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Monday, October 29, 2007
How to handle China
Despite threats from Beijing -- whose foreign policy pronouncements are still written in stiff Mao-era language -- Stephen Harper met with the Dalai Lama. Despite the recent meetings with the White House and Congress, it was still a bold move for Harper, considering the obsequious Canadian diplomatic tradition towards Communist China. I agree with the Post: Paul Martin's meeting with the Dalai Lama -- in secret, in a "neutral" location -- made the whole thing seem tawdry, in addition to cowardly.
Really, what could China do to Canada? Stop buying our oil? Or stop selling us a million cheap trinkets? Neither is particularly likely, nor troubling. According to these stats, China sells us five times as much as we sell them, and what we sell them are commodities. They should be careful that we don't impose sanctions on them, not vice versa.
Under Jean Chretien and Paul Martin, Canada acted as if China was doing us a favour in trade. At least that seemed to be the public rationale. The fact that Power Corp. and Canadian Steamship Lines, companies in which the Chretien and Martin families had significant ownership, had large, politically sensitive investments in China may have also been a factor.
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The Chinese have to save face by objecting to the meeting. They're not about to jeapordize relations with us. They just don't want to appear to be softening on their policy toward Tibet.
Posted by: dph | 2007-10-29 7:29:39 PM
What did Canada receive for our trade of the criminal Maurice Strong to China? Any first-round draft choices?
Posted by: obc | 2007-10-29 7:33:20 PM
In view of your accurate description of Canada's basic export products and Canada's cultural heritage, what on earth was the Trudeaux et al infatuation with the USSR and Cuba all about?
What did the Canadian people want from such interactions by your national leaders with the obviously "evil empire" (and the sweaty dictator) versus your friendly next door neighbors?
Did Canadians want to shift from the Commonwealth of Nations to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics?
Was it just a "cool" European type thing to do?
I knew it was going on at the time but I just never understood it or asked anybody from Canada to explain it to me.
Posted by: Conrad-USA | 2007-10-29 7:42:11 PM
The elitist Leftoids thought that they would elevate their nothingness into somethingness by being anti-American. They chose to ignore the pride Canadians felt in being an allied country to the greatest nation mankind has ever seen.
It's like that kid in grade school who recognizes that he will never be great by himself because his feelings of inadequacy, so he sets himself up as a "superior" being - and attempts to get other zeros to agree with him. Meantime, the truly superior run rungs around them while they chant their meaningless mantras and kumbaya songs while they dope up on reefer and harder drugs to eradicate the reality that they have become worthless through their wasted efforts.
Posted by: obc | 2007-10-29 7:50:04 PM
Posted by: dph | 2007-10-29 8:03:06 PM
It had to be a tiny group of "elite" (skinny shouldered) Leftists.
So how did those guys convince a nation with beautiful incalculable natural abundance and historic beautiful cities and spectacular water resources all set in a bracing climate that challenged big broad shouldered men to tame it, that they should bow to dictators?
Evidently the true spirit of Canada is far away from the cities where the girls and the bean counters (like me) rule. You need to restructure your government so that you have a Senate that jealously guards "Provincial Rights" and can thwart all of the city boys' "big ideas."
Posted by: Conrad-USA | 2007-10-29 8:15:46 PM
I hope you have a bit of time. PLEASE elaborate regarding what President Nixon did that had an adverse effect on Canada?
In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a HUGE Nixon fan.
Posted by: Conrad-USA | 2007-10-29 8:20:41 PM
Having a limited media completely in their back pocket didn't hurt Leftoid propaganda abilities either - plus a Leftoid teachers union that inculcates minds full of mush with class envy.
Posted by: obc | 2007-10-29 8:21:16 PM
The broad shouldered ones were too busy loading timber onto southbound trains to get involved in politics.
We never had a grassroots political movement in our history. The founders of our country were already professional politicians during the forming of the nation.
Though Trudeau was blamed for our current status of degeneration into a mosaic of non-connecting dots, Mulroney is to blame for our immigration mess. He may have meant well in trying to bring our workforce up to steam, but it's a bloody mess.
As for dealing with China? How should I know?
Posted by: dph | 2007-10-29 8:28:15 PM
Perhaps they'll punish us by increasing the lead content in our children's toys??? Just in time for Christmas!
Posted by: John Brown | 2007-10-29 8:30:34 PM
Don't tell me you are STILL buying anything made in China?
Posted by: obc | 2007-10-29 8:32:11 PM
For starters, the flood of draft dodgers into Canada didn't go over well with most Canadians. They were not well liked by the average Canadian. Trudeau's policy of accepting them was his only option considering his political stripe, so the blame was placed on US policy.
OBC mentions teacher's unions, which connects well to my recollection. Their were countless draft dodgers who became Canadian teachers in the 70's. I had at least 3 during high school.
Take a look at yourself and how you react to outsiders criticizing your president. We had the same attitude back then. We didn't all like Trudeau, but when guys like Nixon called him an asshole, we tended to rally behind him.
Don't forget Nixon's love of China. Back then you thought China was your newest best buddy. We had ping-pong at the Montreal olympics for christ's sake. Thank goodness you sent Sugar Ray Leonard up to keep things exciting.
Posted by: dph | 2007-10-29 8:42:33 PM
...hey speaking of Montreal Olympics, I was there!
Oh back to Nixon. The reason I think he went to Red China was it was a waking giant and he hoped to get them on the US side instead of Russia.
Keep your enemies closer type thing.
Posted by: tomax7 | 2007-10-29 8:53:59 PM
Why Nixon went to China:
Posted by: tomax7 | 2007-10-29 8:55:24 PM
Did you see Carmen Rinkey fight? What a ripoff. He should have gotten into the medals. I watched it on his cousin's TV, which barely survived.
Posted by: dph | 2007-10-29 9:03:18 PM
dph to pick up on the American draft dodgers, I have known a fair number of them through work and they were extremely anti-American and committed socialists. Were they like that prior to flooding Canada or did they become that way afterwards, I have no idea. They mostly seemed to get into rather important positions in education and government where they did great harm. I am not suggesting that we were without any leftist nutters without them nor that they are responsible for all our problems. I only mention it because I found them to be an interesting study.
I agree that the Chinese commies are doing their usual huffing and puffing in hope of intimidating us, but the fact is they need us (our resources and market) far more than we need them.
Posted by: Alain | 2007-10-29 10:02:43 PM
I seem to recall something about it, yeah if it is who I think it was, talk about a fixed fight. He should have won.
Interesting, I Googled Carmen Rinkey to read up on it and your post comes up #1. Talk about fast indexing!
Posted by: tomax7 | 2007-10-29 10:28:57 PM
Just like everything else that's going on these days, we also kiss their asses and treat them as special because they are not Americans they are not white and they are not Christian. Take your pick.
Posted by: John | 2007-10-29 10:31:58 PM
I can see China meeting with Gilles Duceppe and the Bloc Quebecois now to support Quebec sovereignty (or maybe even with First Nations leaders)... that will sure teach us!
Talk to right-wing U.S. republicans and they will say that the U.S. does not need Canada more than they need Canada. Using that same exact logic, how can we say Canada does not need China more than they need Canada? The truth is everyone loses when people oversimplify and think this way.
Posted by: AC | 2007-10-29 10:53:48 PM
Canada's relationship with China was cemented under Trudeau. A Canadian doctor, Norman Bethune was a hero to the Chi-coms for his humanitarian work during the Great March. Canadians love international recognition and if it shows independence of the US, even better. During the Trudeapian brainwash era, Bethune was elevated to cult status.
At the time Nixon called Trudeau an asshole, Diefenbaker was the leader of the opposition and rose in the House to say that "while the President lacked diplomacy when referring to the Prime Minister, he certainly knew his anatomy". This pretty much represented the feelings of Western Canada at the time.
As for the post topic, I think the next thing that Canada should do to China is re-establish diplomatic relations with Taiwan and attach a destroyer or frigate to which ever US Navy Carrier group is currently defending Taiwan. That would pretty well send Taliban Jack off the deep end.
Posted by: John Chittick | 2007-10-29 11:47:06 PM
Why would we worry about what China thinks about who we choose to meet with in this Democratic country? It's none of their bloody business.
China is supplying money and arms to the very terrorists our soldiers from the west are fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Has China listened to us on the issue of Human Rights abuses in their Country?
Maybe it's time we stop buying inferior and unsafe products and baubles coming from companies using cheap Chinese labor to make huge profits on the backs of consumers.
It's also time we stop sending them money.
They can keep Mo Strong however.
Posted by: LizJ | 2007-10-30 6:38:52 AM
Being ignorant is a blessing! It gives one a continuous feeling of discovery.
A couple of posters used the same terminology, reporting that Nixon (I claimed him as one of my heros early in this discussion) called Trudeaux an asshole.
What a wonderful surprise for me! I rarely get into arguments about Nixon anymore but now I have one more of his many accomplishments to report to his detractors. Thanks! : - )
I could think about and agree with and comment on each of the thoughts posted above for a long time. I really like and am moved by them all. The American draft dodger thing is particularly sad, and very believeable regarding the Leftist (and isolated cut off from family) poison that those guys would have delivered.
Back to the Canadian aspect of this, rather than the poisonous outsider influence.
The thought of "...feelings of inadequacy..." is such a horrible possibility. I recall as a kid visiting some family friends in Canada, and I liked the people all so much that toward the end of the visit I said to them what wonderful people I thought they all were and "...why don't you come and move down to America with us?" I was real shocked and naive (but back then I had the excuse of being just a child) and taken aback when this REALLY pissed off the man of the house. He only said that: "We like it up here." And I never really got to understand what I said that was wrong (I always needed things explained REAL clearly to me) or what it meant for a foreigner to just assume that people would move out of their country. I just thought that Canada and America were sort of the same place, just different sides of town, and I wanted to be closer to my friends.
I could go on and on (trying to make things "real" clear), but it seems I'm a bit off topic anyway.
I've always admired and liked Canada. And I sure do like Mr. Chitick's idea regarding Taiwan (another outfit I like a Hell of a lot, even without having ever visited).
Posted by: Conrad-USA | 2007-10-30 6:58:24 AM
Christmas is coming. Manic deluded hordes will be robotically buying crap to appease their brats for a year's worth of parental neglect and to ensure the spoiled little darlings do not lose face in the socio-material status wars of the school playground.
If you must participate in this ridiculous ritual, two things:
Don't buy Chinese.
If you cannot find an item that is not made in China THEN DON'T BUY IT!
Posted by: Epsilon | 2007-10-30 8:21:10 AM
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