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Friday, October 12, 2007

Don't Question Their Patriotism!

"Timing of genocide resolution questioned" is the headline of an article in Time Magazine on the Democratic House resolution about the Armenian genocide.  That's a mild way of putting it.  Why, you might ask, has this resolution come up now?  Time doesn't quite come out and say it - but I will.  This is a deliberate attempt to insult Turkey in order to cause a breach between the United States and that nation which will, in turn, undermine the ability of the United States to win in Iraq.  As I recall, there used to be a name for acts designed to give aid and comfort to the enemies of a nation.

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"there used to be a name for acts designed to give aid and comfort to the enemies of a nation."

. . . and it was quickly followed by execution.

Ah! The good old days.

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-12 2:29:48 PM

Some days it's enough to make you wish for a latter-day Octavian, Lepidus, and Antony.

Posted by: Adam Yoshida | 2007-10-12 2:31:15 PM

Time magazine gives their issues away free.

They tried to get me to take a no-obligation year long free subscription and I told them to keep it.

Not long after, they made Yasser Arafat 'Time Man of the Year'.

Well, Time did make Adolph Hitler 'Man of the Year' in 1938.

Some things never change.

Posted by: Speller | 2007-10-12 2:40:57 PM

George W. Bush for President
February 19, 2000

Mr. Edgar Hagopian
Mr. Vasken Setrakian

Dear Edgar and Vasken,

Thank you for your inquiry to my campaign regarding issues of concern to Armenian Americans.

The twentieth century was marred by wars of unimaginable brutality, mass murder and genocide. History records that the Armenians were the first people of the last century to have endured these cruelties. The Armenians were subjected to a genocidal campaign that defies comprehension and commands all decent people to remember and acknowledge the facts and lessons of an awful crime in a century of bloody crimes against humanity. If elected President, I would ensure that our nation properly recognizes the tragic suffering of the Armenian people.

The Armenian diaspora and the emergence of an independent Republic of Armenia stand as a testament to the resiliency of the Armenian people. In this new century, the United States must actively support the independence of all the nations of the Caucasus by promising the peaceful settlement of regional disputes and the economic development of the region. American assistance to Armenia to encourage the development of democracy, the rule of law and a tolerant open society is vital. It has my full support.

I am encouraged by recent discussions between the governments of Armenia and Azerbaijan. The United States should work actively to promote peace in the region and should be willing to serve as a mediator. But ultimately peace must be negotiated and sustained by the parties involved. Lasting peace can come only from agreements they judge to be in their best interests.

I appreciate the tremendous contribution of the Armenian community to the United States. The Armenian community has been and will continue to be a model of dedication to values of faith and family.


George W. Bush

"Abdullah Gul needed a favor. It was February 5 of this year, and the Turkish foreign minister was fighting a push in the U.S. House of Representatives to recognize the Turkish murder of over one million Armenians during World War I. In past years the House had placated Turkey by dropping similar resolutions. But now, with the American-Turkish alliance weakened by the Iraq war, the resolution had found renewed support. Gul summoned representatives from the Anti-Defamation League and several other Jewish-American organizations to his room at the Willard Hotel in Washington. There he asked them, in essence, to perpetuate Turkey’s denial of genocide.

Soon after the meeting with Gul, the ADL joined three other American Jewish organizations—the American Jewish Committee, B'nai Brith International, and the Jewish Institute of National Security Affairs—to deliver to Congress a written plea from the Jews of Turkey that the U.S. not recognize the Armenian Genocide. Turkish Jews are more vulnerable now than at any time in recent history as they struggle to reassert their place in a society polarized by the competing visions of Turkey’s Islamists and secular nationalists, so it is hardly surprising that they would parrot their government’s denialist claims. By dutifully passing their letter to Congress, the Jewish American groups cynically exploited a small, frightened Jewish minority.

Worse was to come. “I don't think congressional action will help reconcile the issue. The resolution takes a position; it comes to a judgment,” said Foxman in a statement issued to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency. “The Turks and Armenians need to revisit their past. The Jewish community shouldn't be the arbiter of that history, nor should the U.S. Congress." Foxman‘s statement is in every way that matters equivalent to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s claim that he takes no position on the historicity of the Jewish Holocaust, but only hopes to see the matter resolved by dispassionate study."

by Joey Kurtzman

Is it really about the war in Iraq?

Posted by: DJ | 2007-10-12 4:24:22 PM

Those damn JOOOOOOS! All 14 million of them run this entire planet - population 6 billion.

Even my grandparents and grandchildren are all in on it.

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-12 4:27:16 PM

Why in the world would such a resolution be voted now?

See the movie from Aaron Russo
America, From Freedom to Facism

It stinks. Are we so far from the situation that prevailed in 1935 Germany?

Posted by: Rémi Houle | 2007-10-12 6:27:54 PM

DJ. everything in your post is speculation. it can be perceived as a Congress/Jewish security pact. and it can be perceived as the U.S. staying neutral in the affairs of a nation which isn't an immediate nor perceived threat.

an opinion is valid when one bases one's theory on evidence and hard facts.

an opinion is not valid when one bases one's theory on opinion and theory.
when one does this, one enters the realm of subjectivity.

give me something to work with here, and maybe i'll agree with you. i want objectivity, not opinion.

Posted by: shel | 2007-10-12 9:15:56 PM


It's not about Jews and Congress despite the wailings of the Stalinistas, "where the opposition must be eliminated entirely, even to the point of labeling their opinions as "hate speech" in order to legally silence them - or to totally discredit them personally, rather than argue with their salient points of view." It's about Foxman's hypocrisy. He rants and raves about human rights but for years he and his brethren at the ADL practiced holocaust denial. Why, because Turkey is an ally of Israel, which is all the ADL cares about, which is fine, but stop the bullshit about vulnerable Jewish groups in Turkey or that Turkey is a marvellous US ally. The US was able to invade Iraq in 2003 without Turkish assistance, so what's changed now?

Posted by: DJ | 2007-10-12 11:32:30 PM

I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, I do feel for the justice of the Armenian cause, and until Turkey recognizes how it was once involved in such an atrocity, the nation will never truly be part of the civilized world.

On the other hand, the Middle East is volative right now, and real lives are already at stake. In a region with few stabilizing influences, the Turkish army can be one of those influences.
This is th eworst possible time to pick a fight with Turkey over something that happened a century ago.

Posted by: Darryl | 2007-10-13 12:59:06 AM

Rep. Lantos is a Holocaust survior. Perhaps he simply has a hightened sensitivity to genocide, and the need to combat denial, than does that vulgar hack, Yoshi.

Posted by: JoeCitizen | 2007-10-13 1:14:25 AM

Nice try Jc ~

When ignorant of the facts - namecall. I assume from that you are a Leftoid.

A similar resolution was passed in the 1980's - and another in the 1990's. Is it required to pass one every decade?

Or is it a case of the Failure-at-any-price DemoRats to get Turkey to stop supporting the US efforts in Iraq so that they can re-gain power in 2008?

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-13 6:14:18 AM

"there used to be a name for acts designed to give aid and comfort to the enemies of a nation."

They USED to call them traitors.

I prefer to STILL call them traitors.

Traitors are people, who through directr or indirect action, by doing or not stopping, or not facilitating, cause your own people, those who stand for what your nation stands for--to die.


Posted by: Lady | 2007-10-13 12:03:44 PM

Filmmaker's Unprecedented Look at Abortion Debate



Posted by: SM | 2007-10-13 2:07:17 PM

Well, look where the refugees from Africa are fleeing and see the reaction of the Muslims:

"Egyptian police open fire on refugees trying to cross into Israel"

Egyptian police opened fire Saturday on a group of 10 African immigrants trying to illegally cross into Israel and arrested four of them, a Sinai security official said.

The other six managed to cross into Israel, said the official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media. It was not know if any of the six had been injured by the gunfire.

The four who were arrested were all Eritrean and told authorities that the six who crossed included three people from Eritrea, one from Sudan and another from the Ivory Coast.

THEY WERE FREE ALREADY in Egypt, so why didn't they want to remain there? HMMM? And the Egyptians opened fire on them - not for the first time either. Last month, they killed 4 of them right at the Israeli border as they tried to enter the only democracy in the area.

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-13 7:27:49 PM

And al-Reuters outs a freedom fighter:

"Cubans go to unusual lengths to post blogs"

Reuters, by steban Israel

When 32-year-old Yoani Sanchez wants to update her blog about daily life in Cuba, she dresses like a tourist and strides confidently into a Havana hotel, greeting the staff in German. That is because Cubans like Sanchez are not authorized to use hotel Internet connections, which are reserved for foreigners.

Brilliant. In the full article, al-Reuters gave her full name, where she lived, and even posted a photo of her. That should help the Cuban secret police.

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-13 8:02:27 PM

Here's an update to two posts ago, and another interesting piece of news follows the update:

"Seven refugees have been detained after entering Israel, including one mortally wounded by gunshot to the head."

So the Egyptians murdered a refugee from Africa again! I'm sure the UN Security Council will convene in emergency session like they do when Israel does something like this:

"Palestinian Authority forces shoot dead two Palestinians, including 5-year-old boy"

Palestinian Authority security forces shot dead two Palestinians on Saturday, including a five-year-old boy, in the West Bank city of Qalqilyah.

According to local resident, security forces opened fire after a 22-year-old man refused to stop at a PA roadblock in the city. The 22-year-old man was killed, as was five-year-old Yazid Obid.

BUT WHEN ISRAEL ACTS the same way in self defense when the shootees might be bomb-laden terrorists, the world screams bloody murder!

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-13 8:17:53 PM

This part of General Sanchez' speech was not reported - but there is NO MEDIA BIAS, right, Leftoids???

"Sanchez: Media's Reporting of Iraq War Endangered Soldiers' Lives"

WASHINGTON — The former top commander of coalition forces in Iraq may have called U.S. efforts there catastrophically flawed and unrealistically optimistic, but much of the criticism of the media by Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez has been left unreported.

In his speech to the Military Reporters and Editors Association in Washington, D.C., on Friday, Sanchez accused reporters of "unscrupulous reporting, solely focused on supporting an agenda and preconceived notions of the U.S. military."

Without naming a specific company, Sanchez said "parent media organizations" have political agendas that direct the news coverage of the war and in some cases put U.S. service members in deadly situations.

"What is clear to me is that you are perpetuating the corrosive partisan politics that is destroying our country and killing our service members who are at war. My assessment is that your profession, to some, has strayed from these ethical standards and allowed external agendas to manipulate what the American public sees on TV, reads in newspapers and what they see on the Web," Sanchez said.

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-14 2:57:17 PM

I avoided this Post initially because it seemed too "American" on a Canadian site, and I "knew" that I'd just end up ranting about how much I hate the Democrat Party, etc.

But on reading DJ and obc and shel and Darrly et al it seems the very essence of the necessity for the Iraq phase of the War on Terrorism (yes, I'd like it called the War on Islamo-Fascism too, but we'd miss the North Koreans and the Russian-Chinese Communist backers-agitators).

For every thousand years of history in that part of the world there are innumerable horrific never to forget attrocities to be settled or revenged.

OBVIOUSLY, the three tribe Iraqis are the "perfect" laboratory for "manufacturing" democratic minority rights respecting self government, out of that chaos. They have everything; oil resources, big talented population, farm land, ocean transport access, etc.

Those people can either "make it" together or we need to write off the entire Islamic segment of the population of earth.

Poking a thumb in Turkey's eye is a screw up, but progress NOW by the Iraqi people to settle their basic governmental functioning issues is the main problem. Then perhaps the Iraqi central government can tell it's Kurdish minority to stay the Hell out of Turkey's hair, etc.

Posted by: Conrad-USA | 2007-10-14 4:08:18 PM


You know I agree with you--it is the bias that come through the journalists writings--as if Israelis were from Mars or some other galaxy.

But I have to say something. You said "So the Egyptians murdered a refugee from Africa again!"

Egypt is in Africa. We forget that--but when we remember that--it explains everything.

Given the Arab domination in Egypt, and the fact that Coptic Egyptians--the ones who used to rule Egypt and who are decendents of Pharoah are and have fled for their lives (many are Catholic) it is no wonder why, in most people's minds, Egypt is not considered outright to be a part of Africa anymore.

That should come as a certain relief to Egyptians, who might be surprised and gladdenned that the take-over has finally worked.

Hmm, like Newfoundland and Labrador is not a part of North America--hahahaha!

//switch the sarcasm switch off honey!

Posted by: Lady | 2007-10-15 12:14:18 AM

Look what Lieberal-backed company is screwing Canadians! No surprise really:

"Bombardier tells U.S. dealer to stop selling to Canucks"

No more buying rec vehicles with hot loonie

Ron Thompson says he wasn't protected from Americans heading north to buy when the greenback was strong. A Grand Forks snowmobile dealer said he's been ordered by Quebec-based Bombardier Recreational Products Inc. to stop selling snow machines, ATVs and watercraft to Canadians who are looking to take advantage of the rising value of the Canadian dollar.

Ron Thompson, owner of Gateway Sports in Grand Forks, said over the course of the past two weeks Bombardier -- which manufacturers the popular Ski-Doo and Sea-Doo vehicles -- ordered him to impose a surcharge to Canadians of several thousand dollars on sales, and ultimately to not make any sales at all.

"Canadians want to buy a Canadian product but I'm not allowed to sell it to them," Thompson said. "I had more than 35 calls from Canadians last week and another 10 calls this week," adding he had to turn those inquiries away.

Thompson said Canadians can save several thousands of dollars on the purchase of a snow machine. The Renegade X 800 model sells for $10,000 at his shop, he said, adding it would go for $13,000 to $14,000 in Winnipeg.

Thompson said Bombardier's standard policy had been for its dealers to impose a 7.5 per cent surcharge on all sales to Canadians. Then two weeks ago, Bombardier altered the surcharge fee to 7.5 per cent or $1,250, whichever is greater. Last week, Bombardier imposed a $3,000 surcharge on sales. And earlier this week, Thompson said a Bombardier representative told him not to sell to Canadians at all.

"They said it's to protect the Canadian dealers but when the Canadian dollar (was at 70 cents) and Americans were going north to make their purchases, nobody was protecting my interests," Thompson said.

Thompson said Bombardier will void the warranty on any craft purchased by a Canadian in the United States -- even if the purchase was initially made by an American -- and it has threatened to cancel dealership arrangements with dealers who sell to Canadians.

"I'm paying $5,000 a month interest on the inventory I have but I'm not allowed to sell to Canadians who are trying to save some money," Thompson said. "It's just not right."

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-15 7:43:01 AM

I'm still waiting for the resolutions that condemn Mao for the killing of millions of Chinese, Stalin for the starvation of millions of Ukrainians the millions murdered in the gulags, the Cambodian killing fields, for Castro's & Che's slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent Cubans, Vietnam's killing of close to 2 million non-communists -

Hmmmmm. What do all these countries have in common that Turkey does not??????? THEY ARE ALL SOULMATES OF THE LEFTOID DEMORATS, THAT'S WHAT!

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-15 8:37:12 AM

This is the reason for this resolution - to ensure that US military success in Iraq is thwarted by these Leftists:

"Al Qaeda Dealt Devastating Blow in Iraq"

The U.S. military says it has dealt devastating and potentially irreversible blows to Al Qaeda in Iraq in recent months, leading some generals to advocate a declaration of victory over the group, which the Bush administration has long described as the most lethal U.S. adversary in Iraq, the Washington Post reported Monday.

But as the White House and its military commanders plan the next phase of the war, other officials have cautioned against taking what they see as a premature step that could create strategic and political difficulties for the United States, the newspaper said. Such a declaration could fuel criticism that the Iraq conflict has become a civil war in which U.S. combat forces should not be involved. Simultaneously, the intelligence community, and some military members, worry about underestimating an enemy that has shown surprising resilience in the past.

"I think it would be premature at this point," a senior intelligence official said to the Washington Post of a victory declaration over AQI, as the group is known. Despite recent U.S. gains, he said, AQI retains "the ability for surprise and for catastrophic attacks." Earlier periods of optimism, such as immediately following the June 2006 death of AQI founder Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi in a U.S. air raid, not only proved unfounded but were followed by expanded operations by the militant organization, the Post reported.

There is widespread agreement that AQI has suffered major blows over the past three months. Indications cited include a sharp drop in suicide bombings, the group's signature attack, from more than 60 in January to around 30 a month since July, said the Washington Post. Captures and interrogations of AQI leaders over the summer had what a senior military intelligence official called a "cascade effect," leading to other killings and captures. The flow of foreign fighters through Syria into Iraq has also diminished.

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-15 9:06:18 AM

NO BLOOD FOR OIL!!! Unless your name is Hillary Rotten Clinton:

Mrs. Blood for Oil
Opinion Journal/WSJ, by James Taranto

Original Article

Posted By:cap MarineTet68, 10/15/2007 4:47:58 PM

Consider the following reasons why America might consider military action against Iran: * To save Israel from nuclear annihilation. * To prevent a nuclear arms race between Iran and neighboring Arab regimes. * * To topple Tehran's repressive, theocratic regime. * To protect America's oil supplies. Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton advocated talks to settle differences with Iran but said Saturday that Tehran would invite U.S. action if it were to disrupt oil supplies.

SHE SAID THAT??? Where are the Leftoid protests in the streets???

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-15 4:34:36 PM

"They have everything; oil resources, big talented population, farm land, ocean transport access, etc."

Not everything, Conrad. They lack "non-kinship based forms of reciprocity."

"Over time, individualistic social structures encouraged the emergence in England of the common law of property and contract and, later still, the emergence of impersonal corporate forms of business enterprise, all requiring cooperation between strangers. The distinctive culture that emerged from the interaction between the genotype of the English people and their environment can be understood as what Richard Dawkins calls an extended phenotype. [31] Like the spider's web or the beaver's dam, the, extended phenotypes of Western civilization are part of a biocultural feedback loop linking our genes with our environment over countless generations. [32]

The extended phenotype produced by the English people founds its greatest political expression in the phenomenon of nationhood. Appearing first of all in England, the idea of the nation could be understood as what Richard Dawkins might call a "meme" [33] that has been only imperfectly or not at all replicated in the bioculture of other, particularly non-European, races."

Prof. Drew Fraser.

This group has not evolved the concept of nationhood founded upon non-kinship based forms of reciprocity. Democracy is impossible there.

Posted by: DJ | 2007-10-15 4:56:56 PM

DJ -

Thanks for your insights, but I think you are too pessimistic and narrow in your characterization of individual human beings.

I would agree with the dicotomy you draw, if it was characterized or phrased in a more updated or hopeful language of "Traditional Society" versus "Modern Society." Studied in this way I think it is easier for us to each see elements of the "traditional" within ourselves, just as we see (and generally approve of) the "modern" within ourselves and our nations.

I'm just a human so of course I'm prejudiced in my anecdotal judgments. I think of Italian people, even Italian descent people, as basically traditional society type people. Often very quick tempered ("passionate" is the upside, but murderous is "out there" too, from my experience) and often rigidly "unfair" in their judgements of right versus wrong, or who is guilty and who should go free, etc.

Yet Italy has a tremendous history of highly developed modern culture and Italian descent people have contributed remarkably at the highest levels of modern governments in (your favorite) England and elsewhere.

My point is that we each have it within us, even if we are heavily traditionalist people immersed in traditional society to interact fairly and honestly with strangers. That is, if it is THE LAW of the land.

We are engaged in this horribly difficult "experiment" in government in Iraq not to see how many of our own we can get slaughtered but to plant the seed and grow the visible plant and get a few good harvests from the tree of liberty from within the midst of the desert - the Arab desert.

We must stick with it until it works.

Posted by: Conrad-USA | 2007-10-18 11:22:24 AM

"We must stick with it until it works."


You can force muskrats or otters to live with beavers for a hundred years and they will never build a dam.

I's not pessimism. It's the reality of evolution.

Posted by: DJ | 2007-10-18 1:10:37 PM

Racism 101 - taught by Professor DJ.

Posted by: obc | 2007-10-18 1:16:20 PM

DJ -

I use hyperbole and every other device to capture attention and persuade. But a basic belief in the dignity of humanity, individual human beings particularly the spiritual spark of life, is really necessary to confront social societal problems. Basically, I think a religious perspective or grounding is essential in order for us to be optimistic or even positive.

I've noted your insights as always valuable (and often criticized - but I seemed to have missed the "sin" you must have committed), but I do recognize that you are fatalistic and thus probably not a person with a religious Faith. I don't know and it isn't my business.

I find it difficult in my dealings "in Canada" (i.e. on this blog) to find so many folks seem to be Atheist, and that usually seems to lead to the Leftist philosophies. But in Canada I encounter "many" who profess an Atheistic philosophy adopt the Libertarian view.

The most powerful engine for freedom, fairness and "good government" in my experience is Faith, as superior to "reason." I appreciate all the help I can get from the Libertarians to fight big government but I find their views sadly wanting on every other question.

Thanks for regularly providing intelligent insights and bringing factual matter to bear on the questions under consideration.

Posted by: Conrad-USA | 2007-10-18 1:33:48 PM

Faith is not unreasonable, can be arrived at by reason, and fills the gaps that reason alone can never fill.
In short, Faith and reason need not have a dichotomy, but Faith IS superior to reason alone and reason alone does not engender the faith to act rightly.

Posted by: Speller | 2007-10-18 2:16:16 PM


Dr. James Watson, recently under attack for his "sins", suggested that;

"There is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so."

Being positive and optimistic is one thing. However, denying reality, and tyrannically oppressing those who speak it, is something entirely different.

It begets the question, does a basic belief in human dignity exclude acknowledgment of human differences?

Islam is a powerful engine of Faith, however, in Western terms, it does not provide "good" government. Their beliefs also trump "reason". Yet it is not a guarantee that "good government" will follow. Why? Like the spider and the beaver, humans are different.

Posted by: DJ | 2007-10-18 3:00:31 PM

>"Like the spider and the beaver, humans are different."

Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals, except for the weasel.
-Homer Simpson

Posted by: Speller | 2007-10-18 3:13:10 PM

DJ -

I'm actually an educated ("highly") person but I've really had to learn most (important) things from blunt brut experience of life. I still have a lot to learn about everything but I no longer harbor foolish ideas about the limitations of my fellow men.

There is tremendous good and potential in even the least among us, far more potential than the best of us have ever achieved.

Posted by: Conrad-USA | 2007-10-18 5:25:05 PM

"John is white. He is married with two children. He wears a blue collar when he leaves his shabby, inner-city house to go to work. Life has been a struggle for John, but now he faces his most difficult challenge. John's neighborhood is turning black.

In John's city, neighborhoods do not integrate, they go black. He has seen it happen elsewhere. He knows what to expect. John and his family will soon face intolerable hardships. They will have to move. Inevitably the last whites able to leave, will. High among their reasons will be fear -- fear of becoming victims of violent crime. As his neighborhood turns black, John and his family will notice many changes, but none will be more dreaded than the prospect of being violently victimized."

However, John will not leave his neighborhood because he has tremendous faith in the good and potential of his black neighbours.

"The best and most complete evidence comes from the Justice Department. Its annual National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) canvasses a representative sample of about 80,000 Americans, from roughly 43,000 households. From this survey, a picture of crime is painted by its victims. The last full report of the NCVS was issued in 1994. From it we learn that blacks committed 1,600,951 violent crimes against whites. In the same year, whites committed 165,345 such offenses against blacks. Despite being only 13 percent of the population, blacks committed more than 90 percent of the violent interracial crime. Less than 15 percent of these had robbery as a motive. The rest were assaults and rapes."

Foolish ideas indeed. :)

Posted by: DJ | 2007-10-18 7:33:35 PM

The (Canadian born female) Governor of Michigan developed a "major" initiative in the recent past to address the utter disasterous disappearance of the formerly major huge prosperous City of Detroit.

She called her initiative: "Cool Cities."

The notion was (I forgot to mention that the Governor is a Democrat) that Michigan cities needed to be "cool" (or "with it" or "happening").

GOVERNMENT exists for the purpose of law enforcement locally and national defense globally.

If the Governor of Michigan brought forward an initiative named: "Safe Cities" it would serve all people equally.

DJ -

If there was NO CRIME to report in those terrible statistics which you cite, what would you expect to result regarding your fictional "John" and his family?

My guess is that he would be indifferent to whether the population moving in was Asian or Black or Italian. He would fell discomfort because of change.

One thing about black people in America, you know damned well that they are actual citizens!

I start off liking that a lot!

Posted by: Conrad-USA | 2007-10-19 12:21:51 PM


One slight correction on the nature of the ancient Christian Church in Egypt.

It is Orthodox Christian based in Alexandria under Pope Shenadou III, one of the five original members of the Pentarchy, of which Roman Catholicism is one branch.


Posted by: set you free | 2007-10-19 1:01:31 PM

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