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Saturday, August 18, 2007

Render unto Vancouver City Hall

The city government of Vancouver, Shotgun readers may remember from my recent post, has asked Tenth Avenue Alliance Church to obtain a city permit and follow various regulations before  being  allowed to have emergency shelter and feed the poor programs in their church.

Well, local Christian, Jewish Muslim and Sikh leaders, fearing an ominous precedent for the rest of Canada should any level of government define what a "church" is and what a "church" can or cannot do, have formally asked local politicians to drop this policy.

Their press conference announcing their protest is featured in this story  on page one of today's Vancouver Sun.

Vancouver does ostensibly have a "right-of-center" majority on city council. It will be interesting to see what they do now.

Posted by Rick Hiebert on August 18, 2007 in Religion | Permalink


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The current politicos hate the poor, their benefactors, their own employees and anyone with less then a 6 figure income.

When people and institutions like churches do good works, it confuses the NPA who revert to their normal face.

The problem in Vancouver is a lack of a ward system that keeps money in power. Otherwise issues with charity could be negotiated without the NIMBYism of the rich. Issues, like labour contracts would also be settled without strikes and "clubs" in the rich areas accepting garbage.

I'd suggest we take all the rich folk and give them a gated and secure community - on US territory in Cuba.....

Posted by: munroe | 2007-08-18 4:33:22 PM

Religious people do have a duty to care for the poor and I applaud them for that. The problem comes if they try to evangelize as the price for that assistance. The only evangelization that would meet with my approval is to provide an example of what good living is about. That is the way that Christ went about his ministry. Would the city council tell Christ to preach and do nothing else? His example of service would then go for nought.

Posted by: DML | 2007-08-18 9:26:29 PM

So marilyn - now that you've been proven a fabricator & liar once again, how dare you show your face here?!?

Did you miss the radio interview on CKNW? Or are you to ashamed to admit you were wrong or lying?

marilyn has scampered off with his tail between his legs – coward that he is. He's not man enough to admit he was wrong, nor man enough to apologize either. Typical Leftoid behaviour!


Posted by: obc | 2007-08-19 6:46:34 AM

And to add to the garbage piling up in Vancouver, due to greedy union thugs, China - exempt from Kyoto - is adding to the problem thusly:

"Pollution tracker targets Island fallout from China"

Research could fill gap in gauging global journey of toxins
Rob Shaw, Times Colonist

Harmful pesticides, pollutants and other chemicals from Asia may be landing on Vancouver Island as they float to the Arctic, says a professor at Royal Roads University.

Matt Dodd, head of the school's environmental science program, wants to install 20 specialized air-pollutant monitoring stations to see what levels of persistent organic pollutants and PCBs -- polychlorinated biphenyls -- register on the southern Island.

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-19 8:41:19 AM

You may be right but I do not see the Vancouver municipal government as centre, much less slightly right of centre. I base my judgement on the types of by-laws they produce.

They are out of line on this one. Also DML I must disagree that they should not be allowed to evangelise. They are offering charity and a person is free to accept it or not. I would be extremely surprised that at the same time they should make conversion a condition to qualify for aid and assistance.

Posted by: Alain | 2007-08-19 12:49:43 PM

Alain ~

Oh, yaeh. They'll soon make you watch An Inconvenient Truth before you are eligible for ANY benefits - like they do in schools today.

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-19 2:02:45 PM

obc - by they I assume you mean city hall rather than the religious organisations.

Posted by: Alain | 2007-08-19 3:26:27 PM

Of course!

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-19 4:26:34 PM

We should be aware there is a continuous battle going on. So we have to keep fighting to bring back the bible and christianity in schools.

Posted by: Rémi Houle | 2007-08-19 4:36:28 PM

Remi ~

"BBC forced to removed 'bastard' slur about Jesus from its website"


The BBC has been forced to remove statements from its website referring to Jesus as a 'bastard'.

It is the latest in a string of offensive comments that BBC editors have allowed members of the public to post.

The remarks have been allowed to remain for weeks, despite complaints from religious groups.

It has led to claims that the BBC is allowing its output to be hijacked by extremists while censoring anti-Muslim sentiment.

The remarks about Jesus were left as part of a discussion of the death of the Archbishop of Paris.

The debate had descended into an argument about the merits of Christians, Jews and Muslims when a writer, known as 'colonelartist', posted: "Are you a christian? You do know that jesus had to hide all his short life he lived in those promised land because his tribesmen used to call him fatherless, ridiculed him for being a B-A-S-T-A-R-D...'

He added: "Jesus...was also persecuted because the jews would never accept as their Messiah a person whose father was missing...'

The comments were allowed to remain for a week despite complaints. But after The Mail on Sunday contacted senior BBC officials, they were deleted.

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-19 4:42:36 PM

...ah Vancouver. Ask me if I miss that place...

Posted by: tomax7 | 2007-08-19 5:53:22 PM

Alain- I never asked that evangelization be banned or outlawed. I simply implied that I don't approve of it as a condition for charity. I commend to you a Jesuit missionary in Nepal. His name is Father Abraham (from Nova Scotia). He has been there for forty years that I know of and does not try to convert. He sets the right example and ministers. He has worked wonders teaching the people self-sufficiency and economic sustainability.
Perhaps the way to handle the proselytising of the Wahhabists in Toronto is to set up alternative religious booths right next to theirs, hand out bibles and talk to those who come forward in a reasoned and loving way. Competition is good but you better know your faith and have some strength nearby to protect you.

Posted by: DML | 2007-08-19 10:03:43 PM

Thanks DML for the clarification. I agree with you there.

Posted by: Alain | 2007-08-20 5:50:07 PM



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