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Tuesday, January 08, 2008

Ed Stelmach vs. edstelmach.ca

Ed Stelmach, the Alberta Tories'  Harry Strom, is angry that a local Liberal, David Cournoyer beat him to the punch to register the domain name www.edstelmach.ca.

Here's a copy of Stelmach's legal demand letter.

The first thing that comes to my mind is that Cournoyer didn't register the domain until April of 2007. Stelmach has been in politics for decades, and premier since 2006 (though he hasn't yet been affirmed in that position by anything as messy as an election). But don't be too hard on the old man. These Inter-Nets can be confusing!

The second thing is Stelmach's first response: go litigious. Let's see how that works out in the blogosphere. Until Stelmach's demand letter, very few people would have known about any of this -- Stelmach has the .com, .net and .org sites for his name, as well as all of the provincial Tory and government websites. His approach -- lawyers -- has brought a flurry of media coverage painting Cournoyer as a David to Stelmach's lazy, low-tech and bullying Goliath.

The third thing is that Stelmach is going to lose. The Canadian Internet Registration Authority -- the administratrive body that oversees .ca sites -- is very tough on commercial cybersquatters who have no legitimate reason to register a URL, and who clearly want to sell it for a quick buck.

But that's not Cournoyer. He clearly falls under CIRA's policy 3.6(d) which allows cybersquatting if:

"the Registrant used the domain name in Canada in good faith in association with a non-commercial activity including, without limitation, criticism, review or news reporting."

Cournoyer isn't trying to make a buck by selling the URL back to Stelmach. He's not trying to pass himself off as Stelmach. He's commenting on Stelmach in a blog.

Stelmach has looked foolish twice already -- first by not registering his own domain name, then by threatening a little blogger with a lawsuit. His third humiliation will be the most spectacular: losing his case, having to pay Cournoyer's legal costs, and having yet another round of media coverage.

Oh well. Better Stelmach keep busy with this, than with his other work -- raising taxes, paying off big unions, and building monorails.

cross-posted to www.ezralevant.com

Posted by Ezra Levant on January 8, 2008 | Permalink


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I'm getting a little tired of the flame the farmer thread.

Trying to tie the intelligence that Stelmach has shown to the fact he comes from a farm background is getting a little old. Not to mention disturbing.

You want to throw mud? You think it takes a increased intellect to live in a city packed together like sheep, paying your master to provide you a multitude of the most menial tasks, from picking up your garbage to processing the crap you flush down the toilet to name a couple?

Many, and I mean many, farmers and ranchers are as well educated and intelligent as you elitists asses.

As well as their education most are well versed in the daily tasks which you jokers take for granted, keeping a water well running, their sewer working, disposing of their own garbage, vehicle and equipment maintenance and repair, I could go on and on but I won't bother.

Eddies problem is not because he has a farm background, it is because he is a Liberal plain and simple, and is acting like one.

Actually he is acting more like a dipper than anything. It is ideology, not intelligence that will lead to his downfall.

Epsi, listening to you from the comfort of your city rattling on about farmers and subsidies is like listening to the current crop of democratic candidates discussing geopolitics.

When you are shown to be an idiot about a subject, better to remain silent than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

In short, grow up, and quit singling out an entire group of people, and painting them with a broad brush simply because Stelmach has that background.

Posted by: deepblue | 2008-01-09 1:17:51 PM


You can often be unethical and legal. But you can seldom be illegal and ethical. Ethics and the law are two different things.

Ethics are also open to wider interpretation than the law and are more subject to personal and cultural interpretations. This is dangerous because it leads to quasi legal monstrosities like human rights commissions that end up taking away our freedoms.


Posted by: epsilon | 2008-01-09 1:24:00 PM


Where is anybody slagging farmers?

Tell me the time stamps of the comments so I can read where they are doing this because I thought I read the entire thread and I don't see it.

This "you think farmers are stupid" meme is completely and solely of set-you-free's own making and I don't see Epsilon or anybody else doing it.

If set-you-free's only defence of Ed Stelmach's bad policy as Premier is to pretend that everybody is against Mr. Stelmach because Mr. Stelmach is a farmer, when nobody cares whether Mr. Stelmach is a farmer or not, then you, deepblue, should at least not buy into set-you-free's psychosis.
(assuming you aren't actually set-you-free and you're going to re-read the thread)

Posted by: Speller | 2008-01-09 1:36:05 PM

Thank you Speller!!

Deepblue, I will take agri-socialists like you on any time, any place, anywhere.

Name the forum buddy.


Posted by: epsilon | 2008-01-09 1:44:36 PM


Could you articulate some of the bad policies Stelmach has come up with?

Royalty regime? Alaska's take is 43%. Alberta's recommended rate averages out at 26%. Seems competitive to me.

He's not under the direction of the oil companies like Ralph Klein was? Gee, it's too bad then that Ted Morton lost. We could have had more of the same and yet another premier from southern Alberta. BTW Morton was my first choice.

He's the Tories' Harry Strom? What exactly, then, does that opening statement in this thread mean? Could somebody explain what connection there is from history to a conjecture about the future ... other than wishful thinking?

Is is about lack of charisma? The Fuhrer had plenty of charisma, so it can't be about that.

Clarification about why it's important to connect Harry Strom and Ed Stelmach, please.

Posted by: set you free | 2008-01-09 1:49:27 PM

Hello - is this the Web site for Ed's Telephone Machines? (EdsTelMach.ca?) I bought a phone from you guys and now it's busted. I was told this is where to fix it. Give me a refund or I'll sue!!

Posted by: cupcake man | 2008-01-09 1:52:03 PM

The connection between Harry Strom and Ed Stelmach is Mr. Cornoyer's.

Mr. Cornoyer is making a political statement by metaphor, saying Mr. Stelmach is going to be the last Premier of the Progressive Conservative dynasty, as Harry Strom was for the Social Credit dynasty, and hoping it will be a self fulfilling prophesy.

I hope so too.

Alaska's Royalty regime is irrelevant.
What is relevant is that Mr. Stelmach unilaterally ripped up existing agreements.
That creates a bad climate for investment and sounds a knell of socialism.

Whether they were good agreements or not, whether other jurisdictions have better or worse is beside the point.

When Canada had the better of the U.S. on the AutoPact agreement the U.S. stood by the agreement even though it wasn't to their advantage.

I shouldn't even have to explain this to someone who claims to have Conservative principles.

I won't go into the taxes because I did it last week with you and I don't see you getting any wiser, set-you-free.

It doesn't even matter so much whether it is Jim Dinning or Ed Stelmach in the driver's seat, it matters that Ted Morton isn't and that the Conservatives are muzzled and the Progressives are setting the agenda again.

Mr. Stelmach doesn't give a fig for the Alberta Agenda and the protection of a firewall.
He is a Progressive.

Posted by: Speller | 2008-01-09 2:16:11 PM


So, if I read your post correctly, you cannot accept the fact Ted Morton lost the leadership.

OK, I accept that, but even though Morton was also my first choice, the voters decided on a different direction.

It's not like Stelmach's direction should be a big surprise to anybody.

Was he not a reeve of his country who understood that there were many needs for the Alberta citizenry? Not handouts, need. Needs that had been ignored by the previous regime?

As for Stelmach being the Tories Harry Strom ... let's see what Albertans decide before pre-determining the outcomes.

Posted by: set you free | 2008-01-09 2:36:28 PM

Set, the cost to produce oil from oilsands represents some of the highest cost oil on the planet. Alaskan oil is much cheaper to produce. The reason Alaskan royalties are higher is because profit margins are higher in Alaska.

If you are going to put several billion dollars in harms way for an oil sands extraction and upgrading plant, you need the security of a decent margin over the LONG TERM to pay off such a huge investment. When you have goofs like Stomach suddenly ripping up contracts and changing the rules or threats from zitheads like Dion threatening God knows what, this investment leaves for lower risk environments like Saskatchewan or BC or , yes, Alaska.

Secondly, what a supremely stupid idea to tax natural gas even higher when prices are at near term inflation adjusted low points. Companies were already pulling up and moving on when Stomach, like an idiot, kicks these people while they are down.

Stomach does an injustice to all Albertans not just farmers, Ukrainians or stutterers.


Posted by: epsilon | 2008-01-09 2:38:36 PM


I can accept the fact that Ted Morton lost.

Can you, set, accept the fact that Ted Morton was the Alberta Progressive Conservative Party's last hope for continuing their dynasty a while longer?

Mr. Stelmach's direction isn't a big surprise to many people.
That is why so few people wanted Mr. Stelmach to be Premier(remember the first round vote) and why Anne McClellan got the Liberal vote out in her Edmonton area of influence to ensure Mr. Stelmach's election if Mr. Dinning failed.

Posted by: Speller | 2008-01-09 2:46:08 PM


There's one fact that is obvious.

Ted Morton may or may not have been the last hope.

Bitter Ted Morton supporters undercutting the democratic will of Albertans who voted in Stelmach during the leadership race will only serve to divide and damage the party.

And, how important would Ted Morton be then?

The Wildrose Party has as much chance of winning the next Alberta election as does al-Qaida.

Oops. Didn't mean to stoop to the same intellectual level as Ed Stelmach is Harry Strom.

Posted by: set you free | 2008-01-09 3:02:48 PM

Well I voted Morton round 1 and Stomach round 2 because I thought Stomach was more conservative than the wishy washy Dinning. Was I wrong!

There are a lot of ex-Stomach supporters like me that are voting Wild Rose now and the results be damned because there is no difference between a Stomach conservative, a Liberal or a Dipper right now.

But it is only by voting Wild Rose that one can truly and explicity register their discontent because everyone knows that a Wild Rose vote was once a PC vote. Such is not the case by voting Lieberal or Dipper.


Posted by: epsilon | 2008-01-09 3:14:29 PM


I'm not bitter.
Voting Morton was an act of hope.

I gave up on the Alberta Progressive Conservative Party years ago as too progressive and not Conservative at all because of Mr. Klein, one of whose caucus supporters was Mr. Stelmach.
(I'd never even heard of Mr. Stelmach before last year)

I paid $5 to give the PCs one last chance at being Conservative in 2006 before writing them off entirely.

Unfortunately, too many Conservatives stayed home.
Maybe they didn't have the hope that I had.

We'll see in the next General Election.

My hope for Conservatism is now with Wild Rose.

Posted by: Speller | 2008-01-09 3:22:34 PM


Was Ed Stelmach not one of the Deep Six (?) group who thought Ralph was becoming way too liberal?

Since it just popped into my head, I'll be back after doing some research.

Posted by: set you free | 2008-01-09 3:25:40 PM

As a rancher/farmers kid I can appreciate your post deepblue - well said!! There are Dipper farmers/ranchers and Eddie is one of them. There are Conservative urban dwellers and you are one of them (I presume).

The Wildrose Party will give the 'duped by the PCs' citizens of Alberta candidates to vote FOR - I think that a number of Conservatives trapped in the PC government of Eddie will jump ship before the next election and run as a Wildrose Party Candidates. I think and hope that the MAJORITY of Conservatives will support the Wildrose Party in the upcoming election.

It did not take YEARS for the Reform Party to replace the PCs in Alberta - one election- maybe Ted Morton will be the first to announce his plans to 'move'. I hope he does because he would be a very good choice for the next Premier.

Posted by: jema54j | 2008-01-09 5:27:57 PM

What I'm having trouble with.

Ed Stelmach was one of the original Deep Six.

That was the group of rookie MP's who knew Ralphie had jumped from the LIberal Party and agreed to be a watchdog on making sure Ralphie would not spend Alberta into prosperity.

Therefore, Stelmach was part of a fiscally conservative group.

So, how does it come about that he's sudenly a Dipper?

I seriously doubt he had a conversion on the road back to his farm from Edmonton.

I suspect the truth is somewhere closer to his Deep Six instincts than the Dipper charges he's facing.

There is one true test and I haven't found the answer yet.

Does anybody out there know Honest Ed's take on the Canadian Wheat Board?

This exercjse in character assassination is much worse than anybody in the MSM could dream up.

I'm sure everybody here can rise above the personal level and get out of the mud.

As premier, Stelmach is fair game for criticism on his policies. That's democracy.

But personal stuff belongs in a schoolyard.

Posted by: set you free | 2008-01-09 6:39:00 PM

Well, well, well.

In today's Edmonton Sun, Neil Waugh unearths who Dave Cornoyer is and what he actually does.

A frat-boy prank by the 24-year-old U of A student?

Naw, iuntil Dec. 31 Cornoyer was empolyed as a communications co-ordinator for the Alberta Liberal Party.

I guess political mischief is fine with you character assassins.

Posted by: set you free | 2008-01-10 10:13:35 AM

Mr. Cornoyer's metaphor is probably correct as far as an inference that Ed Stelmach will be that last PC Premier.
It is clever political free speech.

So Mr. Cornoyer is a Liberal?

Did you think Mr. Cornoyer was a Progressive Conservative, set-you-free?

I don't care what Red Ed's position on the 'Federal' question of the Alberta Wheat Board.

I KNOW what Mr. Stelmach's position on the Alberta Agenda and the firewall is.

So Mr. Stelmach believes in a balanced budget?

There is no such thing as being fiscally conservative.
The entire concept is a smokescreen.

Since when did balancing the budget make Paul Martin anything but a Liberal?

Posted by: Speller | 2008-01-10 10:45:01 AM


So character assassination is fine with you?

Your mind's made up and you don't want to be confused with the facts?

A Liberal dirty trick is OK as long as it's against the guy who Alberta party members voted in to lead the party?

If that's the mindset of Wildrose Party supporters, whiny character assassination, it won't get far.

See, unless a party stands FOR something, not against SOMEONE, it won't fly.

I'll watch the organizing meeting closely to see what exactly Wildrose would do for ALL the citizens off Alberta. It'll become quickly apparent what it stands for. Just follow the money.

Posted by: set you free | 2008-01-10 11:08:48 AM

>"So character assassination is fine with you?
Your mind's made up and you don't want to be confused with the facts?"
set you free | 10-Jan-08 11:08:48 AM

What character assassination?
What facts?

Posted by: Speller | 2008-01-10 11:14:46 AM

The entire premise of this thread is to discredit the character of Stelmach and even when it was proven that this was a dirty trick by a person in the employ of the Alberta LIberal Party, that means nothing?

This story is not about heavy-handedness of the big meanie Stelmach against an innocent 24-year-old frat boy who was smart enough to register a domain name.

And, the ‘I can't explain why I hate him, but I hate him' tone continued throughout the thread. Character assassination, pure and simple.

Posted by: set you free | 2008-01-10 11:31:53 AM

What dirty trick?

Yes, it really is meaningless that Mr. Cornoyer is an Alberta Liberal and yes Ed Stelmach and his lawyers are not only being heavy handed, they are going to get thumped in court.

It is free speech.

The various people who oppose Mr. Stelmach have amply supplied reasons for opposing him.
Myself included.

Mr. Stelmach is not a Conservative.
He is a Progressive.

Conservative voters want Conservative choices.
They are choosing the Wildrose Party.

Progressives, like you, set-you-free, are sticking with 'Steady' Eddie.

Alberta Conservatives don't want the province purposely left open to raiding by Ottawa and Ed Stelmach clearly does.

Like Harry Strom, Ed Stelmach will be the last Premier of a dynastic rule.

Posted by: Speller | 2008-01-10 11:44:11 AM

Despite being mercilessly pilloried by the media and the blogging public over the last few days, Rapid Eddie still incists on suing giant killer Dave Cournouyer. My goldfish has more common sense than Cement-head Ed does.

Well I hope he does so that we can extend the absurdity of this moronic premier into the pre-election period.

I also hope Dave runs against Stomach in his Vegreville riding. I do not care what party he runs for. The point is to rub this pathetic bully's face in the mud for as long as possible.

What is that rumbling I hear among the Patricians? Could the Ides of March be nigh?


Posted by: epsilon | 2008-01-11 10:48:23 AM


So, you're saying you support Cornoyer, a person who has been outed as communications co-ordinator for the Alberta Liberal Party until Dec. 31?

And, now you're saying the MSM is good because they pilloried somebody you despise?

Wow! This is an interesting development.

As usual, Ezra is way behind the facts and does not even mention Cornoyer's political connection in his National Post story today.

Never let the facts stand in the way of a good character assassination, I suppose.

Posted by: set you free | 2008-01-11 11:01:50 AM

The fact that Dave Cournoyer is a Liberal is hardly surprising. Don't you think? Or would you rather that he was a PC?

And yes, the fact that the MSM is pilloring Ed Stelmach is definately a good thing.

Remember Set that every time anyone, even a Liberal, scores a point against Stomach, that also convinces real Conservatives to vote for Wild Rose. So when are you going to give up and join us?


Posted by: epsilon | 2008-01-11 12:17:13 PM


When I see the platform and what they stand for.

Parties get noticed because they recognize problems.

Parties get elected when they offer solutions.

So far, I see no attempt to forment solutions, only the despicable tactic of character assassination.

The pertinent fact about Cornoyer is not that he's a Liberal. It's the fact he was employed by the Liberal Party of Alberta as a communications co-ordinator.

I guess this is sort of ‘an enemy of my enemy is my friend' thinking, but until I see where the big money financing for the Wild Rose Party comes from, I'm going to reserve judgement.

Since none of the facts that were readily available on Thursday were ignored by Ezra, I can only assume the National Post allowed a propoganda piece of character assassination which does not meet even the low standards of journalism.

Mind you, John Ivison was a bit behind the facts in his critique on the Chalk River issue.

Posted by: set you free | 2008-01-11 12:43:31 PM


Since ALL the facts about Cornoyer's official status within the Alberta Liberal Party were readily available on Thursday were ignored by Erzra ...

Posted by: set you free | 2008-01-11 12:46:36 PM

Who cares if Dave Cournoyer was a flippin' commie with three heads.

The point here is that Cement-head Ed consistently demonstrates a solid penchant for gross mismanagement, a lack of common sense and zero political savvy.

Defending Stomach's fumble by pointing out that the owner of the website is a Liberal in no way excuses Stomach for his incompetency.

So Set, when you joining us? Don't feel bad, I voted for Stomach too!


Posted by: epsilon | 2008-01-11 1:27:17 PM

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