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Saturday, March 22, 2008

France sending more troops to Afghanistan

Seems a lot has changed since French president Sarkozy came to office last year and now 1000 more French troops will be deployed to Afghanistan to help increase the NATO presence in the country:

That's good news

Posted by Winston on March 22, 2008 in International Affairs, Military | Permalink

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I assume that these 1,000 troops aren't caterers or supply clerks who will stay safe in Kandahar. I hope that they are front-line infantry, preferably Foreign Legion, properly equipped for the local conditions, including helicopters.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-03-22 7:12:24 PM


Zeb,

I actually hope they are top notch caterers. Real soldiers deserve to eat well when doing the real business of protecting and defending our freedoms.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2008-03-22 7:22:02 PM


Oh I agree - good food is essential. But French food? Nah. It's not my thing. Italian food would be a huge improvement.

I was amazed to hear that the US brought in Subway, Pizza Hut, et al to both Afghanistan and Iraq; Canada followed suit with Tim Hortons. A Korea vet once told me he was in the front line eating ice cream and drinking cold Coke thanks to the US Army.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-03-22 8:33:25 PM


Zeb,
Whatever a soldier likes (food wise) is what a soldier deserves.

Let the French supply food to the real soldiers until such time as their gov't has earned the right to rejoin civilized nations.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2008-03-22 8:37:58 PM


When the French elected Mr. Sarkozy they rejoined the optimistic part of Western Civilization.

I'm very pleased to hear this news, and I'm confident their additional soldiers will serve brilliantly.


Posted by: Conrad-USA | 2008-03-22 8:59:40 PM


Conrad,

An election proves nothing to me except showing what might be.

I want results.

When the French soldiers being proving themselves in battle like Canadian soldiers these past few years and American soldiers for these past few decades then I will honour them.

The take-no-prisoners enemy is waiting. Is Europe up for the task...in their own back yard?

Time will tell.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2008-03-22 9:32:04 PM


...maybe this is a warm-up for Paris?

Posted by: tomax7 | 2008-03-22 10:04:33 PM


The French won't go to Kandahar. They won't fight.

Posted by: Sounder | 2008-03-23 11:18:38 AM


Afghanistan is about to experience fine pastries and wine.

Will any of the French soldiers be bringing guns with them?

Sarkozom aside, I will be watching to see where and how these newbies serve. We need all the help we can get.

Posted by: John West | 2008-03-23 11:55:59 AM


h2o273kk9 -

I think the French election tells a lot.

Sarkozy was a crystal clear opposite 180 degree turnabout from everything which the unerring "main stream media" told us was exactly what the people of France wanted for ever and ever more (Communism).

But somehow the "media" got it a little bit TOTALLY wrong!

As they always do. The "main stream media" do not report, they make up stories about what they wish was true (and which will never be so for as long as human beings desire freedom).

Any soldier is honorable and brave from day one, if in fact he is volunteering to put himself into danger. Then if he is adequately trained and drilled and Faithful, he will be brave, in the terror of war.

If they volunteered for dangerous national military service, they are honorable.

If they are conscripted, they are honorable (one can always lie and trick your way out of "mandatory" military service, like President Bill Clinton did).

If they "joined" the military with the intention of never actually serving or putting themselves into danger (e.g. the American "women in the military" program) then there is no honor in their "service" (because it is all TAKE, and merely puts actual soldiers at greater risk; a complete fraud).

The soldiers of France are brave, and now the elected leadership of France is honorable, so their soldiers lives will be invested carefully for honorable purpose.

Posted by: Conrad-USA | 2008-03-23 3:39:19 PM


It's a bit of a msconception to think the French are less brave than anyone else. We shouldn't judge the courage of the average Frenchman based on decisions made by a few French governments.

Let's also remember that France has nuclear weapons. They designed some very nice military hardware. Their foreign legion is legend. They got pounded in Vietnam, but who didn't? They'll be a valuable addition.

Posted by: dp | 2008-03-23 4:05:38 PM


France could jinx the war. If memory serves me right France has lost ever conflict it's ever been involved in right back to Napoleon.

Posted by: John West | 2008-03-23 4:14:42 PM


You never know John, maybe they're due for a win. One thing about the French, they don't have a problem using adequate force against insurgents.

Posted by: dp | 2008-03-23 4:53:04 PM


During the first Gulf War when the French Division was on the allied left flank where was the Canadian brigade? Oh yeah...in Germany avoiding casualties. France currently has 34,000 troops stationed overseas on operations...Canadians should be the last people to complain about the French.

Posted by: Fred T. Ward | 2008-03-24 7:45:47 AM


To be fair, the Canadian Brigade in Germany was neither equipped or prepared to fight in the desert (it was barely capable of operating in Germany!)

It would have taken a rushed refit of new tanks, armored vehicles, and other equipment, in order to do so. The same, ironically, just occurred for the Afghan War with the acquisition of Leopard 2 tanks.

It would have been nice if Canada had followed the Coalition liberation of Iraq with a large unit. But it would have been even nicer if they had LED the liberation.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-03-24 1:17:59 PM


Zebulon: Who was prepared to fight in the desert? Everyone needed new gear and time to shake out. We were offered M1 tanks gratis but declined. Canada didn't go because the government was terrified by casualty estimates of as high as 100% provided by the CF using staff tables that assumed an enemy as powerful as the Soviets at their mythical best. We stayed out of the ground war due to CF incompetence and Canadian government reluctance to take casualties.

Posted by: Fred T. ward | 2008-03-24 8:51:55 PM


Okay fair enough. They had to make a decision and asked the military for their advice. Still, a well-equipped Canadian unit fighting with a US division on the "Hail Mary" flanking movement would have been neat.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-03-24 9:40:15 PM


Zebulon: Well we kind of have it now in Kandahar and for the same reason: it's neat.

Posted by: Fred T. Ward | 2008-03-25 5:58:23 AM



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