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Thursday, August 30, 2007

The dominant dominion of 'deniers'

An exhaustive survey of scientific papers has concluded that less than half of all scientists support the "consensus" theory of man-made global warming.

Why isn't this page-one news around the world?

Let us hope that Drudge's link to the story sparks worldwide interest. And a re-evaluation of expensive, wasteful and ultimately destructive government policies.

Posted by Terry O'Neill on August 30, 2007 in Science | Permalink


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The shrillness of the extreme position which prophets of the Environmental Hysteria Movement have used to promote the Global Warming portion of their eco-religion has put their government supporters right up there sitting on the same pole as the Enviro-nuts themselves.

It is too extreme, too high of a position to climb down from with dignity and they will therefore not climb down at all.

We shall have to use a chainsaw to cut the pole down with them still sitting on top.

I don't pity Stephen Harper or Ed Stelmach.

Posted by: Speller | 2007-08-30 9:00:28 AM

Well Terry, the way I see it is that MSM's information sponge across the world has been inseminated by the Gore's and Suzuki's of the world, gave birth to and nurtured the "human caused global warming" monster.

Considering that the UN is heavily involved doubly reinforces the questionability of "man is the cause of GW" issue.
The UN is proving itsself to be a questionable entity.

Giving it (GW) a divergent viewpoint and questioning its facticity however might help restore the gravitas of worldwide MSM.

Barring taking that path, reinforces MSM agenda driven output.

The internet is chipping away at any misinformation agenda, however incrementally.

Some of us clearly recall in the mid-seventies about an impending mini-ice age doom and gloom scenario in major magazines etc.

Same scare bullshit from different ( scientist) sources only this time it's about heat, not cold being pumped, again by MSM.

Posted by: Joe Molnar | 2007-08-30 9:38:31 AM

This is political spin on steroids. 7% explicitly said that global warming is man-made. Another 38% implicitly said that, for a total of 45%. Then another 48% said nothing either way to indicate support or lack of support for the view, for a total of 93%. Now that leaves 6% that explicitly rejected the view. (Yes, this only adds to 99% due to rounding to the nearest percentage.) It makes as much sense to count the 48% that say nothing as endorsers as it does to call them deniers, so by the logic being used to get a "majority" of "deniers" we also get that 93.9% (496 of 528 papers) are "supporters". But that is nonsense. You can't count someone as either a denier or supporter if they say nothing either way.

Now as to WHY 48% say nothing either way, you have to understand academia (not political spinmeistering) to know this. In most academic papers, especially in sciences, the research work being discussed is of a very specific nature. So it might be about how factor X affects Y in some particular place at some particular time. It goes well beyond the scope of most studies to draw global conclusions. But the accumulation of such studies leads to those conclusions. It is only people with a political agenda who would expect a specific research study to step beyond the limitations of any one report to say "so that shows that global warming is/is not real".

Asher also says (with suitably ALARMING italics), "only a single one makes any reference to climate change leading to catastrophic results." This also makes sense, since studies generally are quite specific, so such global conclusions could not come from most of them individually. He either does not understand science or is lying to make political hay.

The fact remains that before the politically motivated hoards (or is that whores?) started trying to infect scientific research with their politics (1993-2003), 100% of studies published pointed to the reality of man-made global warming. Even Asher admits this. And now, the political invaders have only managed to push that number up to 6%. The consensus is still a consensus, no matter what fairy tails cement-headed conservatives want to believe.

Posted by: Dr. Science | 2007-08-30 9:43:29 AM

"Then another 48% said nothing either way to indicate support or lack of support for the view"

Yes - they take no position to protect their jobs and livelihoods because they know if they speak out, they will be in jeopardy. Just like the chief environmentalist in Oregon was fired this summer because he expressed his dissenting opinion.

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-30 9:50:31 AM

As a footnote, further investigation shows that some of the "studies" counted as global warming denial were authored by Chinese scientists on the payroll of the PRC. Given that China has a strong vested interest in convincing the world to get off their back about the amount of environmental damage their further industrialization and development will cause, this hardly seems to be objective science in action.

Who would have thunk it! Communist China's self-serving lies being used by western conservatives to support their agenda! Politics DOES make strange bedfellows. Although in this case, it's hard to tell who is the "top" and who is the "bottom".

Posted by: Dr. Science | 2007-08-30 10:04:44 AM

Dr. Science:

When did you legally change your name from Dr. Desparation?

Posted by: set you free | 2007-08-30 10:26:23 AM

Me thinks dr. science is really dr. science fiction. Rubbish will remain rubbish no matter how you try to spin it.

Yeah real science. We still cannot accurately and consistently forecast the weather for the next 5 days or less, but we can with a straight face try to sell such junk science. Please.

Posted by: Alain | 2007-08-30 11:33:17 AM

As I have said before, no amount of science can justify Kyoto.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2007-08-30 11:58:50 AM


Kyoto Ugly


Posted by: John | 2007-08-30 12:51:28 PM

Cute, John!

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-30 12:54:44 PM

I wonder if the Greens and Greenpeacers realize that when the liebral/ndp party excluded Ontario's auto industry from Kyoto, their continued support placed them in the pocket of big business. How blind could they be? Yet they accuse Albertans of this. Sad.

Worse, the Liebral/Dipper Alliance is only using Kyoto to get re-elected. Given the impossibility of implementing it as written (reducing emissions to 1990 levels by 2012) it only serves as a political tool. If they tried to implement as is, they would ruin the economy and their political fortunes. Not even dumping the costs on to Alberta would save them.

If GW is a truly serious problem that has to be tackled (I admit that this is one big IF) then Kyoto has to go. It is an obstacle now, not a solution.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2007-08-30 12:59:57 PM

Zeb ~

"GM confirms 1,200 jobs to be cut at Ontario plant"

CTV.ca News Staff

General Motors of Canada Ltd. has confirmed that it is cutting 1,200 jobs this January at a truck plant in Oshawa due to slumping pickup sales.

The company will axe one shift of production of the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra pickup trucks.

THERE ARE fewer & fewer jobs to protect in the North American auto industry. Unions are killing themselves with high salaries & benefits and shoddy workmanship. Toyota is now #1 with good reason.

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-30 1:03:56 PM

A thought I have today:

During the summer Arctic melt, the amount of land that is connected to the icecap reaches the point (around northern Greenland) whereby a brisk breeze completely dislodges the cap from its land connection.

Now it is free-floating. A stiff breeze in the right direction could blow the entire icecap into the North Atlantic out between Greenland and Norway.

As it progressed into soutern latitudes it would melt quite quickly. But wouldn't it be disruptive! Imagine it crashing into the Eastern seaboard.

Please advise all the Global Warming enthusiasts of this coming disaster. I want to observe the panic and hand-wringing.


Posted by: Epsilon | 2007-08-30 1:24:35 PM

obc: the Fraser Report released its study of worker productivity in the 10 provinces and 50 states. Alberta was NUMBER ONE! Saskatchewan was #10.


Ontario was 21, described by the author as "notable only for being so average. Of particular concern is Ontario's relatively low rate of private sector job growth and relatively high unemployment."

Quebec was 41. The lowest was Mississippi.

It just goes to show what capitalism and freedom really can do.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2007-08-30 1:36:33 PM


With the same tone as your last post.

You can go a step farther, and Email them the iceberg evidence.

And at the same time, you can Email it to the islamofacists, and tell them "Iceberg, Goldberg, what's the difference?"

Actually that's the punch line of a...nevermind....hehehe!

Posted by: Lady | 2007-08-30 2:41:49 PM

Buzz Hargrove, the Canadian Auto Workers Union head thug was just on the news. He blames Flaherty
for the lay-offs! As if the Finance Minister can control what GM does!
I used to live in a GM city where virtually all the economy was predicated on how GM performed. It was a mess. Neighbours, whom I otherwise liked were, believe me,absolutely blind to what they were creating.Never have a seen a bunch of people that felt they were entitled to their entitlements more than they. The worm turns and they are now paying for their outrageous demands.
Looks good on them.

Posted by: atric | 2007-08-30 3:47:54 PM

One of my favourite jokes too!

My other favourite is how do you know when an Asian gang has broken into your home?
The cat's gone and all the homework's done!


Posted by: Epsilon | 2007-08-30 4:16:41 PM

Speaking of euthanasia ~

I don't give a rat's behind about Chinese boy scouts! :)

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-30 4:32:04 PM

The icecap story would make a great hoax news release.

I would do it but I am afeared!

I can see all these bespectacled, bearded and odiferous greenpiercers running about an panic screaming, "Get out, get out! The house is on fyah!"

Chaos ensues, little girls start crying, old ladies fret and knead their hands.

I, I, I just can't do it!


Posted by: Epsilon | 2007-08-30 4:36:44 PM

I work in a job where I get to drive rental cars a lot, usually Edm to Calgary, and points around N. Alberta. I rent all makes, depending on what the Driving Force has that particular day. I have to say, I have nothing whatsoever bad to say about the GM products, car or truck. Nor against the Toyota, or the Chrysler Charger, for that matter. There is a very nice crop of autos out there nowadays to choose from.

So, I think that GM is being f**ked in the court of public opinion because they had to play catch-up for a few years after Toyota et al. came in with product that North Americans wanted.

Now they have to work their asses off, against a significant handicap [their union situation], as well they should, to maintain/improve quality in the brutally competetive world of auto manufacturing. For the customer, it makes for a lot of real nice iron out there on the road to drive.

Posted by: DCM | 2007-08-30 5:15:32 PM

I have my Honda and I love it! VERY reliable car.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2007-08-30 5:51:20 PM


Honda and Acura driver.

Unfortunately, the Ontario auto workers are being caught in the Canadian petro dollar updraft.

When the Canbuck was at 68 cents, the wages were competitive. Now that it's at 94 cents, only the top-quality product factories will survive.

Hey, my man. Now that you're in the US, can you check up one thing for me.

The other day, I went to my Honda dealer and enquired about the Honda Fit.

Sports model, five-speed stick, the full-meal deal.

Asking price $20,800.

Went home and looked up honda.com and the price for the same car is $15,100. Is that about right where you now live?

Here's the real problem.

Thanks to the oil patch, the purchasing power of the average Canadian just went up just under 30% and since there's a free market for cars in North America ... hey, a guy's gotta put food on his table and if the car is $5,700 cheaper in the States than it is here, guess where I'm buying my next car?

Posted by: set you free | 2007-08-30 6:34:00 PM

SYF: hmm, will you be buying a car in the US? Just a guess. Even with the GST, you'd be saving a bundle.

My local Honda dealership doesn't give prices. Honda America says $15,270. So it should be in that range.

But how dare you place your common sense and own needs above that of the corporate agenda of Ontario! Those auto workers have to pay for their cottages, their kids' expensive US college educations, and their third/fourth cars! Oh yeah, right.

The high dollar has made my move down here very affordable. Right now I have about 20% of my original budget left over. If it was 68 cents, I wouldn't have a lot to go on. With a little bit of what I have left, I'm thinking of buying an HDTV and a Blu-ray player for Christmas.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2007-08-30 7:07:20 PM

And here's another example of union thugs & their sympathizers behaving as expected:

"Garbage dumped on lawn of Vancouver councillor"

CTV.ca News Staff

Two people upset with Vancouver's ongoing garbage strike took matters into their own hands Thursday, and spilled trash outside the home of a city councillor.

"I looked out the window to see two individuals in black hoodies dumping garbage on my front lawn," Councillor Kim Capri told CTV British Columbia.

She joked that the strongest language she could muster was: "Hey, that's not very nice!" But it worked, and the pair ran off.

Capri isn't the first politician targeted by pranksters fed up with the six-week old strike.

Last Friday, trash was strewn outside the condominium building of Mayor Sam Sullivan. Now, he's angry that one of his councillors was targeted.

He called the littering an attempt at "intimidation" that could fuel further acts against politicians.

Vancouver's Anti-Poverty Committee has taken responsibility for both incidents and said it was acting in solidarity with striking outside workers.

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-30 7:15:09 PM

Would the union members consider cross-border shopping to help make ends meet?

Since the rise in value of the Canadian dollar, there should be plenty of bargains an hour's drive south of Vancouver.

Posted by: set you free | 2007-08-30 7:30:52 PM

Yes - Washington State, where union leaders may go for compensated health care which they wrote into their contracts so they would not have to be served by other union members in Canada's health system - with no waiting in line for that care like they would have to do in Canada.

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-30 7:38:59 PM

Tsk, tsk.

Such hypocricy.

No need to lower ourselves to name-calling, though. Their actions speak for themselves.

Posted by: set you free | 2007-08-30 7:47:15 PM

This study was meant to counter earlier papers ab out consensus; however the author has already admitted that his methodology tainted his conclusions. Time to move on, nothing to see here.

Posted by: Shamrock | 2007-08-31 12:30:01 PM

Climate change still needs academic review. However, when using Drudge as a source makes you look like a Conservative hack, Mr. O'Neill.

Posted by: Edmontonian | 2007-08-31 9:06:54 PM

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