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Tuesday, December 18, 2007

Ron Paul: Christians are Fascists

(h/t Craig @ Blogging Tories)

Can this presidential candidate get any more weird?

Posted by Winston on December 18, 2007 in Current Affairs | Permalink

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Before today - a likely wacko.

Today - a proven one.

Posted by: obc | 2007-12-18 7:28:24 PM


"Ron Paul: Christians are Facists"

Wow, and he said exactly that. lol.

Err, nice drive-by. Is this still a conservative blog?

Posted by: MK | 2007-12-18 7:31:50 PM


MK "Is this still a conservative blog?"

This blog is libertarian/conservative. That's not some kind of hybrid ideology. It's how we defined the newsroom when the Western Standard started because it was a mix of people with different views. (FYI It was relatively peaceful because we had an unwritten rule that all knife fights were to be taken outside to the parking lot off the alley.)

Posted by: Kevin Steel | 2007-12-18 7:45:57 PM


He did not call Christians Fascists...he's demonstrating something from history.
"WHEN" Fascism comes to this country...it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross"

In other words...It will have the false brand of Patriotism and Christianity, and that's how it will be sold to an unsuspecting and trusting public.

You might want to do a little more studying in History before calling people names.

Posted by: JC | 2007-12-18 8:44:56 PM


This is actually a quote.

Sinclair Lewis wrote those words in 1935 in It Can't Happen Here. Prescient words from Sinclair Lewis.

Posted by: kievite | 2007-12-18 8:54:37 PM


When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.
~Sinclair Lewis~

“Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
~Hermann Goering~

Seems like George Bush knows HIS History...
He's pulling things right out of the Nazi playbook.


Posted by: JC | 2007-12-18 9:02:07 PM


Just wondered why this nutcase is being featured on KKK's web sites

http://www.davidduke.com/general/ron-paul-breaks-all-previous-one-day-fund-raising-records_3252.html#more-3252

Posted by: winston | 2007-12-18 9:25:23 PM


"Just wondered why this nutcase is being featured on KKK's web sites"

Same reason he is being featured on Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Dec17/0,4670,RonPaulInterview,00.html

Now, Winston. Care to retract your statement that Paul said Christians are fascists? I would call it a lie, but that would imply that you knew it was false. I don't think you knew it was false. I just think you were not smart enough to understand what JC explained in his first reply above without it being explained to you.

Posted by: Fact Check | 2007-12-18 9:34:13 PM


More name calling from the brain washed "blogging neo-con", no surprise there...

Every political movement has its nut jobs.
I doubt you'll find Ron Paul endorsing them.
But then the main stream will use anything it can to slander and defame someone who is upsetting the existing fascist apple cart. I think the majority of RP supporters are just people who are tired of fascism.

Posted by: JC | 2007-12-18 9:40:14 PM


Fascism is, put briefly, a system of social organization in which the political state is a dictatorship supported by a political elite and in which the economic society is an autarchic capitalism, enclosed and planned, in which the government assumes responsibility for creating adequate purchasing power through the instrumentality of national debt and in which militarism is adopted as a great economic project for creating work as well as a great romantic project in the service of the imperialist state.

Posted by: JC | 2007-12-18 10:25:28 PM


Fact Check, so you're implying that KKK's David Duke web site is not so different from a major American news outlet like Fox News.. Or may be you're implying that Fox News is fascist. I have heard this from papa Paul nutcase supporters a lot. No, dude, I am not going to retract any thing. KKK and Ron Paul are alike. They both hate the State of Israel and they both advocate cutting off the military/financial aid to Israel. I stand by what I believe: Ron Paul is mentally, fiscally and philosophically deranged.

Posted by: winston | 2007-12-18 10:27:04 PM


Winston,

In re: your headline, did you actually watch the video in question? Paul (a practicing Lutheran) complained that Huckabee was trying to make himself out to be "the only Christian" in the race.

In re: the ridiculous KKK stuff, you do know that when Israel bombed the Iraq nuclear facility in the '80s, Paul was one of the few US politicians who stuck up for Israel and refused to vote for the resolution that condemned the attack, right?

Best, Jeremy Lott

Posted by: Jeremy Lott | 2007-12-18 11:35:00 PM


I'm starting to think the only real Nazi in the neighborhood is named after a great Englishman, he makes no sense whatsoever and is merely spewing propagand and hatred...just like the KKK. The kind of thing sensible people ignore anyway.
Merry Christmas to all....even the fascists.

Posted by: JC | 2007-12-19 6:49:31 AM


You really don't want to stoop to this kind of tabloid journalism do you?

Posted by: Pattern Recognition | 2007-12-19 8:15:13 AM


Good grief winston, are you angry in your dreams too?

Posted by: Pattern Recognition | 2007-12-19 8:33:50 AM


Winston,

You do know that Ron Paul wants to cut off foreign aid to the Muslim world (Israels enemies) as well, don't you? We give more money to the surrounding Muslim nations collectively than we do to Israel so removing all foreign aid would actually collectively be a net increase in financial power for Israel over it's enemies.

Ron Paul doesn't hate Israel, he just doesn't support them, he wants to remain neutral and trade with all countries instead of fight with them. He has publicly decried the racists that have tried to use his name for their own benefit and stated that he doesn't want nor need their support. What more do you want, him to go beat them up for having his name on their website? Get real.

Posted by: David | 2007-12-19 8:39:48 AM


Winston,

You do know that he wants to cut off foreign aid to the Muslim world (Israels enemies) as well, don't you? We give more money to the surrounding Muslim nations collectively than we do to Israel so removing all foreign aid would actually collectively be a net increase in financial power for Israel over it's enemies.

He doesn't hate Israel, he just doesn't support them, he wants to remain neutral and trade with all countries instead of fight with them. He has publicly decried the racists that have tried to use his name for their own benefit and stated that he doesn't want nor need their support. What more do you want, him to go beat them up for having his name on their website? Get real.

Posted by: Dave | 2007-12-19 8:41:14 AM


The core message in this situation is to warn against those of impure intent. He doesn't call Huckabee a fascist but he rebukes him for using overtly religious imagery. It is similar to how he rebuked a questioner when posed with a question about evolution by pointing out that it was an inappropriate question. The President is not the arbiter of our culture. The President has not that power, nor should we attempt to give it to him or her. The office of president is not a religious office, nor is it an irreligious office. It is below such a culture war issue, lacking any authority to decide, and candidates for President should treat it as such.

Posted by: N. Pannbacker | 2007-12-19 9:56:42 AM


Winston -

The Ron Paul anti-War on Terrorism votes will come mainly from the Democrat Party camp, i.e. the Roman Catholics who generally vote Democrat, against their own fundamental beliefs about Abortion, in order to maintain their (stupid) desire for government intrusion into "social problems" (which funnels lots of money into the type of government jobs which they like to fill, and then pretend that they are performing "charity" by working at the Welfare Department).

Ron Paul raises lots of money right now. Let's see if it translates into actual votes (i.e. in the Republican primary elections).

Have faith, the voters are not as dumb as corrupt politicians would like.

Posted by: Conrad-USA | 2007-12-19 11:02:08 AM


Conrad,

I'm not American nor Anglophone but it's clear to me that you did get the message of Ron Paul upside down. In fact, the Man is litturally against everything you've bring as issues.

Maybe you should makes more reading or, maybe I should practice my English. Howerver, he's everything the people on this blog are expecting from a government since I've first enter this blog a year ago. If it wasen't for his honest vues on Foreign relation vs the illuminated NEO-Cons, he should pass like butter in the pan from a conservative point of vue.

Again, according to some here (Neo-cons, what else), I'm too stupid to understand things right so dont give too much attention to this last post of mine.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-12-19 11:22:06 AM


I watched Paul on Glenn Beck last night. I must admit, I have been too hard on him. He is not quite the nutbar I had seen him to be previously. He distanced himself from the 9/11 truthers, but his foreign policy ideas are still ridiculous. Regardless, he will just be a blip by next November anyway.

Posted by: Markalta | 2007-12-19 11:25:05 AM


Marc -

I can see how my position seems confused re. Ron Paul.

I intended to suggest that I think many Roman Catholics in America will be attracted to a candidate who is AGAINST the War on Terrorism, and who is also Pro-Life (anti-abortion). That is Ron Paul.

I think those Catholics presently vote for the Democrat Party in spite of the Abortion issue, and would probably like to correct that part of their conflicted allegiances.

Posted by: Conrad-USA | 2007-12-19 11:56:38 AM


Ron Paul has helped raise the awareness of libertarian ideas during this campaign to levels several times greater than the various think tanks, Reason Magazine and the Libertarian Party (attempts in Canada and the US) have managed in 35 years. There are probably now more than a couple of thousand Canadians who have actually heard of libertarianism.

And that's a good thing!

As to the thread, Winston, this headline would qualify you for CBC tenure.

He doesn't stand a chance of winning but I say, Go Ron!

Posted by: John Chittick | 2007-12-19 12:03:00 PM


So what you say is that Ron Paul is bringing Americans conservateurs, Liberal and Libertarian together...

I agree with you.
How much of them is having this effect outside Dr Ron Paul ? None.
Not so bad for a "Racist" "isolationist".

Posted by: Marc | 2007-12-19 12:05:28 PM


Well, so this kook said something about bad Christians? That doesn't make it true. So, who cares what he has to say? Opinions are a dime a dozen. He has his. It will be forgotten in a few days. Paul is not an authority on this subject!

Posted by: Greg Randall | 2007-12-19 6:21:06 PM


Well, so this kook said something about bad Christians? That doesn't make it true. So, who cares what he has to say? Opinions are a dime a dozen. He has his. It will be forgotten in a few days. Paul is not an authority on this subject!

Posted by: Greg Randall | 2007-12-19 6:22:00 PM


"So, who cares what he has to say?"

That's funny! He's running for President!

Of course what he says gets analyzed and parsed.

Posted by: obc | 2007-12-19 6:24:55 PM


""So, who cares what he has to say?"
That's funny! He's running for President!
Of course what he says gets analyzed and parsed"

Really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa3J-L29iT8&feature=related

Posted by: Marc | 2007-12-19 6:35:58 PM


I guess intellectualism is dead. Is JC the only one on this blog with a brain. When we stop listening to how we "should think" and, simply, start "thinking" we will then again be able to achieve a higher level of thinking. We need to read more, in order to understand more. Not just read the writings of those who we think, think like us but to read all kinds of information. That is the only way to true knowledge. Stop expecting people to be your political “stepford wife” and look for mental stimuli in order to learn more.

Posted by: Wake UP America | 2007-12-20 2:49:02 AM


similar quote:

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land it will be in the guise of a froeign enemy"
~James Madison~

Posted by: JC | 2007-12-20 7:46:16 PM


ebt~ Further to that thought:


Fascism is, put briefly, a system of social organization in which the political state is a dictatorship supported by a political elite and in which the economic society is an autarchic capitalism, enclosed and planned, in which the government assumes responsibility for creating adequate purchasing power through the instrumentality of national debt and in which militarism is adopted as a great economic project for creating work as well as a great romantic project in the service of the imperialist state.

Broken down, it includes these devices:

1. A government whose powers are unrestrained.

2. A leader who is a dictator, absolute in power but responsible to the party which is a preferred elite.

3. An economic system in which production and distribution are carried on by private owners but in accordance with plans made by the state directly or under its immediate supervision.

4. These plans involve control of all the instruments of production and distribution through great government bureaus which have the power to make regulations or directives with the force of law.

5. They involve also the comprehensive integration of government and private finances, under which investment is directed and regimented by the government, so that while ownership is private and production is carried on by private owners there is a type of socialization of investment, of the financial aspects of production. By this means the state, which by law and by regulation can exercise a powerful control over industry, can enormously expand and complete that control by assuming the role of banker and partner.

6. They involve also the device of creating streams of purchasing power by federal government borrowing and spending as a permanent institution.

7. As a necessary consequence of all this, militarism becomes an inevitable part of the system since it provides the easiest means of draining great numbers annually from the labor market and of creating a tremendous industry for the production of arms for defense, which industry is supported wholly by government borrowing and spending.

8. Imperialism becomes an essential element of such a system where that is possible — particularly in the strong states, since the whole fascist system, despite its promises of abundance, necessitates great financial and personal sacrifices, which people cannot be induced to make in the interest of the ordinary objectives of civil life and which they will submit to only when they are presented with some national crusade or adventure on the heroic model touching deeply the springs of chauvinistic pride, interest, and feeling.

Where these elements are found, there is fascism, by whatever name the system is called.

Mises Institute, Alabama


Posted by: JC | 2007-12-20 7:49:50 PM


Check these photos:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353_Ron_Pauls_Photo-Op_with_Stormfront&only

Posted by: winston | 2007-12-20 8:11:12 PM



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