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Friday, February 01, 2008

European allies can't be trusted?!?

Germany rejects US troops surge appeal and it doesn't sound good for Canada and the English speaking countries that are doing the most of the heavy-lifting in Afghanistan:

Unfortunately, many western European countries such as Germany can not be trusted when the security and freedom of the western world is at stake. And I wondered what if Germany had requested for assistance? Canada, US and UK would have rushed to their assistance quickly but when it comes to us asking them for a helping hand they simply refuse it. These so-called "allies" can not be trusted at all.

Posted by Winston on February 1, 2008 in Current Affairs, International Affairs, Military | Permalink


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Hey Winston;

If you'd grown up here, and listened to the stories told by the guys who fought over there, you'd know the answer to that question.

Canadian soldiers were fired on by almost all of our "allies" on the continent. Most of these incidents have been conveniently forgotten, but Dutch, Belgian, French all took pot shots at allied troops, I suppose to hedge their bets.

Posted by: dp | 2008-02-01 9:33:43 PM

"Unfortunately, many western European countries such as Germany can not be trusted when the security and freedom of the western world is at stake."

The Afghan mission was the right thing to do in 2001. It is the right thing to continue the mission today. But anyone who seriously believes that "the security and freedom of the western world is at stake" is either delusional or just silly.

Posted by: Fact Check | 2008-02-01 9:34:36 PM

The Germans are disgusting weaklings and cowards (and hypocrites too). OTOH, remember what they were like before we turned them into weaklings and cowards. Don't really want to go back to those days... Just sayin'.

Posted by: JonathanW | 2008-02-01 9:46:48 PM

If it wasn't for the Marshall plan Middle Eastern Muslim countries would be complaining about German immigration.

Posted by: Bocanut | 2008-02-01 9:54:33 PM

bocanut, you said it right

Posted by: winston | 2008-02-01 10:03:44 PM

NATO=Needs Americans to Operate

Posted by: Archie | 2008-02-01 10:04:05 PM

Italy is stuck because their government just resigned, and it only survived so long because of a hard-core left-wing alliance that opposed the war from the start. Sounds sort of familiar.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-02-01 10:15:13 PM

Germans are not cowards or weaklings.

Posted by: dewp | 2008-02-02 10:26:47 AM

dewp: What then, pacifists, jihadi supporters, or do you think that they are principled objectors to George Bush's evil war machine? LOL

Posted by: Markalta | 2008-02-02 10:29:12 AM

dewp: What then, pacifists, jihadi supporters, or do you think that they are principled objectors to George Bush's evil war machine? LOL...let me guess your name is really Wolfgang?

Posted by: Markalta | 2008-02-02 10:29:46 AM


Agreed, Germans are not cowards. I don't really like them much, but I respect them. So did the Canadians who fought them.

Posted by: dp | 2008-02-02 10:41:51 AM

To Bocanut:

It is not the Marshall Plan that saved Germany but the economic liberalization by their Chancellor Ludwig Erhard.

"The West German Wirtschaftswunder was partly due to the economic aid provided by the United States and the Marshall Plan, but mainly due to the currency reform of 1948 which replaced the Reichsmark with the Deutsche Mark as legal tender, halting rampant inflation."

Posted by: Seyitbek Usmanov | 2008-02-02 4:39:30 PM

Markalta: dewp's people were on the english side for centuries. now dewp has a big tent which is ever expanding.

Posted by: dewp | 2008-02-02 6:06:36 PM

Markalta thinks that dewp is speaking in 3rd person...oh well, kumbaya. :)

Posted by: markalta | 2008-02-02 6:11:12 PM

I think Europeans are just fickle materialistic girls. Their NATO military contingent are marching bands of old women.

They effectively abandoned posterity and all of their culture except to charge entry fees at old Churches/Museums.

Socialism, Feminism, Materialism, Atheism, Homosexulity, Euthanasia, Abortion; those are current European "values" none of which represent any part of Western Civilization.

And Tony Blair converted to Catholicism, now that it too is a corrupt homosexual circus.

Posted by: Conrad-USA | 2008-02-02 6:23:15 PM

For an interesting look at the military leadership of our Europeon allies (in this case Italian) read Rory Stewarts book "The Prince of the Marshes".

Posted by: DML | 2008-02-02 11:13:06 PM


You will earn neither a commission or honorarium for book sales resulting from that slim review.

On this "raw meat" political site (at least in bygone days) you would say somethng like: "For particulars about the gutless Belgiens and cowardly Swedes as they undermined the noble Poles' efforts to thwart Moscow's unseemly intentions, read "The Prince of the Marshes" blah blah balh. ; - )

Obviously, I don't read books without lots of pictures and pulpy paper suitable for coloring, so I wish you'd provide more insight about your recommendation.

Posted by: Conrad-USA | 2008-02-03 10:23:52 AM

Eurabian countries do a lot to support their allies by inviting them to live there and breed for money.

Posted by: philanthropist | 2008-02-03 12:06:42 PM

Sorry Conrad, I guess I am a very limited farmer, planting seeds and leaving the fertilizing to others. At any rate the book tells of Stewarts time as a vice-governor in two of the districts in the Iraqi marches. His second assignment was in an area "protected" by the Italian army. When Stewart's group was attacked by various Iraqi groops (mostly backed by Iran) the Italian leadership kept their forces out of the fray and left Stewart, his bodyguard and his workers to fend for themselves. While individual Italian soldiers showed bravery, Italian leadership fell far short.
While not a great book, it is worth reading.


Posted by: DML | 2008-02-03 7:04:38 PM

Phil, Eurabia is a lost cause

Posted by: winston | 2008-02-04 4:38:48 PM

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