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Sunday, January 06, 2008


Two Canadian soldiers from Quebec were killed Sunday when their armoured vehicle rolled over in rough terrain near Kandahar in Afghanistan, and in the meantime we're also hearing about the rejection of a major plan to send fighter Jets and attack helicopters to Afghanistan by General Hillier.

Let's not forget our brave troops who are fighting for our freedom so we can have debates and posts here on Shotgun. They deserve our support!

Posted by Winston on January 6, 2008 in Military | Permalink


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What "attack helicopters"? Canada has only one type of military helicopter - the Griffon - and it is awful. Hillier knew that they wouldn't work in the hot and high environment of Afghanistan.

Maybe Mr. Harper can do something about it - by acquiring some Apaches along with the proposed Chinooks! The British and Dutch have them there, along with the Americans. I even heard the French want to send their new Tigers there.

No need to worry - the NATO coalition is doing a great job over there.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-01-06 11:00:02 PM

CH-146 (Bell-412) can be re-configured with weapons so it will be an attack chopper. But I agree that Griffons don't work well there. The only helicopter that can operate in that part of the world to the fullest is CH-47 Chinook which Canada re-sold to the Netherlands under the government of PM Chretien.

Posted by: winston | 2008-01-06 11:10:21 PM

I believe Mulroney was PM when Canada (based on advice from DND) sold the Chinooks to the Netherlands. This was part of the (very sensible)cuts to defence Mulroney brought it when the Soviets cashed their chips in.

Canada wasn't using CH-47s overseas and army doctrine discounted airmobile operations against anyone with even minimal air defence weapons so the Chinooks were expendable. There were better ways to save cash but medium helicopters to support the army had a very small constituency in defence circles. I doubt the PM put a seconds thought into it once he was given the recommendation.

Kandahar is the a bit lower than Hinton, Alberta and for at least half the year fairly cool. Griffons could be used there for part of the year for admin tasks, casulty evacuation, recce and patrol insertion etc. Given the amount of air support the US military takes for granted I doubt they (or CH-47s)are needed.

Posted by: Fred T. Ward | 2008-01-07 3:34:24 AM

It's regrettable and a sorry situation to have soldiers in the field battling evil people using terrorist tactics without all the equipment they need to save their lives.

There has to be some soul searching going on among politicians of the recent past who made decisions for political reasons, purely political reasons.

Yes, our Forces are doing a tremendous job, tremendous service. All but some Jackasses in our media attest to that fact.
For instance, yesterday on CTV Question Period, they didn't sound very uplifting in their take on what's going on in Afghanistan.

Who are the people to believe?

We have to hear a lot more from our Government on this and less from agenda driven hacks.

Posted by: Liz J | 2008-01-07 5:04:04 AM

The two Canadian soldiers killed today was the result of a vehicle rollover accident.

Posted by: Liz J | 2008-01-07 7:12:51 AM

Liz J ~

. . . and yet the number of deaths will be augmented to spur Leftoids to again call for a retreat.

Car accidents claim many lives as well, but that does not make us hesitate each morning as we enlarge our "carbon footprints". :)

Posted by: obc | 2008-01-07 8:51:48 AM

I live near a military base, and it's an unfortunate fact that soldiers are killed in accidents. It's a fairly dangerous profession.

It's worth remembering that during the same period we lost 70 or so soldiers in Afghanistan, we lost far more in oilfield related accidents. There are many other industries with more casualties; farming, commercial fishing, forestry, construction. Soldiers and police get all the headlines for obvious reasons.

Posted by: dp | 2008-01-07 9:11:54 AM

Skiers have been killed in avalanches recently. And then there's this:

"8 Killed, 20 Injured in Utah Bus Crash"

MEXICAN HAT, Utah — A chartered bus ran off a wet road and rolled 41 feet down an embankment in far southeastern Utah, killing eight passengers who were returning home from a ski trip, authorities said Monday. About 20 others were injured.

The Arrow Stage Lines bus was southbound on State Route 163 when it failed to negotiate a curve, went off the road and rolled over several times at 7:30 p.m. Sunday, said Trooper Cameron Roden of the Utah Highway Patrol.

WE MUST CLOSE the skiing industry to save lives! Besides, how much does it cost the environment to have all these people driving up there just to slide down the hills? (sarcasm)

Posted by: obc | 2008-01-07 9:27:27 AM

I am wondering if the "Lieberals" had something to do with this. Rest be assured when and if Steffi Diyawn comes to office all troops will be withdrawn from Afghanistan, despite NATO protests, all military eqipment will be sold off to third world drug lords, and our military will be once again relegated to clearingsnowdrifts in winter, hauling out garbage or some other menial labor.

Posted by: tdw026 | 2008-01-07 10:53:03 AM

I am wondering if the "Lieberals" had something to do with this. Rest be assured when and if Steffi Diyawn comes to office all troops will be withdrawn from Afghanistan, despite NATO protests, all military eqipment will be sold off to third world drug lords, and our military will be once again relegated to clearingsnowdrifts in winter, hauling out garbage or some other menial labor.

Posted by: tdw026 | 2008-01-07 10:53:18 AM

Asking a soldier to shovel snow is like asking Floyd Mayweather to teach a boxercise class.

Posted by: dp | 2008-01-07 10:58:18 AM

iI find it amusing and quite hypocritical that when soldiers from Edmonton garrison, Petawawa, Gagetown were sent to Afghanistan, there wasn't much outcry from La Belle province, when troops from those detachments were getting killed, quite the opposite now with the Van Doos being killed, the opposition has jumped 3 fold almost, what BS.

Posted by: tdw026 | 2008-01-07 11:05:53 AM

If Steffi or any other Liberal gets power, anytime within the next decade, this Country will be sadly diminished as a Nation of principles and honor in the minds of our Allies in the NATO alliance and indeed the world.

Our proud Military history will be hit a blow by a pack of Leftist fools who are not worth the powder to blow them to hell. We'll stand for nothing, not even our own safety and security as a Nation.

Freaking Pantywaists, Dion and Taliban Jack, forget Duceppes, he's a one trick pony and cares nothing about Canada.

Posted by: Liz J | 2008-01-07 12:06:41 PM


Since the first day of the Canadian participation in Afghanistan October the 7th 2001, La Belle Province always had more anti-war protest rallies than any other provinces. The place had always hit the highest numbers in National polls to end this mission. Get your facts strait you neo-con sack of shit. You got some nerves posting your crap onna tread that was made in respect of those two dead soldiers. You don't deserve their sacrifices.

This said, I wish you a very unhappy New Year.

Posted by: Marc | 2008-01-07 12:16:26 PM

The last poster's comments notwithstanding, let me be the first to say that the Van Doos represent all that is great about Quebec and Quebec people.

God Bless you all, stay safe and Kick Ass!


Posted by: Epsilon | 2008-01-07 12:27:40 PM

Just who will Quebec fight for?

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2008-01-07 1:17:28 PM

The Van Doos belong to Canada and always have.
They happen to be based in Quebec, one of our provinces. They're fighting for Canada.
Their history as a unit of our military is a proud one and legendary.

Sure they'll "kick ass" all our Military do just that and often against all odds.

Posted by: Liz J | 2008-01-07 2:12:43 PM

Here is a link to a DND site designed to allow Canadians to can send positive messages to our soldiers in Afghanistan:


Quite a few of these messages are in French and they come from the province of Québec.

Posted by: andré | 2008-01-08 9:10:41 AM

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