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Wednesday, October 24, 2007

The Truth About the Jena 6

For some time, I've being trying to explain to people the absurdity of the uproar about the "Jena 6" - six criminals who assaulted an entirely innocent man and then, somehow, managed to make themselves into victims.  But this article, from the Assistant Editor of the Jena Times lays out the case far better than I ever could.

Here is the most striking portion:

The event on Dec. 4, 2006 was consistently labeled a "schoolyard fight." But witnesses described something much more horrific. Several black students, including those now known as the Jena 6, barricaded an exit to the school's gym as they lay in wait for Justin Barker to exit. (It remains unclear why Mr. Barker was specifically targeted.)

When Barker tried to leave through another exit, court testimony indicates, he was hit from behind by Mychal Bell. Multiple witnesses confirmed that Barker was immediately knocked unconscious and lay on the floor defenseless as several other black students joined together to kick and stomp him, with most of the blows striking his head.

Let's review: this group of thugs ambushed an innocent individual and savagely beat him unconcious.  Yet they're the ones who are getting songs written about them and who are being held up as heroes of civil rights?  What brave martyrs they make!  Though, they're more likely to make Bull Connor than Martin Luther King proud.

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" won't even attempt to note how many ways you have failed in your example..,"

...because you can't! :)

Still your turn Speller, old boy. Surely a man of your superior liberal intellect can come up with one teensy-weensy, itsie-bitsie little example for the loyal readership of the WS. They're all counting on you Speller. Don't let your fans down. Surely, name calling, is not all you, like the rest of your liberal cronies, bring to the table. Surely, a amn of your stature can provide some evidence of your assertion?

Or maybe not? Just let those 20 million + illegals stay in the country because the point is "so abstruse as to be less than moot." At least they'll fill those empty pews. :)

Last word is yours.

Posted by: DJ | 2007-10-24 10:03:32 PM

I'll point up the places where your example @ 24-Oct-07 8:05:40 PM fails when you come out of the closet with your position on forced repatriation of non-White Canadians and Americans.

Posted by: Speller | 2007-10-24 10:08:13 PM


you're a naive, hotheaded student. you're taking up alot of threadspace, and beginning to annoy me. you've made your fractured point here. don't you think it's time to move on to another blog?

Posted by: shel | 2007-10-24 10:09:27 PM

DJ likes it here.
We are tolerant of him and his goal is to make neo-commies point at the Shotgun and use him as an example of what a bunch of mindless fascists we all are.

Posted by: Speller | 2007-10-24 10:14:08 PM

I can't believe that someone suggested the beating had nothing to do with race. In the US everything has to do with race. For all the US worship around here, you sure don't know much about them.

That beating was payback, and it would have been a black kid taking it next time. That's just the plain truth. The authorities were right to file charges. Maybe not such serious charges, but nobody acted out of turn. The white kids were compelled to protect their traditions (the big tree). The black kids were compelled to establish their ground rules. The cops were compelled to file charges. Sharpton was compelled to do his thing. The system worked the way it always does, and that's just the way it has to be.

Posted by: dph | 2007-10-24 10:29:18 PM


i was thinking that. i've never been accused of being a (social) liberal until DJ told us we were a couple posts ago.

imagine: the guys on this blog being accused of THIS, for pete's sake! :) to accuse a conservative/libertarian, who just wants the State to be whittled down to a manageable beast, of being a liberal, really drives DJ to the right end of things. can you say "national socialist"? sieg heil!!

good night

Posted by: shel | 2007-10-24 10:29:27 PM


did you read the whole thread and get the facts?

Posted by: shel | 2007-10-24 10:32:09 PM

what makes you think the facts are in here?

Posted by: dph | 2007-10-24 10:34:57 PM

This thread has a lot of good facts and comments.
By and large, most of the thread is pretty entertaining and informative.

Posted by: Speller | 2007-10-24 10:43:34 PM


read Blair's post. it's about the fourth one down.

the noose was for the benefit of the school rodeo team, not black students.

good night

Posted by: shel | 2007-10-24 10:48:18 PM

"a conservative/libertarian..."

Now there's an oxymoron.

Libertarians? Aren't they the guys that support NAMBLA, the North American Man/Boy Love Association. Hey now there's a conservative group.

Posted by: DJ | 2007-10-24 11:37:26 PM

>"Libertarians? Aren't they the guys that support NAMBLA, the North American Man/Boy Love Association. Hey now there's a conservative group."
Posted by: DJ | 24-Oct-07 11:37:26 PM

No, you're confusing them with Liberians, you know DJ, those repatriated African-Americans you get funny in the pants about.

Posted by: Speller | 2007-10-24 11:45:30 PM

"you're a naive, hotheaded student. you're taking up alot of threadspace, and beginning to annoy me. you've made your fractured point here. don't you think it's time to move on to another blog?"

What Shel...you've start working here now ?
I've heard the print version of this workshop is no longer available. I've read the editors trying to explain, to their subscribers, their motive. I'm not sure those subscribers, unaware thier magazine would shut down, would be happy to learn they are hiring. What ever the answer you're about to give us, I personaly hope you are working there.

If not...SHUT UP !
No one cares about your states of mind, your preferences or what's anoying you. this is not a tupperware presentation tabarnack. Not that I have anything against tupperware presentations.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-10-24 11:52:12 PM

Do you see how the noose has no power or influence unless you empower it?

WHY empower The Noose Boogey Man, Think, Black KKK!

Quote from J.J. Johnson, black author at The Sierra Times. (google it)

"I hope some black person is reading this right now and fuming," he writes in one editorial. "If you think the Confederate flag is insulting to you, you are being used, or as we say it in the hood, you bein' played — for a fool."

H.K. Edgerton - A Black Man's March Across Dixie

"My march is a march of heritage, not one of hate, to bring an awareness of the pride we feel. [...] There are folks who look like me who care a lot about Dixie."


"If every African-American would pick up the Confederate flag," he proclaims, "I would say, 'Free at last, free at last, God almighty, I am free at last.'"

Sovereign Solutions producer Rich Angell travels to Black Mountain, North Carolina, to meet the legendary H.K. Edgerton.

This is a 50 min video interview of The Man, H. K. Edgerton of North Carolina. You will be glad you watched it!


Southern Heritage 411 believes that when the real truth is known about the War for Southern Independence, there will be a mutual understanding and a shared bond between the races that will result in improved race relations all over our nation.


Posted by: Josephine | 2007-10-25 2:06:56 AM

Wow. I left for a little while and you guys went ape shyt! lol

Posted by: Ms America | 2007-10-25 8:17:10 AM

Ms. A ~

Do you say that same thing to your family when you return from a long weekend with your parents? :)

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-25 8:31:48 AM


Posted by: Ms America | 2007-10-25 8:45:44 AM

Ms. A ~

I was laughing just as hard when I posted that last comment!

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-25 8:48:09 AM

In LA: The Reconquista Gets Ugly

"We used to kick it with" Latinos, said... Benny, who is black and grew up in the area. "Now you constantly hear about it: This is their land first and they've come to take it back."

"But during the mid-'90s, the Mexican Mafia prison gang began directing Latino gangs to stop fighting each other, to "tax" drug dealers and to push blacks from their neighborhoods, according to numerous gang members and law enforcement officers.

Florencia, in particular, had warred for years with 38th Street, a Latino gang to the north.

But under the new rules, Florencia was forced to get along with rival Latino gangs and once even played a pickup football game with 38th Street, said one Florencia gang member who requested anonymity out of fear for his safety.

The Mexican Mafia "didn't understand how it worked," he said. "I hate 38th Street. I didn't have no problem with the guys from East Coast because I grew up with them. It's kind of hard to say, 'Now I'm going to. . . kill this black guy just because he's black.' But that's how they wanted to do it."

LA race wars, Latinos cleansing LA neighborhoods of blacks, whose cleansed them of whites. And then there's the idiots, the John McCain/George Bush liberals, who wring their hands over repatriation. Too funny. If this was whites doing blacks, my goodness the wailing from the libertarian/NAMBLA crowd would never end.

Posted by: DJ | 2007-10-25 11:47:54 AM

blah, blah, blah says the racist among us.

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-25 11:49:18 AM

wow, Marc! that was quite the emotional post! it didn't even concern you. i must really be on your mind.

i'm flattered, i guess... but it is a bit creepy.

your reference to tupperware is, uhh, revealing.

(not that there's anything WRONG with that... )

Posted by: shel | 2007-10-25 6:26:14 PM

That's it ? That's your answer ?

Posted by: Marc | 2007-10-25 6:30:27 PM

HOUSTON - A coalition of major American media companies filed a 1st Amendment petition Monday seeking to open to public scrutiny the criminal trial of Mychal Bell, one of the teenage defendants in the controversial Jena 6 case in Louisiana.

The legal motion, filed in LaSalle Parish District Court, challenges the decisions by presiding Judge J.P. Mauffray to close the proceedings in Bell's juvenile case and order all the parties involved not to speak about it. Mauffray's orders run counter to Louisiana juvenile laws, precedents set by the Louisiana Supreme Court and provisions of both the Louisiana and U.S. Constitutions, the petition asserts.

The Chicago Tribune is the lead plaintiff in the petition, which has been joined by the Los Angeles Times, The New York Times Co., the Associated Press, the Hearst Corp., the Belo Corp., the Gannett Corp., CNN and ABC News.

Related links
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Jena 6 civil rights demonstration Video
Rights marchers greeted by glares in Jena Audio
Chicagoans head to Jena Video
Justice Department may probe bias in Jena
Jena 6 teen's return to jail draws queries
Jena 6 defendant out of jail
White supremacist backlash builds over Jena case
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Rev. Jackson questions Obama's ethnicity Video
Trouble in Jena
Bell, 17, is one of six black teenagers charged in an attack last Dec. 4 at Jena High School in which a white student was beaten and knocked briefly unconscious. That incident capped months of violent racial tensions in the small, mostly white central Louisiana town that was set off after three white youths hung nooses from a tree at the high school a day after a black student had asked school administrators whether blacks were permitted to sit beneath its shade.

LaSalle Parish District Atty. Reed Walters initially charged the six black youths with attempted murder for the attack, even though the white victim was treated and released at a local hospital. After the case gained national attention following a May 20 Chicago Tribune story, Walters reduced the charges to aggravated second-degree battery and conspiracy to commit aggravated second-degree battery, arguing that the tennis shoes the defendants allegedly wore constituted a deadly weapon.

National civil rights organizations, including the NAACP, the American Civil Liberties Union and the Southern Poverty Law Center, as well as civil rights leaders including Rev. Jesse Jackson, Rev. Al Sharpton and Martin Luther King III, have all contended that the charges against the black youths are unusually harsh and racially discriminatory in light of Walters' decision not to file equivalent charges against whites in the town who attacked blacks. The Congressional Black Caucus has denounced the prosecution and the House Judiciary Committee held a hearing into the matter.

On Sept. 20, more than 20,000 African Americans from across the country marched through Jena in a peaceful protest in support of the Jena 6 defendants.

Walters has denied that race played any role in his prosecutorial decisions. But his handling of Bell's case, as well as Mauffray's rulings, have been fraught with complications and controversies.

Bell, the first defendant to come to trial, was originally tried in June as an adult and convicted by an all-white jury after his court-appointed public defender called no witnesses on his behalf. But a Louisiana appellate court vacated that conviction in September, finding that Walters and Mauffray had improperly tried Bell as an adult rather than a juvenile.

After Walters decided to refile the battery and conspiracy charges against Bell in juvenile court, Mauffray agreed to release Bell on $45,000 bond after the youth had been held for nearly 10 months on the adult charges. But two weeks later, Mauffray abruptly reversed that decision and ordered Bell jailed for 18 months on four prior juvenile convictions, for simple battery and criminal destruction of property.

Mauffray's reasons for sending Bell back to jail are unknown because the judge ordered all of Bell's juvenile proceedings to be conducted in private. The petition brought Monday by the media consortium asserts, however, that Bell's case must be open to the public according to state and federal laws.

The motion cites, among other arguments, a 2004 Louisiana Supreme Court ruling that all juvenile proceedings involving certain categories of violent crime—including aggravated second-degree battery—must be conducted in open court.

The petition also contends that Mauffray improperly imposed a gag order on lawyers in the case.

"The underlying facts of this case have been published, broadcast, editorialized about, blogged and talked about throughout the country and across the globe," the petition states. "There is simply no reason to refuse to allow the trial participants to comment as well."

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Posted by: NotforSale | 2007-10-25 8:29:53 PM

I just don't understand what black leaders are trying to do anymore. Obviously, the effort of making these individuals into some sort of victims is only hurting the black community in the eyes of everyone. Sure there are racist people in Louisiana, but these 6 people did exactly what we should all be rallying against, and that is not taking the high road. Who cares about the nooses anymore. That issue flew out the door the second the students attacked another student like a pack of animals. Until the black leaders stop trying to fight racism by pointing fingers and rubbing things in peoples faces, it's only going to get worse. Racism is bad enough in the South but by pulling these idiotic stunts like this, or like the Duke rape case, it further discredits and demoralizes African Americans in the eyes of the very people they seemingly are trying to change. The way to change "white" people as if you can really even define what white is, is to actually reason and be respectful, not ram this sort of stuff down their throats. You can't get anywhere in this world doing that. The Black community as a whole needs to make up their mind if they want to reach out to white people and make progress, or just embarrass themselves and further inflame the very stereotypes and racism they say they want to end. You can't have it both ways, and the black community needs to put aside their extreme dislike for white Americans in order to improve their own lives. It's just sad that the black community has been duped into believing that this sort of behavior is helpful to them.

Posted by: JAYSC | 2007-10-26 10:27:38 AM

Hmmm, I was feeling you until this:

"The Black community as a whole needs to make up their mind if they want to reach out to white people and make progress, or just embarrass themselves and further inflame the very stereotypes and racism they say they want to end. "

Everything from this point in your post and further is completely bonkers. What on earth does this statement even mean?

Actually, just answer these questions:

-How does one REACH OUT to white people?
-Since you said that "White" can barely be defined then how do you suggest we define Black?
-And finally, you say that Blacks "can't have it both ways"...just what the hell does that mean anyway?

I'll be checking back on here to check your answers.

Posted by: Ms America | 2007-10-26 12:58:14 PM

I consider myself a 'Rosey' man, where I don't have freckles. White is just so colorless.

Oh, and JAYSC, I scroll past comments that don't have paragraph breaks to define coherent concepts.
It's too much work and such a drag.

Posted by: Speller | 2007-10-26 1:13:49 PM

I'm with Speller on this one...Just call me "tanned" lol

Posted by: Ms America | 2007-10-26 2:16:56 PM

An important thing to remember about the noose-hanging incident is that, following the Jena High School beating incidence, the Justice Department reopened its investigation into the noose-hanging incident and found no link to the assault on Justin Barker or other confrontations between black and white students. Donald Washington, U.S. attorney for the Western District of Louisiana, told CNN that "A lot of things happened between the noose hanging and the fight occurring, and we have arrived at the conclusion that the fight itself had no connection." He added that "We could not prove that, because the statements of the students themselves do not make any mention of nooses, of trees, of the 'N' word or any other word of racial hate." Washington also told CNN that Bell had "several previous assault charges on his record. " The CNN story is online at http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/09/19/jena.six.link/index.html?iref=newssearch

Jena High School adminsitrators, teachers and students say that black students never staged a protest beneath the tree. That's a blogger fantsasy.

The beating victim, Justin Barker, was not one of the three students who hung the nooses. Members of the Jena Six were angry at Barker because they heard he had been discussing a fight at a private party that involved Robert Bailey, one of their members.

A common but false assertion made in connection with the Jena High School beating is that the Jena Six are being over-charged simply because they are black. However, in a 2005 case similar to the Jena Six beating, five white South Carolina teenagers who beat up a black teenager were charged and convicted of “second-degree lynching and assault and battery of a high and aggravated nature.” (There was no actual lynching involved. Second-degree lynching is defined by South Carolina law as any act of violence on another person by a mob when death does not occur. A mob is considered two or more people whose purpose and intent is committing an act of violence on another person.) Like the Jena Six, the white teenagers kicked the victim, 16-year-old Isaiah Clyburn, as he lay on the ground. The attack left the black youth “on the roadside bruised and bloodied from the attack.”
The white teenagers received the following sentences: One, who prosecutors said was the person most responsible for the attack, was sentenced to 18 years suspended to six years and 400 hours of public service. Two were sentenced to 15 years suspended to three years and 300 hours of public service. And one was sentenced to 15 years suspended to 30 months and 300 hours of community service. A sixth co-defendant, Amy Woody, 17, was also charged with 2nd-degree lynching even though she did not take part in the beating.

The South Carolina incident was an obvious hate crime. The white teenagers, who used racial slurs, singled out Clyburn simply because he was black. However, the white youths were not charged with a hate crime, probably because South Carolina has no applicable hate laws. Like the Jena Six, they were charged only for the physical assault. The Jena Six beating also has obvious racial elements. According to witness statements, members of the Jena Six used racial slurs. According to witness statements, at the onset of the attack, “There’s that that white [expletive deleted] who’s been running his mouth.” If Jena Six had been white and had said, “There’s that that black (expletive deleted] who’s been running his mouth,” the federal government probably would have filed hate crime charges. The Justice Department considered filing hate crime charges against the white teenagers who hung the nooses even though no violence was involved.

Posted by: Blair | 2007-10-26 2:26:18 PM

One piece of advice:

When a black person tells a black joke-don't laugh. It's bait. I learned this one while on a drinking binge with some Native guys. Some of those stories were hilarious, but one snicker could have cost me the use of my legs.

Posted by: dph | 2007-10-26 2:30:37 PM

These "rosey" white liberal wannabees, are as Jared Taylor so eloquently describes, "breathtakingly hypocritical. The appearance of racial rectitude is perhaps America’s most highly-regarded virtue, but it comes at essentially no cost.

You don’t have to have black friends, you don’t have to have Mexican neighbors, you don’t have to send your children to schools where no one speaks English, and you don’t have to invite Hmong refugees to your dinner parties. You can be racially respectable without doing anything. Just gush about the things you, yourself, carefully avoid: integration, multi-culturalism, and diversity."

And who pays the price for this phony moral superiority? The everyday man on the street.

"The Crown Heights Riot was a three-day riot in the Crown Heights neighborhood in the New York City borough of Brooklyn. At that time, the community was home to approximately 180,000 Caribbean-Americans and West Indians (50%), African-Americans (39%), with a minority population of about 20,000 Jewish residents (11%). Six percent of the residents of Crown Heights were Lubavitch Chassidim.[1]

Lifsh said he thought he had the right of way to proceed through the intersection because of the police escort.[2] He deliberately steered his car away from adults on the sidewalk, toward the wall, a distance of about 25 yards (22.9 m), hoping that it would stop the car. "Unfortunately, the car did not come to a full stop upon impact with the building, but rather slid to the left along the wall until it reached the children." Then, "the first thing I did was to try and lift the car" to free the children.[15] However, the angry bystanders robbed him,[16] and an attendant from Hatzolah reported, "When we arrived, three or four black people" were beating him.[17][2] The first ambulance to leave the accident scene was the volunteer ambulance, because the two attending police officer directed the Hatzolah driver to remove Lifsh and his passengers from the scene for their safety. The technician from the City ambulance concurred with the situation regarding the escalating scene, and also instructed the volunteer Ambulance driver to take Lifsh to the hospital.[18] The New York Times reported on August 20, “[m]ore than 250 neighborhood residents, mostly black teenagers shouting ’Jews! Jews! Jews!’ jeered the driver of the car ... and then turned their anger on the police."[19]

On Tuesday, 18 Jewish people were injured; four stores were looted, including the Korean immigrant-owned Sneaker King where athletic footwear was sold that was completely emptied, a N. Y. Chicken, and the Iranian-owned Utica Gold Exchange was burned to the ground; 50 cars were damaged including 8 that were overturned and burned; and 60 homes were damaged.[21] The rioters located Jewish homes by mezuzot affixed to the front doors.[21] Following a rally by the anti-Semitic New Alliance Party addressed by Al Sharpton and Lenora Fulani, black teenagers threw bricks and bottles at police, who retreated after gunshots from the crowd. Shots were fired at police, and 12 police officers were injured.[2]

On Wednesday, Al Sharpton warned the city in a press conference that if Lifsh was not arrested, they would make a citizen's arrest.[2] During Wednesday, 8 police officers were shot and 10 were hit by bricks, two civilians were shot, a Lubavitcher man was knifed, individuals were pulled from their cars and beaten, the Police Commissioner's car was pelted, four police cars were overturned and others were set on fire, a Molotov cocktail was thrown, and David Dinkins was forced to remain in the Cato family's apartment after he visited them because bottles and rocks were being thrown at him.[21]"

Ahhhh...the joys the rosy wannabee liberal liars bring us.

Posted by: DJ | 2007-10-26 3:39:47 PM

Another funny story.

A bread truck rolled into the ditch in Preston, just outside Halifax. The driver was pinned inside, and thought he was going to be saved when a bunch of people arrived. Instead they stole every loaf of bread, and left the injured man trapped for several hours.

This happened many years ago, and was on my mind when I and three friends were stranded with a dead battery on the same road. I felt like the guy who dropped the broom and had to retrieve it. Thirty years later I still would take a different route.

Posted by: dph | 2007-10-26 3:49:25 PM

blah, blah, blah says the racist among us.

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-26 3:49:51 PM

Any one who claims to be totally non-racist is kidding himself. I think I'm in the majority of Canadians who keep it under control most of the time. To pretend it doesn't exist is just setting yourself up for a fall.

We're hardwired to defend our gene pool. All of us, Black, White, Yellow. If the sane people deny it, then the crazies control the dialogue.

Posted by: dph | 2007-10-26 4:07:00 PM

Why is it that so many White and Black who claim to fight racism insist instead on rewarding it? If we are determined to trot out the racist card in this situation then we are talking Black racism against Whites.

However it should be pretty simple if we still have a moral compass to understand that the perpetuators of this pre-meditated assault must be punished and not rewarded. Otherwise we are rewarding unlawful acts of violence. It matters not what their colour is nor what the colour of the victim is. Are we so screwed up that we can no longer recognise a crime when it smacks us in the face?

Posted by: Alain | 2007-10-26 4:11:31 PM

More joys of diversity...the 2001 Cincinnati riots.


Posted by: DJ | 2007-10-26 4:22:41 PM

If you live in that town or go to that school you can probably recognise it. If you're completely removed from the pain it's easy to think in abstract terms.

Next time you watch a sporting event (especially a fight) watch the fans. If there's an athlete in the crowd he'll whince when someone gets hit really hard. Joe blow fan won't bat an eye because he has no connection other than a remote control.

Posted by: dph | 2007-10-26 4:23:08 PM


Nice thorough examples, I totally understood what you meant.

Posted by: Ms America | 2007-10-29 8:36:10 AM

Hello! So nooses were hung! So what? Take a picture of it, tell your principal or teacher and ask what the hell is this? If your answer is a wishy washy one, protest! Thats the best way to make a statement. Never assume anything. Proceed when you have all the facts correctly. As a mother I always told my 3 children never to hit anyone unless you are down to defending yourself. What kind of parents do these young adults that beat up this one kid have? No excuse!!

Posted by: bb | 2007-10-30 11:46:49 AM

Hello! So nooses were hung! So what? Take a picture of it, tell your principal or teacher and ask what the hell is this? If your answer is a wishy washy one, protest! Thats the best way to make a statement. Never assume anything. Proceed when you have all the facts correctly. As a mother I always told my 3 children never to hit anyone unless you are down to defending yourself. What kind of parents do these young adults that beat up this one kid have? No excuse!!

Posted by: bb | 2007-10-30 11:47:15 AM

Pretty pissed huh bb?

"Never assume anything. Proceed when you have all the facts correctly."

The nooses were hung MONTHS before anyone was beaten. I think the question here is whether the beating had anything to do with the nooses at all. Besides, after a couple of months I don't think assumptions were still at large. I think by that time everyone pretty much new what was what. But that's a hunch.

Posted by: Ms America | 2007-10-30 2:21:44 PM

"I think by that time everyone pretty much new what was what."

And that legitimizes the beating?

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-30 2:34:24 PM

"You know my race? You know my colour? You know anything? You know my success? You know the combined wealth of posters here? You know who we work with, play with, and what clothes we wear?"

Oh yeah, what does this mean? I'm sorry, I don't get it.

Posted by: Ms America | 24-Oct-07 2:34:44 PM

In retrospect you and I have been cross-debating.

Alain's last point is very powerful.

And no where else is this more apparent, than where people turn a blind eye to crimes against others. The analysis breaks down when the subject matter is over whelmed with politics. The debate has wobbled, and DJ just loves this stuff. The only benefit to keeping this thread going, is that it keeps him off the other threads, where he persists with that racist card of his!

Posted by: Lady | 2007-10-30 2:39:22 PM


No, I didn't say nor imply that. That quote was me disagreeing that anyone was still acting off of assumptions after a 3 month period. What they were acting off of, who knows, but it definitely wasn't assumption. For me, assumption and premeditated battery does not go hand in hand. Seriously, how long can a group of teens really go about in a high school for 3 whole months without some sort of mutual confirmation that a conflict exists. Especially considering the obvious demeanor of the Jena 6, I don't believe for one second that the entire school didn't know they were pissed about the nooses. The idea of assumption makes me think of irrational actions, temporary insanity if you will. I don't buy it, unless of course the beating took place the same day as the noose hanging. Jena 6 new exactly what they were doing for a long time before they did it. Makes it all the more worse if you ask me. Me legitimize a beating??? Refer back to my very first post to riddle that.


Here's where it gets interesting: Where exactly do we disagree? Also, I still don't understand that quote so nevermind :-)

Posted by: Ms America | 2007-10-31 9:36:27 AM

Thanks for your clarification.

"unless of course the beating took place the same day as the noose hanging"

Here I will disagree. Even on the SAME day, no beating can be justified.

And certainly making these 6 thugs into heroes by the likes of Sharpton (Remember Tawana Brawley?) makes it hard to accept ANY claims of racism propagated by race baiters like him.

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-31 9:42:31 AM

Ms America,

After all is said, I don't believe we disagree.

And my quote was rhetorical in nature--which alluded to the interesting fact of the disruption of the time/space continuum through internet blog communications.

Posted by: Lady | 2007-10-31 10:11:20 AM

Absolutely obc!

"unless of course the beating took place the same day as the noose hanging"

This is THE ONLY way I would believe that the noose hanging had anything to do with the beating. Wrong either way. By the way, did I mention I hate the likes of Sharpton? LOL

Posted by: Ms America | 2007-10-31 10:41:45 AM

Ms. A. ~

You did, and for that alone you've won my complete admiration.

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-31 11:50:22 AM

Sorry I am late to the dance but would like to point those interested to a very civilized discussion of Jena 6 by some military folks:
It is long but there are some very good points made in their discussions.

Posted by: msgijoe | 2007-11-01 8:39:26 AM

I live just 12 minutes away from Jena. The Media has blown this all out of porportion and just wanted to appeal to the public. Most of ya'll poting on here has taken the bait that the set. I read on here where someone was saying why can't both sides admit they were wrong. There are no "Buts". Hanging Nooses is WRONG!!" Ok first of all the Nooses were NOT aimed at tha black students, like the media played it out to be. Actualy the Nooses wre hung for an upcoming football game against the CowBoys! I have no clue why Justin Barker was attacked, but Micheal Bell and his accomplishes waited for him to come out a door and blocked off the exit. THen when Justin tried to leave, Micheal hit him in the back of the head. That ain't a real man, hit a guy while he ain't lookin. The other boys and micheal hit Justin while he lay unconcious. Yes Micheal did go to the hospital and returned the next day, but just for a minute to get his Senior Ring. The Media played out like he came back all fine and dandy. The convicions, well some were a bust. 2 of the 6 were innocent, they just walked up there and was actualy checkin on him. THe media has made a bif hoop la over nothing. And everyone thinks that these boys are Saints, and theNext ROSA PARKS. Bull!! These boys aren't standing up for civil rights, but tryin to save their A**es!! Micheal Bells mom took the money people donated for his atorney bills and bought a BRAND NEW JAGUAR! ANother one went out and bought BLING! These boys are being rewarded for beatin th tar out of a boy! BOGUS!!

Posted by: mattfmJena | 2007-11-01 12:17:39 PM


That was beautiful Matt From Jena!

Unfortunately, you're basically saying a bunch of stuff that has already been said but it's not your fault, you probably didn't have the time to read every single post on this site. Hell, obviously you didn't even have the time to read MY whole post before you quoted me and basically paraphrased my argument. Had you read, you would have seen:

"A couple of bias, opinionated, unreliable news reports aren't gonna do it. Give me a break. But what I do know is this, if the intent was to perpetuate a racial slur to Blacks, then it was WRONG just as the beating of Justin Barker was WRONG. If the boys hung the nooses for other reasons then fine. That's all I'm saying."

See Matt from Jena, I clearly agree with you. I even made a comment questioning the validity of the news and media just as you have. Notice how I continue to use words like "IF" to give room for reason. I would appreciate if you would quote me appropriately. It's not fair to readers of this blog or me. Thanks!

Posted by: Ms America | 2007-11-01 7:20:39 PM

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