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Thursday, November 08, 2007

Sarkozy in America

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Posted by Winston on November 8, 2007 in International Affairs | Permalink


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Since it is on topic, I present for you a short essay I've just recently sent to my mailing list:

Who's your favourite foreign politician today?

Notice the tricky wording of the question, which allows me to dodge the problem of not choosing Prime Minister Stephen Harper of the Dominion of Canada, whose government I have been quite satisfied with lately (given that we can't really completely get rid of government in the first place, and then allowing for the huge Henrys per Ohm values involved in steering the course of the ship of state).

So with that out of the way, I present for you my choice for the answer to the question: M. le President Nicolas Paul Stéphane Sarközy de Nagy-Bocsa of the Republic of France.

Cribbed from Wikipedia: M. Sarkozy is the son of a Hungarian immigrant father, Pál Sárközy de Nagy-Bócsa, and a mother of French and Ottoman Sephardic Jewish descent, Andrée Mallah. Pál Sárközy was born in 1928 in Budapest into a family belonging to the lower nobility of Hungary. The family possessed lands and a small castle in the village of Alattyán, near Szolnok, 92 km (57 miles) east of Budapest. Pál Sárközy's father and grandfather held elective offices in the town of Szolnok. Although the Sárközy de Nagy-Bócsa family was Protestant, Pál Sárközy's mother, Katalin Tóth de Csáford, grandmother of Nicolas Sarkozy, was from a Catholic aristocratic family.

For those of you keeping score at home, the ethno-cultural history of the current President of France is Hungarian Ottoman Protestant Jewish Catholic lower-nobility immigrant. And he's the President of France. This must be driving the pure wool people nuts ;-)

M. Sarkozy's legacy has seen a lot of oppression, a lot of freedom, a lot of honest men, and a lot of shysters. With that in mind, I recommend to you M. Sarkozy's address this week to the Congress of the United States of America:


H. L. Mencken said, "Government consists of a gang of men exactly like you and me. They have, taking one with another, no special talent for the business of government; they have only a talent for getting and holding office. Their principal device to that end is to search out groups who pant and pine for something they can't get and to promise to give it to them. Nine times out of ten that promise is worth nothing. The tenth time is made good by looting A to satisfy B. In other words, government is a broker in pillage, and every election is sort of an advance auction sale of stolen goods".

I haven't changed my opinion about that; nevertheless, assuming it is true: it remains up to us to pick the best of the available auctioneers. I'd vote for Sarkozy.

Posted by: Vitruvius | 2007-11-08 10:29:24 PM

Sarkozy specifically mentioned his affection for America being rooted in what JFK (not Ronald Reagan) did for Europe, for the inspiration of Martin Luther King, and for the cultural achievements of Hollywood and Rock and Roll. He specifically said that the the mission in Afghanistan is essential and left out any mention of the need to be in Iraq.

I liked the speech. He told truth to power. Well done, Nicky!

Posted by: Fact Check | 2007-11-09 7:18:03 AM

Fat Chick bloviates again.

Posted by: obc | 2007-11-09 7:54:34 AM

"Pure laine" dosent exist in English and certainly not in France. It comes from the fact that French Canadians, far less than English Canadians, had to work tightly togeter to upgrade their condition. They were "tricoté serré" (Tight knit) and that's the reason of the "pure wool" expression. This have nothing to do with the French Canadian "race" or the degre of "purity" of that "race". By the way, to be a "pure laine", you only need to able to speak Québécois - what ever your color or background.
Thank you to take note of that.

Hey Vitruvius. It's been a while. Glad to hear from you.


"For those of you keeping score at home, the ethno-cultural history of the current President of France is Hungarian Ottoman Protestant Jewish Catholic lower-nobility immigrant."

Great !
Now the circle is entirely completed.
Now France really has the entire Middle East crisis in it's backyard.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-11-09 8:10:32 AM

One-trick pony rides again!

Posted by: obc | 2007-11-09 8:16:06 AM

Go home Oswald.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-11-09 8:18:31 AM

You too, Mark - to Brittany.

Posted by: obc | 2007-11-09 8:20:29 AM

The wonderful people of Brittany don't want this guy back.


Posted by: Epsilon | 2007-11-09 8:24:31 AM

Epsi ~

I can understand why!

Posted by: obc | 2007-11-09 8:40:24 AM

I like Sarkozy's first speech to the UN:
"In his maiden speech to the U.N. General Assembly, Sarkozy said: "There will be no peace in the world if the international community falters in the face of nuclear arms proliferation."

Iran was entitled to nuclear power for civilian purposes, he said, "but if we allow Iran to acquire nuclear weapons, we would incur an unacceptable risk to stability in the region and in the world".

In a broader warning against the dangers of appeasement, the new French leader said: "Weakness and renunciation do not lead to peace. They lead to war."

Now that's speaking truth to power.

It's good that Sarkozy admired JFK.
President Kennedy was a Democrat but he was clearly to the right of President George W. Bush.

Those were different times 40 years ago when the Democratic party was more interested in fighting Communists than being Communists.

Posted by: Speller | 2007-11-09 8:45:57 AM

But they want YOU back Epsi.
It's been 300 year since my first ancestor put his foot on this land and start devlopping it. My roots are Quebec roots and certainly not from the British oppressor, the ones who were burning our houses and raping our women.

What's YOUR Canadian curiculum ?

Anyway, it's not a question of backgroud.
It's because you hate everything that is Canadian. You hate this place so...go home, Oswald.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-11-09 8:51:11 AM

"when the Democratic party was more interested in fighting Communists than being Communists."

That sums it up in a nutshell, Speller.

Posted by: obc | 2007-11-09 8:51:47 AM

Poor oppressed Mark!

Posted by: obc | 2007-11-09 8:53:25 AM

Yes obc,
This was the reality back in the days.
Learn your history - I mean, Canadian history.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-11-09 8:59:02 AM


Chill, mon ami!

I'm neither of British or French ancestry and to me, it just doesn't matter.

BTW, in the 54 years since my parents arrived in Canada, I can honestly say we have had absolutely no problem with anybody burning our house and raping our women.

There comes a time in everybody's life where you have to forgive and move on.

At my dad's funeral, I forgave him and have had peace of mind about it ever since.

In Western Canada, the British is just one of the minorities.

In the neighbourhood I grew up, it was mostly families of Eastern European ancestry.

Nobody can change history and nobody can predict the future.

Live in today and you'll be amazed how much happier you can be.

Posted by: set you free | 2007-11-09 9:00:41 AM

Top 11 Things That Anti-War Protesters Would Have Said At the Normandy Invasion on D-Day (Had There Been Anti-War Protesters At Normandy)

11. No blood for French Wine!

10. It’s been two and a half years since Pearl Harbor and they still haven’t brought Admiral Nagumo to justice

9. In 62 years, the date will be 6/6/6. A coincidence? I think not.

8. All this death and destruction is because the neo-cons are in the pocket of Israel

7. The soldiers are still on the beach, this invasion is a quagmire

6. Sure the holocaust is evil, but so was slavery

5. We are attacked by Japan and then attack France? Roosevelt is worse than the Kaiser!

4. Why bring democracy to Europe by force and not to Korea or Vietnam? I blame racism

3. This war doesn’t attack the root causes of Nazism

2. I support the troops, but invading Germany does not guarantee that in 56 years we won't have a President who's worse than Hitler

1. I don't see Roosevelt or Churchill storming the beaches - they're Chicken Hawks!

Posted by: obc | 2007-11-09 9:01:16 AM

I'm realy zen regarding Canadian history and reality and I hate no one. I was answering obc's wrongful reference on by "background".
That's all.

I'm not the one full of hate here if you would be a bit more neutral in your analysis of our little chat.


"There comes a time in everybody's life where you have to forgive and move on."

Since obc is unable to live and love Canada, it's about time he moves OUT.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-11-09 9:12:22 AM

Marc, you know nothing of France.

I would live and work in France in an instant. The typical French citizen I know works hard, plays hard, is stubborn as hell, proud as a peacock and very, very conservative. I love them! And they love both Scots and Canadians and especially so in Normandie and Brittany.

These are the people who have elected Sarkozy. Not the union/elitist/academic/immigrant coalitions that abound in some of the cities.

Clearly, you would not fit into the modern, pastoral and hard working society that is Brittany and Normandie. In fact, I think they would be rather resentful of the fact that Quebec was a reluctant participant in the Wars while your so-called homeland was threatened with extinction.

In fact, you have some nerve claiming allegiance to France at all.


Posted by: Epsilon | 2007-11-09 11:03:10 AM


Don't apologise for your race. They survived virtually intact since the conquest. In contrast, Canada, Oswald's Israel (so desperate for immigrants that they grant citizenship to neo-Nazis) and Epsilon's England are facing race-replacement and eventual extinction. Sarkozy is a demonic race-replacer. He, like his ex-wife, have no love for the French.

Tiberge at Galliawatch translates Sarkozy's African speech;

"Young people of Africa, do not yield to the temptation of purity because it is a sickness, a sickness of the intelligence, and the most dangerous thing in the world.

Young people of Africa, do not cut yourself off from what enriches you, do not amputate a part of yourself. Purity is a confinement, purity is intolerance. Purity is a fantasy that leads to fanaticism. [And diversity leads to extinction].

The problem with Africa is that too often it judges the present in relation to the purity of its origins which are totally imaginary and that no one can hope to revive.

The challenge for Africa is that of all civilizations, all cultures, all people who want to keep their identity without confining themselves because confinement is fatal.

Civilizations are great insofar as they participate in the great diversity of the human spirit.

The weakness of Africa, where so many brilliant civilizations have flourished, was that for so long it did not participate in this great diversity ("metissage"). It paid dearly. This separation from the world made it vulnerable. But from its misfortunes, Africa drew a new strength by eventually mixing in with others (se metisser)."

Posted by: DJ | 2007-11-09 11:43:58 AM

blah, blah, blah, says the racist among us.

Interesting to see with whom he allies himself, though. The pepsi separatist from Queerbec.

Posted by: obc | 2007-11-09 11:46:59 AM

Interesting how Oswald, Sarkozy and the B'nai Brith in Quebec all play the same tune. Whatever might they have in common?

Posted by: DJ | 2007-11-09 12:02:56 PM

I was in Paris during the race riots a few years back.

Only Sarkozy had the balls to do what needed to be done and say what needed to be said.

DJ is clueless.


Posted by: Epsilon | 2007-11-09 12:05:17 PM

"DJ is clueless."

The understatement of the year, epsi!

Posted by: obc | 2007-11-09 12:08:22 PM

"In fact, I think they would be rather resentful of the fact that Quebec was a reluctant participant in the Wars while your so-called homeland was threatened with extinction."

Tell me Epsi,
Where was France when we needed them...?

Septembre the 13th 1759: Montcalm vs Wolf on les Plaines d'Abraham.

The French garnison left Quebec Septembre the 20th 1759.

The courageous François-Gaston de Lévis won the fight against the English in Sainte-Foy with not much forces. The Englishmen where sieged in Québec and the ones who would received the first reinforcements would win the war...

...the Frenchies never came.

Our history start there.


Claiming allegiance to France ? Are you out of your friggin mind ?!


"In fact, I think they would be rather resentful of the fact that Quebec was a reluctant participant in the Wars while your so-called homeland was threatened with extinction."

I was backpacking in Normandy last year. I went to Saint-Malo, Reine, Dieppe, la Côte d'emmeraude, etc...

Never heard of a Breton mad after us because of WWI or II. In fact, many elders there were so glad to meet a Quebec familly and some even cried telling us how lucky they were to have the 22ieme (the sames who are in Afganistan) backing their asses.

A lot of my friends in Normandy are really not happy to have Sarko as a President. Not at all.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-11-09 12:17:14 PM

Talk about living in the past!

Is it any wonder that there is no future for separatists, despite their claims to the contrary?

Posted by: obc | 2007-11-09 12:21:53 PM

"Only Sarkozy had the balls to do what needed to be done and say what needed to be said."


It was Le Pen who spoke for the French people long before the race-replacing Sarko took up the mantel, for political expediency, no doubt.

Jonathan Sacks, Britain's chief rabbi, wrote "Multiculturalism has led not to integration but to segregation."

"Liberal democracy is in danger," Sacks said, adding later: "The politics of freedom risks descending into the politics of fear."

The process, he said, began with Jews, before being taken up by blacks, women and gays. He said the effect had been inexorably divisive.

"A culture of victimhood sets group against group, each claiming that its pain, injury, oppression, humiliation is greater than that of others," he

Yet still Quebecers are demonised.

Posted by: DJ | 2007-11-09 12:30:03 PM

Canada in 1759 was worthless.

A single island in the Carribean was worth 10 times more in monetized trade revenue than was Canada at that time. Sugar and spices were simply worth more than furs and shipmasts.

So at that time, Canadian territories were but mere poker chips to be wagered in a grander global game of empire. No point wasting resources in what was then truly a wasteland.

So none of your leftoid friends voted for Sarkozy! This is not surprising!


Posted by: Epsilon | 2007-11-09 12:35:49 PM

"Canada in 1759 was worthless."

To whom? English snobs?

Posted by: DJ | 2007-11-09 12:50:44 PM

"blah, blah, blah, says the racist among us.
Interesting to see with whom he allies himself, though. The pepsi separatist from Queerbec."

You forgot those guys obc...


Wanna hear a funny story DJ ?
In Quebec, regarding the project of Pauline Marois regarding the ability of speaking French before attempting to become a political party, the English Quebecers are saying that they are disappointed because they are tired of this old debates. However, they understand the reasons behind this project.

The B'nai Brith, not having any expertise regarding Quebec language issues, are saying that we are from the "extreme righ wing" and that we wish to create "second zone citizens" with that project...

The local Anglos (billingual), directly concerned by local languages issues, would be the first to shout that this is a scandal if this would be the case...and they don't.

Aint that funny ?
Quebecers, wishing for more integration by the religious communities in the present reasonnable accomodements debate are not so wrong.
What do you think ?

Obc, it's been more than 300 years of separatists movements in Quebec. Last time the population was called to a referendum on that question, half were in favor of it.

The diference between "extreme Zionisme" and "Quebec separatisme" is that one operates peacefully.

It's a slow democratic process but you're talking of a 300 years old (and counting) living dream. It will not die until we will be maitres chez nous.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-11-09 12:55:39 PM

Voltaire called Canada "a few acres of snow". That's when the French controlled it. Now it has value under English-speaking rulers.

Posted by: obc | 2007-11-09 12:58:45 PM

And France for Quebecers is suppose to worth what exactly...?

Posted by: Marc | 2007-11-09 12:59:12 PM

"a few acres of snow"
Voltaire was a poet; not one of the Voyageurs.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-11-09 1:00:54 PM

Voltaire was more than a poet - but I wouldn't expect you to know anything more about the man.

Voyageurs were the cowboys of the north - and you have no respect for cowboys. Ergo, I have no respect for voyageurs.

Posted by: obc | 2007-11-09 1:08:03 PM

"I have no respect for voyageurs"

Do you seriously tought that anyone here doubt about your hate towards Canadians and Canadian history obc ?

Posted by: Marc | 2007-11-09 1:12:25 PM

Epsi, you are right about France. The average Frenchman and Frenchwoman are very conservative, the total opposite of their so-called intellectuals, bureaucrats and most of the politicians. It is the younger generations who have been indoctrinated by the fascist left to believe their culture and traditions worthless.

You are spot on concerning President Sarkozy. He was the only one during the Muslim riots to call a spade a spade. All the others stuck to the official line of "disgruntled youths". For this every attempt was made to silence Sarkozy, but the average Frenchman and Frenchwoman spoke with their votes when given the opportunity.

As for Quebec it bears no resemblance to France whatsoever be it language, culture or whatever. This is neither good nor bad but a fact.

So anti-Semitism has united Marc and DJ. Some surprise.

Posted by: Alain | 2007-11-09 1:15:36 PM


Voltaire a poet!

Thank you Marc for my laugh of the day! Your naivety does have a certain charm about it!

I would describe Voltaire as one of the god damndest things to ever come out of France. You can love him and hate him all at the same time.


Posted by: Epsilon | 2007-11-09 1:17:23 PM

Voyageurs are not much in Canadian history. Only separatists look up to these thieves who grabbed furs from the Natives for very little payment, just to enrich themselves. And of course, impregnating Native women and abandoning those children.

Typical French behaviour.

Posted by: obc | 2007-11-09 1:17:58 PM

"So anti-Semitism has united Marc and DJ. Some surprise."

I'm sure that is sarcasm, Alain. :)

DJ has been anti-Semitic from day one, but Mark has been hiding his true feelings until he could not mask them any longer. Quebec has been that way since its founding. No real surprise to see Mark expose himself here.

Posted by: obc | 2007-11-09 1:21:52 PM

Omigod! I am laughing so hard I can hardly type this!


Posted by: Epsilon | 2007-11-09 1:22:55 PM

"So anti-Semitism has united Marc and DJ. Some surprise."

And bigotry has united Alain, Lady, Oswald, the B'nai Brith in Quebec, holocaust denier Abe Foxman, and race-replacer Sarko. The hypocritoids hate all nationalists except the Israelis.

No surprise! :)

Epsi laughs while her native England is invaded and colonised. England a colony of India, now that's funny.

Posted by: DJ | 2007-11-09 1:31:55 PM

"Voyageurs are not much in Canadian history"

First, they are known and appreciated worldwide.
Anyone who ever got close to Canadian history knows the Voyageurs pretty well.

They were robbing the >compagnies< and not the Natives. Those compagnies where the ones robbing the Native like everywhere in Americas or even Africa.

"And of course, impregnating Native women and abandoning those children."

Who is Louis Riel and it's people ?
obc, good luck in trying to find a French Canadian with no indian blood.


"So anti-Semitism has united Marc and DJ. Some surprise."

First, I'm not anti-semitism.
I just dont trust Neo-Cons.

Also...why adding "some suprise" Alain ?

"The average Frenchman and Frenchwoman are very conservative"

Exactly. Not Neo-Cons, Conservative.


"Quebec has been that way since its founding."

What are you talking about obc ?

Posted by: Marc | 2007-11-09 1:35:01 PM

blah, blah, blah, says our resident racist.

Posted by: obc | 2007-11-09 1:35:50 PM

obc, epsi--I think they'll take him back--IF he agrees to clean their toilets.... And, they'll take DJ as well, to shovel the outhouses...what the heck--he stinks already, so won't make any difference.

Posted by: Lady | 2007-11-09 1:40:04 PM


"I would describe Voltaire as one of the god damndest things to ever come out of France."

Well, good for you but Voltaire, whatever is work and accomplishment might have be, never had to live Up North where true men with real balls had to develop this rough, beautiful and very rich teritory. My point is that voltaire's opinion dosent count where you have do real hard work to develop this beautiful teritory.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-11-09 1:43:08 PM


Quebec separatisme differs somewhat from Zionism in that Quebecers don't have the right to the lands on which Quebecers reside--as their own separate country--whereas Israel does.

Besides, the people who live with you and who support intifada-like behaviour--they would love it if Quebec separated--because then they could make Quebec into Islamic Quebecistan. Of course, this will mean placeing a crescent and star on your pretty little flag...oh dear.

Posted by: Lady | 2007-11-09 1:44:14 PM

DJ, you really are hung up on race.

Of course England is a lost cause. But I am Scottish and as far as I am concerned, England can rot in hell. Does not bother me a bit.

I rather see parallels with myself and Danae of "Atlas Shrugged" searching for a land where freedom truly reigns. Alberta, the US and yes, France and surprisingly Greece fall into this category for me.


Posted by: Epsilon | 2007-11-09 1:45:41 PM

A British Orthodox rabbi disdains multiculturalism in the UK but the hypocritoid's, liberal secular Jews, bigotry knows no boundary. Quebecers wish to preserve their people, their culture, their way of life in a nation of their own, just like Israel, but the liberal bigots wheeze and puff out their incantations.

The apocryphal hypocritoids; bigots and supremacists.

What's good for me is not for thee! :)

Posted by: DJ | 2007-11-09 1:45:42 PM

France lived under an absolute form of monarchy until 1789 when it adopted a form of government best described as "permanent revolution".

Voltaire lived before the Revolution, he was unable to conceive that people could have self-government, as the English colonies had since Virginia was founded at the same time as Quebec was settled. As far as Voltaire was concerned, the ruler had to have absolute powers but he had to love letters, the arts and philosophy (sounds familiar doesn't it?).

The English Revolution of 1689 was a positive event for mankind because it signified the birth of democracy. The English king was stripped of absolute power which he had to share with the Parliament. None of this happened in France. The French Revolution signaled the birth of anarchy. A few years later, Napoleon Bonaparte put an end to anarchy when he crowned himself emperor and supreme ruler of France. France has been a political volcano ever since. Just think about it: 5 Republics, 2 Empires, punctuated by a few attempts at reestablishing absolute monarchy not to mention the Vichy Regime that kissed Hitler's behind.

The new President of France has a monumental task in front of him, I wish him luck. Perhaps he will be so busy that he won't have time to interfere in the internal affairs of Canada like some of predecessors did.

Posted by: andré | 2007-11-09 1:48:43 PM

Sarcasm it was, for there was no surprise - obc. Actually it was far from the first time Marc's true colours surfaced.

We need to understand that fascism is a product of the Left, just as what to-day is called the extreme Right is a fellow traveller. When people refer to the church of liberalism (the Left, not classical liberalism) they are correct, since it is every bit a religion, minus the actual buildings. For the longest time I had difficulty understanding the reason for the Left's alliance with the Islamists, until I figured out that they both share a dictatorial/absolutist religion and will go to any length to force and impose their theology on others. Death before dissent. They both work to impose an intolerant theocracy and are deadly enemies to freedom/liberty.

Posted by: Alain | 2007-11-09 1:50:25 PM

Marc--looks like DJ (aka Dr Jihad)thinks you are latched onto his titty--and ready to become one with the islamofacists.

Canada already declared Quebecers as a nation of people (through PMSH)--not unlike all the other nations, such as First nations, who live in Canada as Canadian citizens--so Dr Jihad is a big fat loser!

Posted by: Lady | 2007-11-09 1:50:47 PM

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