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Wednesday, October 03, 2007

The Ron Paul Problem

We have a problem here.

Of course, many of you know it already.  But, I think the time has come to make it official: Ron Paul’s campaign for the Presidency now presents a serious challenge to those who love liberty and seek its preservation against the Islamist assault on our civilization.  It is no longer sufficient to simply dismiss those who support him as a motley collection of nuts and morons. It’s not that I deny that many of them are – it’s just that nuts and morons get to vote too.

It is fashionable for conservatives to dismiss Ron Paul, citing his flat poll numbers – just a few percentage points in most polls.  I believe this to be a mistake – not only are national polls worthless in assessing the results of individual primaries, but they also fail to consider support that polls – especially polls partisan primary polling – might fail to pick up.  While there’s absolutely zero chance that Paul is going to win the Republican nomination, there is a very high probability that he will be able to raise enough money to remain in the race and get enough votes to continue to receive media coverage.  Worse still, it is entirely possible that he will win a sufficient number of delegates to cause trouble during the Republican National Convention (even, say, thirty could be a serious annoyance and disruption) and that he will go on to run as a third party candidate.  There is also, if Senator Clinton secures the Democratic nomination early, the possibility that the internet-savvy leftist nutroots might organize in order to give Paul the illusion of more support.

Of all opposing forces, fifth columnists are the hardest to defeat.  And that is what makes Ron Paul such a serious threat – because he is nominally a “Republican” he gets to go up on stage with the serious candidates for the Republican nomination and to spew his garbage all over the stage.

(It goes on and on and on at my blog.  As you might have surmised, I really, really, really don't like Ron Paul). 

Posted by Adam T. Yoshida on October 3, 2007 in International Politics | Permalink

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Programmed Pauloids - no shortage of them, it seems.

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-04 9:48:08 AM


They are here because other Americans are here reading this.

WeOwnTheInternet,
The majority of internet postings are spam and you are a spammer.
Are you proud?

The internet used to be a nice place to hang out, now it's a slum.

http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/netslum/

Mark W,
All of Islam is a threat to our civilization, not just 'radical Islamists'.
They want a society which is mired in the 7th century to be imposed on all the world.

Mad as a hatter,
But who will save us from Ron Paul?

Posted by: Speller | 2007-10-04 9:48:18 AM


I agree with you. It does appear that Ron Paul has a serious chance here. This simply cannot happen in our current world of fear and destruction. Ron Paul and a good number of his supporters need to learn about this fear first hand. I would support anyone who would send these people to Guantanamo as enemy combatants.

Ron Paul cannot win!!

Posted by: William D Berg | 2007-10-04 10:28:32 AM


Yoshi,
You are way off base with your post.

I subscribe to Google Alerts for all the Republican candidates and a couple of the democratic candidates. I spend many fun hours reading all the articles, blogs on the candidates and on all the comments and post. It blows me away how many people post comments on articles and blogs on Ron Paul... it can take an hour to read them all. (like the responses to your post - brilliant) On all the other candidates especially Fred Thompson it takes less than 3 minutes to read the couple of comments.
This says something to me.

I like so many others out there have never contributed to a presidential candidate until I contributed my hard earned money to Ron Paul. I have made 2 donations and will donate money every month out of my retirement check until I max out.

In 60 years I have never seen this kind of a person run for President. If Dr. Paul does not get elected I have contingency plans to move to Panama and leave this police state behind.

I just pray that America wakes up and learns the truth. Please order the RP DVD at http://www.ronpauldvd.com/ and pass them out to everyone you know. I get most of my news on the Internet and I refused to watch FOX news network. I however do like Prison Break....

Go Ron Paul and may the good Lord shine his light upon you.

P.S. I ordered the Ron Paul stamp. I go to the bank every Monday and take 2,000 one dollar bills out. Take them home and stamp them with the RP stamp then re deposit them on Tuesday. So far I have stamped over 14,000 one dollar bills. Please join me and do the same. This is fun and maybe Sean Hannity will end up with one of the dollar bills in his wallet.

Posted by: collin28 | 2007-10-04 10:31:03 AM


What you bloggers against Ron Paul don't understand is is that it is so much fun punkin you bitches out.

Posted by: Coulis | 2007-10-04 10:40:44 AM


I have no idea who this Paul guy is so I entered this thread with an open mind. After reading the childish phrases, the vulgar language and the blantant anti-semitism from the keyboards of his so-called supporters, I don't want to know anything more about him. If this is an exemplification of his support base, then he is definitely one big loser.
Nice job Kids!

Posted by: atric | 2007-10-04 10:40:45 AM


Mr. Yoshida,

Thank you for posting such an amorphous rant about Dr. Paul. There's nothing that draws attention quicker than an attempt at prohibition of an idea or of a person, especially when done without offering a cogent argument. Smear & disinformation seems to work well for you. Well done!

I see you have swallowed the 'Islamo-fascism' canard without the first hint of introspection as to its veracity. Truly pathetic of you but I guess it takes 'spew' to know 'spew' and deflect & project that only other people spew, but not you, no sir!

You and others of your ilk are going to 'prohibit' Dr. Paul right into the WhiteHouse. Thank you for your unintended support and raising awareness of Dr. Ron Paul.

Keep up your posts, your attempts to smear are simply galvanizing to RP supporters, much like RP's Freedom Message itself, but with yours having exactly the opposite effect you intend. Again, well done, sir!

Posted by: LeeL | 2007-10-04 10:42:56 AM


A serious threat to liberty? Are you a fool?

Ron Paul is our only chance for any sustained liberty in this country.

Posted by: Michael R | 2007-10-04 10:52:16 AM


This isn't journalism - it's a propaganda hate piece by a shameless troll who knew he could get lots of hits and comments by badmouthing the only candidate who would defend his right to say this sort of crap if it was AGAINST the establishment rather than towing the party line. Fellow Ron Paul supporters, please STOP falling into the traps these neoclowns keep setting for us. If THEIR supposedly-mainstream media keeps ignoring Ron Paul or keeps casting him (and us) in a negative light the best thing we can do is to take the high road and NOT give them the attention (and ad revenue) they so desparately want.

Posted by: Dave Easterly | 2007-10-04 10:59:45 AM


GO Ron Paul!!!!

Posted by: James Karberg | 2007-10-04 11:09:27 AM


I just talked to the NH authorities. They said that you don't have to declare Republican by Oct 12 to be able to vote for Ron Paul. Instead if you're not sure how you are going to vote yet, you can switch to Undeclared (which you must do by Oct. 12) Then you can declare your party affiliation as late as the day of the Primary election right at your polling place.

Posted by: Richard Brodie | 2007-10-04 11:17:41 AM


Great! Now all New Hampshire Canadians will know what to do.

Go, Ron Paul! GO AWAY!

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-04 11:22:28 AM


After 9/11, The US Military had to call on NATO to come watch our airspace. Why? All our aircraft were in the Middle East bombing and harassing them. We had been bombing Iraq almost daily since the first Gulf War. Every time they used their radar to watch our ARMED AND THREATENING aircraft, they were bombed.

The purpose of 9/11 was to incite fear. They succeeded, we surrendered. It's time for us to throw out all the cowards who are willing to throw out the Bill of Rights because they are afraid.

GO RON PAUL!

All you Ron Paul supporters; don't fallinto their trap of name calling and slander. We're better than that.

Posted by: Mike Z | 2007-10-04 11:24:50 AM


"All you Ron Paul supporters; don't fallinto their trap of name calling and slander. We're better than that."

Yes - don't sabotage the "talking points" issued today when you were all directed to this Canadian site. SHEEESH!

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-04 11:29:31 AM


"All you Ron Paul supporters; don't fallinto their trap of name calling and slander. We're better than that."


But it is fun.

Some RP supporters want economic freedom.
Some want civil liberty.
Some want truth in politics.
Some want true equality when it comes to justice.
Some want sound money that doesn't lose value everyday.
Some don't want unelected governemnt bureaucrats pulling guns on them, and demandeing what does not belong to them.
Some want to make sure free speech is protected.
Some want privacy.
Some want the right to not be stripped of their right to vote and work when they make tough choices in their youth regarding to prohition laws.
Some want to close the cookie jar that the corrupt officials use to fund shutout agendas.

Me, I like getting on blogs, and saying things like, eat some nuts, bitch, this is America at its finest; diverse and free.

And, atric, I know you are a trick, but don't get on and lie like you have an open mind. Democrats have open minds, and that only fills their head up with socialism. Are you a socialist? I hope not.

Posted by: Coulis | 2007-10-04 12:56:33 PM


"Ron Paul’s campaign for the Presidency now presents a serious challenge to those who love liberty and seek its preservation against the Islamist assault on our civilization."

You make this gross statement and never support it. WHO ARE YOU? I'm not even a Ron Paul supporter (although his message is clear and makes some sense) but if you are writing on behalf of "those who love liberty" I hope you stop writing. Embarrassing.


Posted by: MAL | 2007-10-04 1:06:07 PM


GO RON PAUL! GO RON PAUL! GOD BLESS RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT 2008!

I'm a 48 year old grandfather who's greatly appreciating the Ron Paul Presidential campaign! The BIGGER story however is, that Ron Paul has $5.3M cash on hand and that he's NOT going to take matching funds! Most political experts estimate the Ron Paul grass-roots army of 50,000+ of ever rapidly growing volunteers to be worth an extra $10+M/per month in campaign contributions! SO WAKE UP NEOCONS! America is sick and tired of "BIG Brother" government breathing down our necks and getting us involved in no-win, unconstitionally, undeclared "military-industrial" growth wars in the middle east plus the 130 other countries we have a presence in at the taxpayers expense of $1 TRILLION per year! I personally loathe working 5 months out of the year to pay my income tax obligation that's earmarked 100% for the "interest-only" payment on the $10 TRILLION National debt to the "ultra-private" Federal Reserve Banking Corporation! Of course, I detest our current "pack of beaurocrats" who are spending our tax dollars like "junkies waiting for their next fix!" I am however, extremely delighted as to the way Ron Paul has shown his frugal fiscal responsibility regarding his own personal campaign - Let's compare that with ANY other presidential candidates finances and review their "donations vs.. expenditures" ratios? Then ask yourself this important question - Who do you really want running our economy for the next 4-8 years? A fiscal conservative who thinks our dollars should be backed by something other than printing money out of "thin air" and who would replace the dreaded "Income Tax" with NOTHING! Or just the same 'ole same 'ole ...btw...FYI to MSM a point of clarification an ISOLATIONIST is the EXACT opposite of a NON-INTERVENTIONIST and Ron Paul is a NON-INTERVENTIONIST! Please for God Sake learn the difference, unless you're intentially misleading people. Also, while I'm on a roll - The term "Long Shot" for Ron Paul can gracefully be discarded in the compost pile of media bias and propaganda. This may be our last chance ... The choice is yours ... GOOGLE Ron Paul for yourself and get the WHOLE story on the man many believe to be an American Hero!!!

Best Ron Paul video - (Reply: WRONG!?Best Presidential Candidacy Video EVER!!!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFfdB5OzlyQ[/url]

"None are more enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
-- Goethe

Posted by: chris lawton | 2007-10-04 1:20:55 PM


Here's a news flash:

There are an amazing number of intelligent, patriotic Americans who are fed up with the way things have been going in our country for a long time now. A number of us are really out of tolerance for crooked politicians. We've had enough.

Ron Paul has more honor and integrity than all the rest of Congress combined.

Don't tread on my Ron Paul.

Oh, and Yoshi? Your ignorance is showing.

Posted by: Richard in Austin | 2007-10-04 1:29:21 PM


"Don't tread on my Ron Paul."

I'll tread on him - and all other power-hungry ignoramuses that I come across.

RUDY FOR PRESIDENT!

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-04 1:36:20 PM


Catch bin Laden, you neocon wuss. Then you can tell me that I'm soft on terrorism.

Posted by: Joe Schembrie | 2007-10-04 1:41:46 PM


Im just here to voice my support for Ron Paul. The reason I support Paul is the simple fact that he is honest and I believe he is man of character of integrity. Before I vote for anyone, that have to past that test, and so far, he is only the Republican to have done so.

Posted by: Jim Raynor | 2007-10-04 1:49:09 PM


HA! That's what DemoRats said about Billybob Clinton in 1992 - and look what we ended up with.

Bought & sold by the Red Chinese!

Ron Paul is bought & sold to the hands of George Soros.

RUDY FOR PRESIDENT!!!

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-04 2:10:39 PM


I can't not agree more that them Islamists be assaulten on our civilization, now God darn it, I have had it up here, I am so scared of dem ragheads....we need to nuke em, every last one, then we be safe and free, cause remember, freedom is not free and the blue sky is not blue and George Bush is not George Bush, he is a Zionist Controlled facist pig...

Posted by: Max D. | 2007-10-04 2:15:06 PM


Posted by: atric | 4-Oct-07 7:41:51 AM
"Is this Paul guy the homosexual cross-dresser I saw on TV once?"

No, you're thinking of one of the other Republican candidates, a former mayor of NYC named Guiliani. There's no resemblance.

Posted by: Dave | 2007-10-04 2:22:16 PM


"George Bush is not George Bush, he is a Zionist Controlled facist pig..."

The mask of your anti-Semitism keeps slipping off. Don't think we haven't notice what is really driving you guys.

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-04 2:29:01 PM


I was going to comment on this hit piece, but looks like I arrived here to late.

I'll just add: SNAP!

Posted by: Scott | 2007-10-04 2:32:07 PM


Cause remember, George Bush is not George Bush, he is the the great decider..he is reshaping the Middle East and Rudy will continue in his foot steps..GO RUDY GO

Posted by: Max D | 2007-10-04 2:32:39 PM


im so scared of the terrorists im so scared im so scared of islamos we must kill them all kill their children kill them so they cant have more children i cant sleep and i piss on myself or else i wood be in irac and killing them too

please stop ron paul please stop ron paul we must kill the islamos we must kill them all only fred can keep us safe fred thompson will keep us safe

fear is our only freedom fear is our only freedom kill them all more war until we are safe

why cant i sleep kill them all

Posted by: FTRocks | 2007-10-04 3:15:21 PM


Election season’s underway

Well you better get ready for a police state controlled day

Hey ex-wives, what do you say

Rudy's gonna win today.

obc is singing …

Go, Rudy, go

Go, Rudy, go

Hey, North American Union, what do you say

Rudy's gonna win today

Go, Rudy, go

Go, Rudy, go

Hey Special Interests, what do you say

Rudy's gonna win today.

They got the power, they got the money

To stamp out your freedoms and wage endless wars against terror

Hey Globalists and military industrial complexes, what do you say

The Rudy's gonna save the day

A new 9/11 time is here again

You can catch it all on Fox & CNN

So stamp your feet and clap your hands

Rudys got 1 great fan.

Keep singing, obc

Go, Rudy, go

Go, Rudy, go

Posted by: Steve Goodman | 2007-10-04 3:15:29 PM


And, atric, I know you are a trick, but don't get on and lie like you have an open mind. Democrats have open minds, and that only fills their head up with socialism. Are you a socialist? I hope not.
Holy Crap! now I've been called a Socialist! Look Coulis, your fellow travellers are nothing more than a bunch of potty-mouthed juveniles who have no idea of Realpolitik.They would be better served getting a job instead of spending all their time posting childish garbage on a Canadian website that will have zero effect on the outcome
at the Republican National Convention.
Paul, like H.Ross Perot before him, will go down in flames.
Oh, and Collin28, nifty eh? The stupidiest, most childish thing I have ever heard of. Pity this ill-conceived idea has been practiced by better persons than you over at least the past hundred years. Go back to class and quit wasting your childhood!

Posted by: atric | 2007-10-04 3:17:03 PM


atric ~

The fools will be gone by tomorrow, once new threads are opened and their "dear leader" is sent to the archives.

I have no doubt these are the kos kids and moveon.org zealots behind this Ron Paul idiot. They think he can splinter the Republicans HA! Shows how dumb they really are.

As soon as their anti-Semitism was revealed, it was obvious what's driving them. All front groups for George Soros to facilitate the election of the Stalinist hag, Her Heinous.

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-04 3:37:47 PM


I'm sure seeing a lot of 'anti-semetic' comments directed towards RP supporters. Ooops, nevermind it's all coming from one poster 'obc.' Then he pulls the wonderful Nazi card forfeiting any attempt at debate.

Then atric comes on and confuses obc as a Ron Paul supporter.... good times.

If a Canadian trying to get Ron Paul elected is a loser and crazy, well sir, I am damn proud to be a loser and crazy.

Canada is one of the worst examples of a supposed democracy in the world; a benevolent dicatorship is more like it.

As a small business owner and IMO open-minded individual; libertarian ideas and therefore small government hold a great appeal for me. I don't agree with all of RP's positions but he's dead on with the large majority.

The great thing about RP is he makes all of us research the issues and the institutions. The large majority of his supporters are well informed. It's unfortunate his detractors won't post a logical argument against his policies. Perhaps they can't so they resort to ad hominem arguments.

Posted by: Jeremy | 2007-10-04 3:42:27 PM


It is great to see media attention focused on the great statesman who actually follows his oath of office and wants to provide accountability to the government.

For freedom,
Philip Haddad
RonPaul2008.com

Posted by: Philip Haddad | 2007-10-04 3:44:05 PM


blah, blah, blah.

We know who & what you guys are.

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-04 3:45:39 PM


Most every true American who hears Ron Paul will support him. That is why the media dares not give him coverage. Those having dual loyalties (actually they have only one) think he is dangerous.

Posted by: BillyBob | 2007-10-04 4:12:36 PM


"blah, blah, blah."

That about sums up the retorts I've heard from Republican nominees to RP's arguments.

Posted by: Jeremy | 2007-10-04 4:12:50 PM


Excellent rebuttal obc, in court recently, I used the same rebuttal...

"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury", pause for dramatic effect...."blah, blah, blah, We know who & what you guys are"

Needless to say my case was a slamdunk...

obc thank you for a much needed laugh...u r truly a beacon for all debaters. In fact, I now bestow upon you the grand title of the Great Debater.

Posted by: Steve Goodman | 2007-10-04 4:21:17 PM


I don't bother debating programmed androids. Blah, blah, blah is all you'll get from me.

Those who are regulars on this site know I debate legitimate arguments, but the likes of you robots are not worth my time.

Billybobbett -

"Those having dual loyalties (actually they have only one) think he is dangerous."

We know that language well here. Thanks for proving my point that you guys are ALL a bunch of anti-Semites. WELL DONE!!!

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-04 4:36:01 PM


Just what we need: a Canadian wanna-be American "expert" on our country's policies. Why don't you find a better a use for your time and worry about your own business?

Posted by: yikes | 2007-10-04 9:24:50 PM


Yoshi - Another thing: You said you don't like him. Fine. People who speak the truth are not generally well-liked. So what if Paul might not make it? At least he keeping it real.

Posted by: yikes | 2007-10-04 9:34:00 PM


I seem to recall that a recent shotgun blog illuminated just how libertarian most of us were. RP being an X-libertarian candidate, should be more in line with this blogs posters...I think the only strange thing I have seen from his highlights is when he thinks the USA should just up and leave the rest of the world to its own devices...WWII the USA had a very similar pacifist attitude and refused to enter the war until it was to late. The fact is not matter how you look at it, the terrorists will come, the war will get worse and unless you try to stop it, people will continue to die. I think it would be hard to look to the voters after the many civilian deaths the RP's misguided isolationist policies have caused. If you stop bringing the fight to them on their own land, they will be free to bring it to us...and I think we all agree that they will. For that reason alone I have to NOT support RP. I like his libertarian ideas, but I think his head is in the sand on the war issue.

Posted by: Sean Whelan | 2007-10-04 9:43:26 PM


ZOMG! TEH TERRORISTZ R COMMING 2 GET US! THROW LIBERTEEZ AT THEM UNTIL THEY GO AWAY!

Posted by: ahhhfreakout! | 2007-10-04 10:10:46 PM


GO RON PAUL!!! Climb the ladder all the way up to second place... that is the farthest up he will get, because he and his supporters are looooooooooooooosssssssseeerrrs...

Posted by: Rob | 2007-10-04 10:27:16 PM


"If you stop bringing the fight to them on their own land, they will be free to bring it to us".

Uhh... what? What exactly is stopping them from bringing it to you right now? Do you think all these bombings in Iraq are done by people who really wanted to bomb a target in the US, but somehow they couldn't because the US is occupying Iraq? How does having troops stationed in Iraq stop people from attacking inside the US?

If they did actually want to bomb/attack inside the US, having an occupying force in Iraq wouldn't make a damn bit of difference. Don't you think it's more likely that they are attacking the occupying force because it's the occupying force that they want to get rid of?

It's amazing how many people fall for the bullshit idea that "We are fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here". This implies that in order for the insurgents to attack inside the US they must first defeat the US forces in Iraq, as if it were a traditional battlefield with a 'front line' which must be penetrated before moving on - not so in this case.

Posted by: nzer | 2007-10-04 11:34:44 PM


The general leadership is in their native lands. As they are being hunted, it follows that communications will be more difficult and far less open. Herd to orcastrate large complex operations if you do not have open lines of cuminication.
The point is if you leave rat to breed, they will do exactly that...by wishing them to stop attacking and crying about them leaving us alone is not solving any problems...it is only exacerbating them. The crying left has made no suggestions on how to stop them, nor will they ever. They have made a big business of anti war propaganda with no solutions to the problems of why they attacked in the first place. Not one liberal has ever come out with a plan to stop the middle east terrorists...
And as for what is stopping them now...vigilance. The increased security and investigation tools has resulted in many arrests in the North America, and Europe. So maybe instead of crying and trying to argue about what is what you see as a problem, you can come up with a better solution. I, like many others, am very interested in hearing real solutions rather than rhetoric.
If you are prepared to lie down, belly up and beg for mercy, thats your choice. Dont worry, other brave men will step in front and protect you and your family.

Posted by: Sean Whelan | 2007-10-05 12:15:41 AM


Thank you Sean, I bestow upon u the title...

"Great Protector",

My address is 1060 West Addison Chicago, IL 60613, please save us from those dispickable snakes that live in the desert, they have kicked r ass 2 days in row.

It is a beautiful when I no longer have to think, because...

The Great Decider
The Great Debater
&
The Great Protector

have converged 2 provide me with the critical and analytical thinking skills I need 2 realize........I need Rudy.

Go Rudy Go,

Go Rudy Go,

Hey Military Industrial Complex what do ya say...logic and reason r gonna lose 2day....

Posted by: Steve Goodman | 2007-10-05 1:46:12 AM


Sean: I'm glad you mentioned the arrests in N.America and Europe - this is exactly what I was saying about how occupying Iraq doesn't do a damn bit of good to prevent attacks at home. Those attacks were stopped as you say, by vigilance, not by having troops overseas.

Posted by: nzer | 2007-10-05 1:54:12 AM


Protection requires both the use of a Sword and Shield, boys.

The Sword fights the foe in a forward position so that there are fewer left to get past the Shield.

Posted by: Speller | 2007-10-05 2:08:11 AM


Speller, you are implying that the insurgents in Iraq need to 'get past' the US troops there before they can get to the homeland. That is not true.

Posted by: nzer | 2007-10-05 2:21:56 AM


Adam Yoshida represents all that is evil with neo-conservatism.

Islam is not a problem, even if the religious dogma is not to my taste. All we have to do is stop/limit immigration to North America, kick out all illegal immigrants, and promote cultural assimilation and/or respect of the majority culture in Canada or the USA. Yoshida of course LOVES illegal immigrants (as do most neo-cons), or at the very least, turns a blind eye to it, because it benefits big business. And of course, like most neo-cons, would sacrifice his own country/family for Israel, if Tel Aviv demanded it.

We should also stop meddling in the affairs of middle eastern countries, and simply let them kill each other or whatever. We can kick their asses any time we want, but invading 98% majority muslim countries and not expecting blowback is very very stupid?? Does Adam want us to kill every muslim in the world (all 1.3 billion)? Perhaps in 1945 we should have killed all people of Japanese stock (which is what most Canadians and Americans in their heart probably wanted anyways). Evil, yes? But at least we wouldn't have people like Adam Yoshida around.

Posted by: William Smith | 2007-10-05 10:40:22 AM



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