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Wednesday, September 19, 2007

Seeking more allies for the mission

Canadian and Dutch governments are asking other NATO members to step up to the plate and increase their activities in the volatile southern Afghanistan:

It's shameful that NATO countries such as Germany and France are not doing enough to help us in southern Afghanistan while most casualties are from Canada, US, UK and Netherlands. It makes me wonder if old European countries such as Germany and France care to help at all.

Posted by Winston on September 19, 2007 in Canadian Politics, International Affairs, Military | Permalink

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Apparently they don't care to help...

Or they would have by now.

As much as I despised Mr. Chretien, he was right on this issue.

Posted by: Paul | 2007-09-19 8:32:46 PM


Obviously, German politicians have had enough of war and France has always been the free rider of NATO- willing to profit by selling weapons and materielle. They are concerned with what they see as their domestic problems.

Posted by: DML | 2007-09-19 10:14:36 PM


Correct me if I am wrong, but from what I have read the Dutch are not really doing much either.

Posted by: Alain | 2007-09-19 11:15:23 PM


Alain,

Dutch are doing a good job AFAIK. Moreover, only the English speaking countries like Australia, US, Canada, UK are prime fighting forces in the South. And I think the Dutch were there in the first wave of US led invasion along with UK and Australia. The Dutch forces were there before Canada.

Posted by: Winston | 2007-09-20 12:08:28 AM


Is this a posting from "Old Winston" ?

You remind me of our wonderful former public servant, Donald Rumsfeld, when he made a speech, probably somewhere in Europe, wherein he referred to "Old Europe" (the gutless group) versus "New Europe" (the nations recently released from Communist Soviet captivity).

In response to his supposed "surprise" at the screams and cries of those with tender and now hurt feelings (aka "Old Europe"), wonderful Mr. Rumsfeld offered a disclaimer saying: "That was Old Rumsfeld."

You're doin' good, Winston. Keep it up.

Posted by: Conrad-USA | 2007-09-20 10:55:19 AM


The Germans have a huge anti war and anti American sentiment to deal with at home on their political front, as do the French.

Unfortunately they have already lost the war to the Muslim extremists, and can't get their heads up out of their politics long enough to see that in spite of personal likes and dislikes the entire Western world is in this together.

The Afghanistan action had world support, but the world doesn't care to finish things or deal with the problem there.

No matter, it is landing on their own doorsteps with increasing regularity.

Either they will wake up or they will yeild to the growing Muslim population, and either way they aren't going to be any kind of help at all.

Not that they ever have been.

Posted by: canadian freedoms fan | 2007-09-20 10:56:10 AM


Remove all US troops from Germany now! 60 years is enough! Let Germany take care of its own defences!

And the money - hundreds of millions - spent annually by the US Army can be distributed to Iraq & Afghanistan. No need to prop up Old Europe's economy with this thankless money.

Posted by: obc | 2007-09-20 11:26:41 AM


A football analogy for the Canadian mission:

Suppose you are on a football team playing in a close game. Some members of your team aren't exactly playing hard, increasing the chance that the team will lose. Do you then decide to dog it too, or do you keep playing as hard as you can, still working for the win? And increasing the chance that you'll be injured.

It all depends on your attitude.

Mark
Ottawa

Posted by: Mark Collins | 2007-09-20 1:53:30 PM


A difficult analogy Mark. It seems to me that if we dog it we invite the enemy to pursue his cause with greater vigor. We either have to convince our allies who are not contributing sufficiently to contribute more or we have to do the best we can until we win or are forced to withdraw.

Posted by: DML | 2007-09-21 11:00:30 PM


If Citizens of our NATO Allies are unfortunate enough to have access to Most Canadian national media they would be convinced that most Canadians do not support the NATO mission in Afghanistan
particularly when exposed to the outright lies published in the Globe and Mail and the Toronto (Red) Star-Canadian Media has been hi-jacked by the lefties and their companions in the Editorial rooms of the print Media and in Bell Media CTV. Good but depressing example in today's Globe and Mail focused of the alleged but unproven "disappearance" of some fifty or so Taliban murderers and maimers. The response from the left wing intellectuals was predictable because they are always the people who appear to take any opportunity to stick it to PM Stephen Harper and his New Conservative Government, who despite the left wing Media looks to us as political veterans of the wars in the polls that he can form a majority Government in Canada without the help of the infested and disgusting crime capital of Canada Toronto and GTA - by gaining seats in places like New Brunswick, Newfoundland and PEI
plus a few on mainland Nova Scotia. We boycott the Globe -nobody in Monckton buys the Red Star in any event -too many pages for the garbage collectors
-all Union guys who determine what in fact is "garbage" But they take our disgarded "vote Liberal Signs" anyway. Harper needs hard edged letters to the editor in user friendly newspapers
and in non Bell Media and CBC television. Macleod

Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2007-09-22 3:11:06 PM


Mark Collins makes a very good point -we were discussing the possibility of creating a Canadian
Military "Foreign Legion" focused on Soldiers and
Airmen and Women -recruited in the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Poland and possibly the Ukraine-we
have undertaken projects in each of those Countries
and have been impressed with them for decades -
Northern Ireland (home of the Wild Geese) professional mercenaries would fit neatly into such an idea. -Reward, after minimum 10 12 years service
special Canadian Citizenship (defining veteran military service) that in actual fact is how the British created Nova Scotia and later New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island -General Amherst and General Montcalm both utilized Mercenaries -Amherst conquered French North America with them as well as Madagascar -in Ireland they retain great affection of their "Wild Geese" abitrators of continental Wars - MacLeod

Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2007-09-22 3:31:59 PM


Harper has to call the press and all media on their misleading reporting and manipulation.
It's just that serious, we are not a Banana Republic. The Media are the Liberals' fifth column and poised to take down a duly elected government in this Democratic country. The sheer arrogance of the likes of Don Newman and Press Gallery Prigs is a prime example. They think they know how the country should be run and we, the electorate got it wrong.

Well, we the electorate have had about enough of them! They neither speak for us or to us, we're onto them, they're irrelevant.

Posted by: LizJ | 2007-09-22 3:41:59 PM


Harper has to call the press and all media on their misleading reporting and manipulation.
It's just that serious, we are not a Banana Republic. The Media are the Liberals' fifth column and poised to take down a duly elected government in this Democratic country. The sheer arrogance of the likes of Don Newman and Press Gallery Prigs is a prime example. They think they know how the country should be run and we, the electorate got it wrong.

Well, we the electorate have had about enough of them! They neither speak for us or to us, we're onto them, they're irrelevant.

Posted by: LizJ | 2007-09-22 3:49:34 PM



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