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Thursday, December 27, 2007

Real Pakistan

I really have nothing much to say about the Pakistani PM Bhutto assassination earlier today but there is that constant thought with me that Pakistan has always been a quasi-nation state where Islam as a religion triumphs any thing else and the Pakistani people have no national identity and they mostly identify themselves with the radical form of Islam. This great piece at NRO caught my attention today and reaffirmed what I've always thought of that country:

The article is a must read.

Posted by Winston on December 27, 2007 in Current Affairs | Permalink


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And so Winston, a popular vote can lead to majority tyranny, not at all a good thing.

Posted by: DML | 2007-12-27 11:16:31 PM

Why is anyone surprised? Look at what the Islamofascists are doing to Thailand:

"More schools and teachers being targeted"

There were more attacks on schools and teachers in the restive South in the past year than in the previous three years, with almost 150 schools burned down and more than 20 teachers killed, according to an official report released yesterday. From Jan 1 to Dec 27, a total of 148 schools were set ablaze.

ALTHOUGH THE WRITER won't say it, this article is about Muslim fanatics killing infidels. They've got Thailand in their sights.


Posted by: obc | 2007-12-28 8:06:40 AM

The Real Pakistan ... right ... just another Islamic cesspool.

Islam is ruining this world. Thermo nuclear explosions in their countries must be considered before it's too late.

Posted by: John West | 2007-12-28 9:02:22 AM

Given the opportunity, the Islamofascists will bring this crapola to Canada one fine day.

Posted by: obc | 2007-12-28 9:06:45 AM

This article should clear things up rather quickly:

"Bhutto Killing Puts EuroLeaders On Notice: Time to Choose"

Friday, December 28, 2007 10:05 AM
by Scott Ott

The assassination of Benazir Bhutto has put on notice the leaders of every European nation.

Your secularism, your democracy will not stand. The growing Muslim populations in your own lands that you have done so much to tolerate, protect and celebrate, will soon rise up against you. Sharia law shall become your law. The Caliph shall rule you.

It remains only for you to choose submission or assassination.

This bullet to the neck of democracy in Pakistan should cause a twinge in the carotid artery of each leader in France, Britain, Germany, Belgium, Italy, Greece...name them all.


Posted by: obc | 2007-12-28 9:53:22 AM

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Not a dream of the radicals. This is what it is already called.

Bhutto was no saint. During her exile, how do you suppose she supported herself? Working at the neighbourhood Burger King?

Give you a clue. Even though she was in exile, she was still ‘leader for life' of her political party.

Posted by: set you free | 2007-12-28 11:01:05 AM

India is another example of democracy in peril. When an elected Prime Minister tosses the leadership like a hot potato, you have to wonder if the process is even worthwhile.

I guess since every Prime Minister for decades has lived in fear of Sikh extremists, it's just simpler to let a Sikh take the chair. Maybe Pakistan should come out of the closet so the rest of the world knows who we're really dealing with.

Posted by: dp | 2007-12-28 11:21:29 AM

Musharraf isn't stupid. he understands the only way to bring democracy is by imposition. the people must be force fed a western style democratic constitution.

uhh... good luck with that.

...particularly when the people don't understand the foundation of democracy. not one Islamic nation recognizes private property rights and free speech.

Pakistan's got nukes. this doesn't bode well for THEM, because of the attitude of the people. Afganistan and Iraq are an expensive venture for us, but most of these people want us to help them (even if they're not quite sure what they want), so the scenario is acceptable, and not too dangerous (in a relative way).

the US has been very benevolent within it's protectorate. not one superpower in history has been as peaceful and careful. imposing democracy can be very expensive, or very cheap. Iraq and Afganistan are expensive, but worth it. Iran and, possibly Pakistan have the potential to be very cheaply dealt with if the only way to protect our interests is to turn their infrastructure into glass.

i didn't like Bhutto. i don't like Musharraf; but he's the best man for the job at the moment. i have a tough time explaining my support for him to some folks. until someone better comes along (hah!! riiight...), he's the guy.

Posted by: shel | 2007-12-28 11:51:28 AM


referendum votes can be ok if there are Constitutions strong enough to handle the volatility.

if private property rights, free speech, and gun rights are entrenched in a Constitution and can't be touched by democracy, it's safe to have popular votes.

that's why Canada should not allow popular votes until we gain an understanding of our pernicious Charter, scrap it, and go back to the basics.

Posted by: shel | 2007-12-28 12:05:56 PM

Actually most Pakistanis identify themselves as Punjabis, Sindhis, Pathans, Mohajirs (Urdu-speaking immigrants from India as a result of partition) and Baluchs. A key problem of the country is a very weak sense of national indentity, a gap that fundamentalist Islam--very weak when Pakistan was created in 1947, including what is now Bangladesh (Bengalis)--has been able to exploit.

Fundamentalist Islam seized an opening when Gen. Zia pulled a coup against Benazir's father, Zulfikar, in 1975. Zia started to emphasize the Islamic nature of the state in an effort to gain popular support by contrast with the elder Bhutto's essentially secular socialism.



Posted by: Mark Collins | 2007-12-28 12:44:56 PM

Shel, I agree with your assessment. Property rights are key. Unfortunately, in minute steps the very things you want to protect are taken away. Property rights in particular could be considered priviledges in Canada. Free speech should be limited only by the laws against libel and slander and not inhibited by HRC kangaroo courts. As long as most of our citizens live in cities any hope of gun rights is gone.

Posted by: DML | 2007-12-28 1:24:33 PM



read the Charter. nowhere within it can the three fundamental liberties be found ("freedom of expression" is not free speech).

people don't make a simple connection: a "liberty" is something protected FROM the State. with every "right" given, BY the State, our three liberties are eroded. you simply cannot give someone a "right" without taking away a "liberty" from someone else.

scrap the Charter.

good night

Posted by: shel | 2007-12-28 1:53:24 PM

I couldn't agree more with shel's observation regarding Trudeaumaniacs charter...Scrap it!! And while we're at it, we should undo everything that A-hole rammed down our throats: HRC, bilingualism, multi-cult, etc.

Posted by: sean | 2007-12-28 5:40:08 PM

...dream on. Can you imagine how many people would be in unemployment lines if we scrapped the HRC, Bilingualism, Multi-Cult, umm, Multi-culturalism and so on?

Having just gotten back from Toronto, I must say I joked about TO being the centre of Universe populated by effeminate males, hobo's, and 3rd world types there.

My eyes were opened once again.

Lot of money in that town. Reminds me of Rome before the fall. Partying and such before it fell.

Posted by: tomax7 | 2007-12-30 10:11:46 AM

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