earth. You personally are a particularly voluminous source of waste hot air.
Roger wrote: “These idiots reject science because they are just plain ignorant.”
Says the overcaffienated pipsqueak who apparently has the Conservative Party of Canada confused with Doctor Schuller, Oral Roberts, and Jimmy Swaggart.
Roger wrote: “They think climate change means the daily whether changes immediately! LOL! Are these home-schooled and church-schooled whackos? Must be!”
They think climate change means weather change, period. That’s okay, though; I understand why any alternatives to state-funded mass socialist indoctrination make you wet the bed at night. It will only take a few more Canadians to suddenly realize the emperor has no clothes for the tipping point to occur. By the way, have you divested yourself of all your oil-based products yet?
Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2008-04-23 10:44:15 AM
In the "Billy wants the candy" analogy above: It does not matter what anyone wants, pleads for, is willing to fight for, or is willing to trick for. The only salient points are: a) Who now owns it? and b) Did they acquire it honestly?
That's a concept that collectivists have long struggled with: Want is not need.
Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2008-04-23 10:49:15 AM
NEWSFLASH TO SHAME MAT: the oil companies don't own the world's petroleum resources and are not synonimous with petroleum, as was demonstrated in 1971 when Libya broke the oligopsony of Big Oil and became the first OPEC member nation to set its own price for oil to the oil companies!
Big oil would view $5 billion as chump change.
The solution to public policy issues is to develop a public policy, not the empty headed hippie notion of personal action in a vaccuum! I am surprised that some oil company baboon would chatter about what an individual is doing instead of debate the substantive policy issues! LOL! Redherrings, canards, quack quack... dog and pony post from a Shame!
Albertans are being ripped off by the oil companies who are getting the oil for next to nothing. Albertan taxpayers will be left to foot the bills for environmental cleanup, polluted water, droughts, urban development and planning costs, infrastructure costs, utility and social service and healthcare costs, while the companies rip off and take off with the obscene profits. Stupidity costs--Albertans are gonna pay big!
Posted by: ROGER | 2008-04-23 11:01:04 AM
At least Alberta will have enough to pay for those things, unlike destitute Ontario.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-04-23 11:28:00 AM
ROGER wrote: “NEWSFLASH TO SHAME MAT: the oil companies don't own the world's petroleum resources and are not synonimous with petroleum, as was demonstrated in 1971 when Libya broke the oligopsony of Big Oil and became the first OPEC member nation to set its own price for oil to the oil companies!”
The oil companies have the right to HARVEST the petroleum, and it amounts to the same thing. To argue that petroleum industries are not synonymous with petroleum is like saying that airlines are not synonymous with commercial air travel.
ROGER wrote: “Big oil would view $5 billion as chump change.”
But Al Gore is only ONE envirovangelist in a world that’s getting FLOODED with them as it becomes ever more hip and trendy. The environmental lobby is one of the biggest industries in the world, and why not? All you need to become rich in this life is a bunch of fools with money and a cause for them to believe in. The environmental industry in the U.S. alone is worth $180 billion. That’s chump change to nobody, my friend.
ROGER wrote: “The solution to public policy issues is to develop a public policy, not the empty headed hippie notion of personal action in a vaccuum!”
So it must be very frustrating for you that empty-headed hippie personal action in a vacuum is most associated with people on your side of the political spectrum.
ROGER wrote: “I am surprised that some oil company baboon would chatter about what an individual is doing instead of debate the substantive policy issues!”
I wish I could say *I* was surprised that a Leftist would be so utterly moronic as to convince himself that his personal resentment of someone’s opinion magically transforms itself into the truth of his working for an oil company. Or that any suggestion that he attempt to influence the market by changing his own buying practices would be met with such hich-decibel shrillery.
ROGER wrote “LOL! Redherrings, canards, quack quack... dog and pony post from a Shame!“
Dodge and deny, the Clinton battle cry.
ROGER wrote: “Albertans are being ripped off by the oil companies who are getting the oil for next to nothing.”
Define “next to nothing.” And since Albertans are riding high in revenues, pay no PST, and are officially debt-free, it’s hard to argue that only the “oil companies” are profiting.
ROGER wrote: “Albertan taxpayers will be left to foot the bills for environmental cleanup, polluted water, droughts, urban development and planning costs, infrastructure costs, utility and social service and healthcare costs, while the companies rip off and take off with the obscene profits.”
The boy claims to see into the future. Say! You wouldn’t happen to be related to another deluded soul named Nostradamus, would you?
ROGER wrote: “Stupidity costs--Albertans are gonna pay big!”
Thanks to communist easterners and their much-despised National Energy Program, which one of Trudeau’s inner circle later freely admitted was designed expressly to funnel Albertan oil revenue into Ottawa, it already has. I doubt they’ll be foolish enough to stand for it a second time, though.
Pissing off the only province that could actually afford to be its own country would be phenomenally stupid--which is exactly why I expect Ottawa to try it the next time the Libs pick up the baton.
Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2008-04-23 12:04:32 PM
LOL! Shame Mat is threatening Alberta secession!!! LOL! Alberta is a little runt of a province with oil. If Alberta had to create its own army, police force, civil service, judicial system, currency and central bank, foreign diplomatic service and all the other trappings of a state, it would be an impoverished little dump in no time. And that is assuming the Americans don't move in and run the hick Albertans off the land and take over! LOL! Shame Mat is all about sedition and high treason. Instead of defending Canada, he is an America sycophant. Big surprise.
Posted by: ROGER | 2008-04-23 12:13:06 PM
" If Alberta had to create its own army, police force, civil service, judicial system, currency and central bank, foreign diplomatic service and all the other trappings of a state, it would be an impoverished little dump in no time."
I wonder who's paying for all this now? I think the province already pays the RCMP for its half-assed service. The civil service costs us plenty and delivers very little anyway. If federal employees want to move to Ontario rather than work for an independant Alberta so be it. Alberta had its own currency in the 30's. I know, it's supposed to be a secret. Foreign diplomatic service? Why not merge that one with the military, and enter into an alliance with our friends and neighbours to the south.
I really hope Quebec gets the ball rolling. Free trade, free markets, I love it.
Posted by: dp | 2008-04-23 12:39:04 PM
just one mad cow in Alberta, and America shutdown the beef industry of Alberta! Americans don't believe in free trade when it hurts them. They would run Albertan clowns off the land, take the oil and gas, hell, they would take the water, trees and even scrape the top soil off and kick you hicks around and then the rest of Canada would have homeless Alberta bums begging on street corners looking for sympathy! Mormons would move in and grab all the young girls and marry them off to grandfathers and expel all the guys--giving them a bible on the way out! LOL! Idiots. Alberta would not survive 5 minutes without Canada.
Posted by: ROGER | 2008-04-23 12:45:42 PM
please explain, objectively and tangibly, how, if Alberta had to create its own army, police force, civil service, judicial system, currency, central bank, foreign diplomacy etc., it would become impoverished, despite our vast resources, infrastructure, technology and recognised world class training systems (UofA, N(S)AIT etc.)... don't give us subjective or speculative answers.
why would you assume the Americans would occupy an autonomous Alberta? the US has never invaded an ally nation under it's immediate protectorate; Canada, Mexico, Europe, and others who are not an immediate threat militarily or to it's self interests.
Posted by: shel | 2008-04-23 12:57:49 PM
ROGER-CUM-TROLL wrote: “just one mad cow in Alberta, and America shutdown the beef industry of Alberta! Americans don't believe in free trade when it hurts them.”
America didn’t shut down the beef industry of Alberta; they simply banned Canadian beef. So, for that matter, did a large number of other countries, including Japan. This is because there is no cheap, non-destructive test for mad cow disease. If American beef has mad cow, Canada stops buying it. This is standard practice. So how is it proof of a one-sided NAFTA?
ROGER-CUM-TROLL wrote: “They would run Albertan clowns off the land, take the oil and gas, hell, they would take the water, trees and even scrape the top soil off and kick you hicks around and then the rest of Canada would have homeless Alberta bums begging on street corners looking for sympathy!”
Wow. They’re starting to sound like Torontonians.
ROGER-CUM-TROLL wrote: “Mormons would move in and grab all the young girls and marry them off to grandfathers and expel all the guys--giving them a bible on the way out! LOL! Idiots. Alberta would not survive 5 minutes without Canada.”
This is exactly why medical marijuana gets such a rough ride in the court of public opinion. We’re dealing with advanced dope-induced brain rot here.
Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2008-04-23 1:28:51 PM
Soft wood lumber... WTO rulings .... court rulings.... arbitration rulings ..... all in Canada's favour ..... but. but. but..... America got what it wanted. NAFTA--totally useless piece of paper.
No soft wood lumber? No oil. You want oil, here's the terms on the soft wood lumber. Simple.
Posted by: ROGER | 2008-04-23 1:33:25 PM
ROGER-CUM-TROLL wrote: “LOL! Shame Mat is threatening Alberta secession!!! LOL!”
I don’t recall threatening anything. I don’t live in Alberta so I can’t speak for them.
ROGER-CUM-TROLL wrote: “ROGER-CUM-TROLL wrote: Alberta is a little runt of a province with oil.”
Actually, it’s larger than any Maritime Province and also larger than Saskatchewan and Manitoba, which puts it fourth out of ten, behind British Columbia. It’s also got more land area than most countries, including Iraq. And it’s got more oil than Saudi Arabia. Turn green, asshole.
ROGER-CUM-TROLL wrote: “If Alberta had to create its own army, police force, civil service, judicial system, currency and central bank, foreign diplomatic service and all the other trappings of a state, it would be an impoverished little dump in no time.”
And yet other countries with far smaller export industries manage to do it all. Printing currency is easy, and Alberta has capital to back it up with. It also already has a judiciary that would effectively require only cosmetic tinkering to make it “national.”
ROGER-CUM-TROLL wrote: “And that is assuming the Americans don't move in and run the hick Albertans off the land and take over! LOL! Shame Mat is all about sedition and high treason. Instead of defending Canada, he is an America sycophant. Big surprise.”
You just can’t get off that bigoted anti-American hobby horse, can you? It’s like a disease that infests central Canada. Got any proof this would actually happen? The War of 1812 was so 200 years ago.
Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2008-04-23 1:36:20 PM
ROGER-CUM-TROLL wrote: "No soft wood lumber? No oil. You want oil, here's the terms on the soft wood lumber. Simple."
I thought you said oil was no big thing, Roger. Oh, and aren't the oil companies evil to begin with?
Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2008-04-23 1:38:09 PM
LOL! Shameful, what do you know of economics, of setting up a new country, central bank or creating institutions? LOL!
Let's start off with the Republic of Alberta Constitution--I assume republicans will outnumber monarchists. LOL! What will the constitution be based on and who will write it and who will ratify it? Would there be international recognition for the Albertan secessionist state? How would Albertans redeem their Canadian currency holdings? What of Aboriginal land claims and treaties? You think Alberta could extinguish it and get away with it?
A runt of a state refers to population, as any fool knows, except for really dumb idiots! LOL!
What is the population of Alberta? How many people can be spared from the private labour force to build a new public workforce? If millions of migrants invade Alberta to fill jobs or just beg on streets, what you gonna do when they want to vote in referenda and elections? You think all those Newfies want to secede from Canada? Nope. LOL!
Albertans think there is endless wealth. They remind me of that stupid Nigerian oil minister of the 1970s who claimed there was no cash flow problem in Nigeria, only a problem with how to spend all the money! LOL! Idiots are everywhere, especially in natural resource rich economies. LOL!
Posted by: ROGER | 2008-04-23 1:46:49 PM
LOL!!!! Shameful, the oil companies don't own the oil! Alberta ought to boot those crooks out and take over the oil fields, like lots of other countries have done successfully!
Shameful thinks without the oil companies, the oil would disappear! He thinks the oil companies are synonimous with having and using oil and controlling oil! LOL!
Posted by: ROGER | 2008-04-23 1:49:22 PM
"LOL! Idiots. Alberta would not survive 5 minutes without Canada."
It's looking more and more like this statement is backward. Free access to world markets would force eastern Canada to re-negotiate with oil producers. No more special deals. Eastern Canada would immediately become dependent on middle east suppliers. Hope you like your new best friends.
Speaking of softwood, where do you guys plan on importing it from, BC? I forgot to tell you, they're with us.
Remember all those $50,000 trucks with the big balls? Check out a map sometime. Detroit is about the same distance from Alberta as Windsor or Oshawa. How do you think Alberta's new currency will stack up against the USD?
How about food? How about oil for food? What about water? The Lord will provide, remember?
Posted by: dp | 2008-04-23 1:57:26 PM
Following the lead of John A. MacDonald, the Canadian military will march into Alberta, proclaim marhsall law and stick all the traitors in jail, take over the oil fields and break any attempts at destroying Canada. All of Canada will cheer on our troops, who will be joined by northern Alberta Aboriginals who will secure the north and block escape of the Albertan traitors trying to flee to escape. Harper would be jailed for his part too! Ralph Klein would be treated for drunken rants at homeless people! Preston Manning would be turned into a muppet doll for a ventriloquist. LOL! Idiots.
Posted by: ROGER | 2008-04-23 2:04:22 PM
" You think all those Newfies want to secede from Canada? Nope. LOL!"
Are you kidding? Most of them think Smallwood tricked them into joining in the first place. An independant Newfoundland would have slapped on a 200 mile limit, and ENFORCED it long before the commies wiped out the cod stocks. You're looking for love in all the wrong places roger.
Quebecois hates you, even though you grovel and brown-nose shamelessly. Alberta hates you because...well just because. BC hates you because you're a dick (they're sick of dealing with dicks). Saskatchewan hates you because you sound brown. Manitoba can't make up its mind. The maritimes hate you because they hate no-it-alls, or fruits as they usually refer to people like you.
I guess it's just you an the Upper Canada monarchists.
Posted by: dp | 2008-04-23 2:13:13 PM
DP--reading comprehension in real life exceeds that of your GED! Newfies in Fort McMurray are not going to vote for Alberta to secede from Canada! How wrong can you be in your reading comprehension skills? As for brown-nosing Quebec, Harper spoke more French than Trudeau in the past 2 years, shovelling billions into Quebec and even giving them recognition as a Peuple! Harper is pandering in the most sickening manner!
No one likes Alberta right now. They gave you guys a chance with Harper and look at what a crook he has turned out to be! Alberta will have to wait for another 150 years before Canadians take a chance on you creeps again.
Posted by: ROGER | 2008-04-23 2:19:44 PM
I forgot to mention that the Aboriginals hate you on principle. They hate you much more than they hate me, this I know.
Posted by: dp | 2008-04-23 2:20:20 PM
You really underestimate the intelligence of the Newfies, don't you. You think they don't understand it was federal bungling that forced them from the sea, and into a filthy work camp 6000 km from home? They don't hate Alberta, they hate the self-serving federal flunkies that put them there.
I don't care if you eastern fruits hate Alberta. That's nothing new. Quebec doesn't hate us, the maritimes don't hate us, the US doesn't hate us. Looks like our friends are a lot more respectable than our enemies.
Posted by: dp | 2008-04-23 2:28:06 PM
The way Roger von Troll's brain is wired, you can almost hear the fuses blowing.
Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2008-04-23 3:21:12 PM
Roger von Troll wrote: "Harper would be jailed for his part too! Ralph Klein would be treated for drunken rants at homeless people! Preston Manning would be turned into a muppet doll for a ventriloquist. LOL!"
Funny, most people don't actually write out their wet dreams.
Posted by: Shane Matthews | 2008-04-23 3:22:05 PM
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