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Thursday, August 16, 2007

See no evil

So, you're supposedly a peaceful, law-abiding Muslim-Canadian who knows full well that your religion is viewed with growing suspicion because of the deadly actions of radicalized fellow adherents.

So, what do you do when a group of young Muslim men, who only months before had seemed rather normal, start showing up at your Mississauga mosque wearing combat fatigues? Do you call police? Do you call your MP? Do you call CSIS? Well, according to a new report from the New York City Police Department, on the home-grown radicalization of Muslims, you do nothing -- leaving the group free to hatch its plans to storm Parliament and behead the prime minister.

I've got some advice to the mom-and-pop worshippers at the Mississauga mosque: If you want to persuade Canadians that Islam is, as you say, a religion of peace, then the next time you see a gang of obviously radicalized young men growing like a cancer in your congregation, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

Here's the National Post's story on the report; here's the full text of the NYPD's document. The passage about the complacent (complicit?) Mississauga mosque is on page 42.

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When the time comes and the inevitable question of ‘Choose Allah or choose death' comes as it has in much of Europe and the Middle East for the past 1400 years, I will have no hesitation.

I would rather die a physical death than live in a spiritual death.

Many so-called moderate Muslims are voting with their feet in northern Africa and the Middle East and embracing the real religion of peace.

Posted by: set you free | 2007-08-16 10:35:48 AM


set~

"I would rather die a physical death than live in a spiritual death."

Arm yourself - let them die a physical death.

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-16 10:51:33 AM


ahhhh Patton! Is that a bugle echoing in the mists?

Epsi

Posted by: Epsilon | 2007-08-16 11:13:42 AM


Now that you metioned Patton, try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyUX6wV1lBQ

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-16 11:17:45 AM


NY PD Rudi's Task Force will have special plans for these fools in NYC after 9/11 - jeez some will find themselves in Raghead Paradise which is getting filled up with suicide bomber particles and torn rags - MacLeod

Posted by: Jack MacLeod | 2007-08-16 11:20:41 AM


NY PD Rudi's Task Force will have special plans for these fools in NYC after 9/11 - jeez some will find themselves in Raghead Paradise which is getting filled up with suicide bomber particles and torn rags - MacLeod

Posted by: Jack MacLeod | 2007-08-16 11:21:00 AM


It is the ones who start the chain that should carry the greatest responsibility. In Canada the law that is used to try them should bew the law against treason and the penalty should be imprisonment for life.

Posted by: DML | 2007-08-16 11:30:13 AM


Muslims realize that their suicide bombers and terrorists have given the community enormous political power in a very short period of time - they are not about to give up that power.

Western countries are bending over backwards to please Muslims with each new terror plot uncovered, there is no downside for the Muslim community so why would they want terrorism to stop?

Posted by: philanthropist | 2007-08-16 11:38:54 AM


phil:

How do you know what Muslims realize?

They may be fooling the politicians and the courts, but much of the citizenry is well ahead of them on this issue.

Power lies in the ballot box.

Posted by: set you free | 2007-08-16 11:42:32 AM


Some power does lie in the ballot box and if you can get an ethnic block voting in a particular way, you can override a silent majority. In a country with several major parties, it only takes about 35% of the popualar vote to form a government. The demographics will dictate the future.

Posted by: DML | 2007-08-16 11:50:19 AM


It's looking more and more like the Muslims are smarter tha we are in that, they know how to fight us. We don't know how to fight them.

Guess who might just win in the long term?

The terror war will eventually happen on the streets of Canada even though half of us have already surrendered.

It might be a good idea to loosen up gun laws and start teaching Canadians how to fight the inevitable war we are in. It will spread everywhere, it already has. Half of us deny it and the OBC's of our society are chomping at the bit to do something about it with the other half.

I am with OBC. We need to start doing something, our politicians are too stupid, cowardly or fear the wrath of the Leftist voters who are the majority in Canada.

After all that has gone down and all we know about Islam and how horrid their violent religion is and how horrible they treat women and children. Christ, they even hate dogs. These people are sub human and they need to be gotten rid of.

I love what our society used to be, generous, inquisitive, proud, righteous, caring, friendly, and most of all ... free. All these things are on the wane. It's getting uglier here by the day.

Posted by: John | 2007-08-16 12:12:49 PM


Our friend ROGER would claim you are over-reacting and there is no threat from the Muslim population at large.

Of course, he is correct on that point.

It is a small group which perform crimes against humanity and make is safe for the larger group to occupy territory.

Darfur, Indonesia and other places like that also are undergoing this invasion. That gives lie to the claim they've been activated by America and Israel.

As Steyn points out, what is there to be afraid of with cheeseburger imperialism? Is that the real cause of the murderous rampages?

I doubt it. What the west has to do is stop the indoctrination of the young Muslims into jihadists and do it in an aggressive, yet non-violent way.

In some ways, those who advocate violence are lowering themselves to the standards of the neo-Mohammedan jihadists.

Posted by: set you free | 2007-08-16 12:27:23 PM


I saw a group of Hells Angels riding down the street the other day. I didn't call the police to report this possibly criminal gang. I'm a law abiding motorcyclist. Does my non-calling make me just as bad as the biker gangs? Does my not calling prove that all bikers are gangsters?

If those same Hell's Angels showed up to worship at your Sunday church service, would you call the cops? Would it implicate all of Christianity if you didn't?

Get a grip, man. Your white sheet is showing.

Posted by: Enabler | 2007-08-16 12:42:05 PM


Our politicians are so megalomaniacal in their lust to retain or gain power (all sides) that they pander to our mortal enemies for their votes and support. What folly.

Imagine political power meaning so much to you that you would sell out your own country -- perhaps even the very lives of your children and grandchildren -- to retain it, consolidate it, expand it.

Enabler, when there is a Muslim sword at your throat, my white sheet will look like your last hope for life and liberty. It will make sense to you when it is too late.

Posted by: John | 2007-08-16 12:50:55 PM


Talkin' to me, name-caller?

Posted by: set you free | 2007-08-16 12:54:15 PM


Enabler,

There is a difference between The Hell's Angels and islamofacists.

Hell's Angels operate with their own attire.

islamofacists are camoflaged by average clothing--most of the time.

Hell's Angels do not advocate terrorism, or confuse what they do with freedom fighting. They know what they are, and have named themselves according to their beliefs. Their name is no euphemism for what they are.

And if you saw them doing a crime, and did nothing, you could be charged as an accessory after the fact.

I bet the sheer sight of them, made you call out for Epsilon, so she could come and change your nappies.

Posted by: Lady | 2007-08-16 1:03:00 PM


Not to undercut the gravity of being aware in a post 9/11 world but this is really over the top.

Last time I liked wearing "cammies" was not illegal...other wise a lot of teens would be in jail.

Let's stay focused and rational in dealing with potential terror threats and not be jumping at every damn shadow we see....I don't intend to live in a paranoid gulag of a society just because some muzzie has his nose out of joint about the US.

Hype like this Post piece isn't making the nation any stronger or freer.

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux | 2007-08-16 1:10:00 PM


The issue is not about wearing "cammies" or white sheets. The issue is why are non-Europeans, practicing a non-European religion here in Canada. There would be no concern about terrorism if Islam and its practitioners were not here.

What benefit is derived from this mass migration of non-Europeans? Poverty by postal code? Balkanization? Depressed wages? Congestion? Pollution? How does it strengthen the country if Toronto and Vancouver become Sao Paulo and Bombay?

”Your number of immigrants should not exceed your capacity to welcome them and integrate them, otherwise they create ghettos” - Mario Dumont ...

Posted by: DJ | 2007-08-16 1:34:29 PM


Love the human race.

Posted by: set you free | 2007-08-16 3:18:07 PM


Can anyone give me one good reason why we should allow one more Muslim to immigrate to our country? I didn't think so.

Stop Muslim immigration now and start deporting all Muslim terrorists, sympathizers, enablers, financers and supporters, ie. the vast majority of Canada's (and every other Western nation's) Muslim population.

Inviting these ultraviolent, hateful barbarians into our country was a colossal mistake. Let's correct this mistake before it's too late.

Posted by: JP | 2007-08-16 3:46:13 PM


JP~

AGREED!

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-16 3:53:36 PM


...umm, reverse issue, like a hole in the dam, how does one correct this mistake?

Bail the reservoir out? Till some none PC leadership shows up and till lawyers and judicial system get a concious.

Umm.

Mop anyone?

Posted by: tomax7 | 2007-08-16 3:59:59 PM


So we get mad at another group when we fall down on the job. We don't procreate and wind up needing immigrants to support us and the economy. Then we wind up blaming them for our own greed, selfishness and stupidity. We should take a look in the mirror. The enemy is us.

Posted by: DML | 2007-08-16 4:01:13 PM


PC being Political Correct. Still think Progessive Conservatives.

Geeze, they've even hijacked initials.

conscious

Posted by: tomax7 | 2007-08-16 4:01:19 PM


DML, true to a point. But who brought us here? Is there a defining moment in Canadian history that turned towards the quagmire we are presently stuck in?

Yes there is a defining moment. Had a oil company named after him - PETRO Canada.

Posted by: tomax7 | 2007-08-16 4:04:36 PM


DML,
I couldn't disagree with you more about us "needing immigrants to support us and the economy". We don't need immigrants at all. Look at Japan and South Korea, two First World nations doing very well for themselves with below replacement birthrates and ZERO net immigration. Immigrants have been a major drain on our economy since the early 1980s, according to Don Drummond, VP of TD Canada Trust, among many others. Mass Third World immigration, since it first began only 40 years ago, has been an unmitigated disaster for Canada and the rest of the Western world. It needs to be stopped before we become yet one more failed, Third World society like the ones our new immigrants fled from, and are trying to transplant on Canadian soil.

Posted by: JP | 2007-08-16 4:48:10 PM


If we do open our doors, let's welcome immigrants from India, Taiwan, Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Romania, and Russia - no more Muslim terrorists, if you please.

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-16 4:54:22 PM


DJ,
I completely agree with your above post, and I'm happy to see that you quoted Mario Dumont, who's quickly become the leading mainstream opponent of mass immigration and multiculturalism in our country. Let's see if any of our "leaders" in English Canada can work up the courage to parrot him.

Posted by: JP | 2007-08-16 4:58:35 PM


obc,
Did your billboard get any more media attention?

Posted by: JP | 2007-08-16 5:04:04 PM


OBC, what are you saying? Welcome more Air India terrorists, bring to Canada the Chechyan or the Russian Mafia? Let's have lots of Gypsies?

I'm shocked.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-08-16 5:12:18 PM


I'm on live tonight with Mr. Smith on CKNW in Vancouver - 8:30 p.m. local time.

Thanks for asking.

BTW, I've received 449 positive emails & 4 negative ones (VERY condescending in tone). That sounds like a consensus to me - according to Al Gore game rules.

Also, a good number of the emails offered financial support. I suggested they take the money - average $100 - and find 29 friends to chip in a similar amount - and get their own home-town billboards. It would be lovely if every city in Canada had such a billboard.

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-16 5:14:00 PM


marilyn~

Even Italian refugees are checked for Mafia (like union thugs) connections. Background checks should still be in place for ALL immigrants.

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-16 5:16:46 PM


Here's another example of media bias in a headline:

"Chavez Foes Rally Against Reform"
al-Associated Press, by FABIOLA SANCHEZ


CARACAS, Venezuela - Opponents of President Hugo Chavez vowed Thursday to block his plans to radically overhaul the constitution, warning the changes would give him unlimited power and cripple democracy in Venezuela. Some of the more sweeping constitutional reforms proposed by Chavez Wednesday night would extend presidential terms from six to seven years and eliminate current limits on his re-election.


"Rally against reform"? Should be "rally against communist takeover", but that's the al-AP for you.
Or even, ''Rally Against tyranny.''

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-16 5:32:51 PM


obc,
449 to 4 sounds like some pretty positive feedback to me. Individual initiative, like what you've done, is the foundation of our Western way of life. Good on you bro, and keep us posted about anything billboard-related.

Posted by: JP | 2007-08-16 5:43:42 PM


a picture is worth a thousand words:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/gallery.htm

Posted by: andré | 2007-08-16 5:47:20 PM


Now that you mention it, I saw a billboard today for Telus. :)

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-16 5:47:58 PM


munroe,
I'm shocked too, shocked that I agree with your above post. But of course you're being facetious, right? You really would want more Indian terrorists, Russian and Chechen mafiosi, and Gypsies allowed into Canada, wouldn't you? To further enrich our cultural diversity, no doubt.

Posted by: JP | 2007-08-16 5:51:26 PM


JP~

. . . as long as they join thug unions and vote Dipper.

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-16 5:54:58 PM


OBC, on 'nw? I checked and there is no "OBC" on NW tonight or has there ever been. All I can think is you either the nutcases Green or Alder and your "polls" merely reflect the limited audience for your programme.

I polled my best 10 friends and 100% think you should be jailed or deported. I' sure I can get a petitin with thousands (if they have actually listened).

You're outed OBC you're the guy that just lost a premium place on radio to a (somewhat) more reasonable host.

Put it out in public - you get paid to make foolish statements. You are not an old retired codger. You live in MANITOBA.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-08-16 6:01:00 PM


marilyn's gone over the deep end. :)

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-16 6:08:04 PM


No, OBC - You're outed.............

Posted by: a refit | 2007-08-16 6:09:01 PM


Saying so don't make it so.

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-16 6:12:37 PM


Tomax- I agree with the reference to PT but would also look at abortion on demand and the sexual revolution. JP- Did Japan and Korea ever accept the massive Ponzi schemes that keep our young indebted to our retired people? If we can find the immigrants from the backgrounds that can contribute positively to Canada but like Mario Dumont I don't want them in numbers greater than we can provide infrastructure for. We also have to find a way to rate and integrate their skill sets.

Posted by: DML | 2007-08-16 9:31:58 PM


To those loud-mouthed radio interview "deniers", I just completed a half hour with Michael Smith in B.C. on CKNW.


So there!

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-16 10:01:12 PM


C'mon munroe

We know you don't have 10 friends. Let us try to stay honest here.

Posted by: missing link | 2007-08-16 11:01:49 PM


Here is a quote from an interesting read by Glenn Greenwald that applies well to this piece:

"Every now and then, it is worth noting that substantial portions of the right-wing political movement in the United States — the Pajamas Media/right-wing-blogosphere/Fox News/Michelle Malkin/Rush-Limbaugh-listener strain — actually believe that Islamists are going to take over the U.S. and impose sharia law on all of us. And then we will have to be Muslims and “our women” will be forced into burkas and there will be no more music or gay bars or churches or blogs. This is an actual fear that they have — not a theoretical fear but one that is pressing, urgent, at the forefront of their worldview.

And their key political beliefs — from Iraq to Iran to executive power and surveillance theories at home — are animated by the belief that all of this is going to happen. The Republican presidential primary is, for much of the “base,” a search for who will be the toughest and strongest in protecting us from the Islamic invasion — a term that is not figurative or symbolic, but literal: the formidable effort by Islamic radicals to invade the U.S. and take over our institutions and dismantle our government and force us to submit to Islamic rule or else be killed."

It seems like a lot of righties on this site believe this myth. This is why I advocate reading multiple news sources from the left, centre, and right. The phrase, "Reality has a liberal bias", does hold true in many cases. Since Righties/Conservatives have to create their own reality, in order to block out reality so that they can continue to have faith in their leaders. I could go on about Bob Altermeyer's 50 years of research on Authoritarians and their followers but then a lot of you won't read my comment lol.

Posted by: Edmontonian | 2007-08-16 11:09:18 PM


Ed: Your point is? ...You don't think millions of Islamists would love to do us "westerners"/ sorry non islamists, harm and are attempting that all over the world?

Can you not read, and are you blind?

Posted by: MarkAlta | 2007-08-17 1:49:20 AM


I am more convinced that whatever actions they do are based on Politics and not their Religion. I should not have posted the second paragraph in the quote but the first paragraph still applies. My point is that there is a trend among Right-tilted sites about Islamo-fascists taking over the world through their evil and demonic ways. Do you really think that 9/11 happened because they supposedly hate Western freedoms?

On my second point: Reality has a Liberal Bias. I mean that Conservative sites like TWS are created in response to challenge the perceived Liberal bias of Canadian media, when reporting stories. Instead of providing a better and more unbiased version of the media they tend to make their own media with an explicit bias.

In response to MA, I can read and I am not blind. From all of the research and sources I have checked I have come to the conclusion that this Islamo-fascist threat, is just a lame excuse to continue the War of Terror.

Posted by: Edmontonian | 2007-08-17 2:45:51 AM


...dang missed ya obc. Is there a rerun?

Posted by: tomax7 | 2007-08-17 6:40:09 AM


Interesting interview about pro-Muslim books used in US Public Schools.

http://tommclaughlin.blogspot.com/

Posted by: tomax7 | 2007-08-17 6:56:36 AM


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