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Monday, March 31, 2008
What if the Tories were tied with the Grits in PEI?
That scenario is - I think - the closest Canadian equivalent to what we're seeing down here in New Jersey (which last went Republican the same year the the Liberals lost the Island - 1988).
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Posted by: John West | 2008-03-31 9:28:51 PM
This is the trend that we're seeing in state polling. Indeed, there's a real divergence in the two. There's no way that McCain is winning, for example, Alabama by twenty-seven points and Virginia by eleven and Obama's even close to McCain.
Posted by: Adam Yoshida | 2008-03-31 10:35:22 PM
I'm thinking PEI is the original brain free Liberal voting area in Canada, talk about potato heads. They don't even grow good potatoes, they've gone to blight like their politics. so bad crops means more subsidizing and they figure Liberalism fills the bill. It's also family tradition handed down through generations.
President Barack Husein Obama? Will not happen in spite of Oprah. Enjoy the hype but IMO Republicans will retain the White House when voters get down to the serious business of who they want to take care of business.
Posted by: Liz J | 2008-04-01 6:00:09 AM
"It’s McCain 45%, Clinton 42% and McCain 46%, Obama 45%."
So McGuire, McCain would be 45% or 46% ?
What's wrong with you Liz ? PEI Potatoes are served in the best restaurants. Stop whining just because its a huge part of your personallity.
Posted by: Marc | 2008-04-01 6:46:31 AM
Prince Edward Island where I have spent a lot of years off and on -should not be a Province at all
it should be a Federal District like the District of Columbia USA. Liberal Patronage in rampant on PEI who in fact introduced total Patronage control of that sleazy money pot ACOA -The Harper Government wisely cut some $39million off their annual budget yesterday -ACOA Bureaucrats all Political appointees work constantly against the Harper Government.
Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2008-04-01 7:38:35 AM
Jack, here are some helpful notes on commas.
Here are some notes on dashes—versus hyphens or minus-symbols—over at the same site.
As for PEI being turned into an independent district like Washington, DC, that doesn't make sense. Washington, DC was declared a independent district in order to prevent any one state from having authority over federal properties like the Capitol or the White House.
Posted by: Pattern Recognition | 2008-04-01 8:41:50 AM
Drop-dash-fucking Dead -MacLeod
Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2008-04-01 8:57:59 AM
Oh, damn, my mistake, Marc, it's Quebec potatoes that are not good. Please forgive me.
Posted by: Liz J | 2008-04-01 9:26:02 AM
Well, As PEI is my second home (or half- home), I'm not too fond of the trashing it gets, fairly regularly. You know, they do occassionally elect Con. provincial gov'ts.
I think the main reason that they don't elect cons. feds is that the cons. feds don't try very hard. They don't find 'community' candidates. PEI's elect people they know and like ALREADY. Another problem is that they haven't yet shown a good reason to change 'patterns'. What's important to Islanders? What has the Harper gov't done 'differently' in these areas?
Now, I know a lot of you guys don't think the so-con vote is relevant, but PEI is consistently pro-life. The current prov. gov't isn't. That might be a good way to get a few extra seats. Find 'community' pro-life candidates.
I know, it really isn't that important on a nat'l level (so why the flack?)
Posted by: lwestin | 2008-04-01 10:56:21 AM
"Oh, damn, my mistake, Marc, it's Quebec potatoes that are not good. Please forgive me."
Well, that's not completly true.
There's a place in Québec called St-Amable where everyone have the same familly name. They grow great potatoes there but not as good as those from PEI. You've maybe heard from this place when a huge fire burned a tire dumb in the 90's. I'm wondering if it's not because of that that the potatoes taste so good. Stop being such a hater, Liz. It does not suits you well and makes you sound like a frustated butch and you don't want that.
Posted by: Marc | 2008-04-01 11:10:16 AM
Looking for "pro-life" candidates in PEI would paint a big fat bulls-eye on the CPC when healthcare coverage is a Provincial bailiwick and Stephen Harper wants to devolve Federal powers to the provinces.
If Islanders want to defund abortion it is up to them to make it happen at the provincial level.
Destroying the chance at a majority government for the CPC just to promote provincial policy candidates in PEI would be political suicide.
Why do PEI residents elect Liberals?
They want Federal transfer payments, that's why.
If your political strategy is based on robbing Peter to pay Paul, Paul can always be counted on to sell his vote.
I think the Conservative(So-Con) vote is important.
It's just that the only way electing So-Cons is viable is at the Provincial level and can never work really work federally unless So-Con Federal policy takes a back seat.
The 1867 Confederation Act gives the people of each province the power to determine their own provincial culture.
Let the Federal government devolve those powers that the Liberals have usurped from the Provinces back to the Provinces.
The people of PEI should vote Conservative on that basis rather than shackling the CPC to unworkable Federal policy initiatives.
Posted by: Speller | 2008-04-01 11:32:58 AM
PEI doesn't have abortions. (I'm not quite sure if they fund them elsewhere.)
Look, PEI has gov't jobs, fishing and farming. Some tourism, and not much else. People have a community perspective. They don't like 'suits' and they aren't fond of outsiders. The CPC needs better candidates, who are already known and appreciated in their own right. If the CPC has a case to make, 'devolving powers' back to the province, it has to be made by people PEI already know.
My father-in-law was a pastor there for many years. He once was at the funeral of a man who had lived on the Island for 90 of his 93 yrs, and overheard a comment - "it's a shame they didn't send him HOME to be buried." Still 'from away' after 90 yrs!!
Posted by: lwestin | 2008-04-01 1:29:36 PM
I understand the need to find PEI personalities for CPC candidates.
>"PEI doesn't have abortions. (I'm not quite sure if they fund them elsewhere.)"
What is and isn't funded by provincial healthcare is not a Federal matter.
Posted by: Speller | 2008-04-01 1:35:45 PM
My point was that if they managed to present a contrast to the prov. gov't , in representatives, then they might get some seats. (I actually get the difference between fed and prov, responsibilities, though I would argue that the fed is ALSO interested in 'culture'.)
Posted by: lwestin | 2008-04-01 6:27:27 PM
Yes, lwestin, the Feds are interested in culture.
Culture, however, comes from grassroots not the government and the 1867 Confederation Act puts culture, or more accurately, the things that promote culture at a grassroots level, in the jurisdiction of Provincial governments.
That the Feds are interested in culture is merely a byproduct of socialist intervention in Canadian culture(Big Brother) and the usurping of Provincial powers by the Liberals in the Federal government.
Islanders would serve their own culture better to view that distinction clearly and vote against the political party that has eroded their economic conditions, and therefore their culture, the most.
Stephen Harper stated that the Maritimes have a "culture of defeat".
That is true and it is also true that Maritimers resented that truth and voted Liberal to spite him.
What they should have done was rejected the "culture of defeat" that the Liberals imposed on them by rejecting the Liberals.
Posted by: Speller | 2008-04-02 7:32:55 AM
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