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Thursday, August 02, 2007

Public Service No. 1

51pesvhcvl_ss500_ Toronto Star: Exposé makes lawyer Public Enemy No. 1 on Philip Slayton's Lawyers Gone Bad: Money, Sex and Madness in Canada's Legal Profession:

"Inside, Slayton highlights some of the key themes in his book: unethical business practices, bill padding and a lack of regulation."

Actually, the Star appears to have used the wrong headline. Public enemy? Lawyers, in this situation, are not the public. They are the special interest being exposed. Sounds like Slayton's doing the public a service, though I haven't read the book. At any rate, after I read the criticisms of the various bar associations, the one line that came to mind  is "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." Busted.

Posted by Kevin Steel on August 2, 2007 in Books | Permalink


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"a lack of regulation"

Now there's something that can be fixed!

Posted by: Conrad-USA | 2007-08-02 11:40:42 AM

Fixed - yeah, that's the ticket - like dogs are fixed. That should drastically reduce the number of acts of malfeasance by these scum. Or at least reduce their offspring who likely would follow in their father's footsteps.

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-02 11:50:30 AM

"... the one line that came to mind is "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." Busted."

Hmmm. Gertrude says this during the play-within-the-play in Hamlet in response to Hamlet asking how she liked it (which portrayed a wife declaring faithfulness to her husband). By saying these words, Gertrude exposes HERSELF as the guilty one. Kevin is thus saying thathe, Kevin Steel, is the one who is busted.

Posted by: murray | 2007-08-02 2:55:33 PM

Murray; You got me there. . . more than you realize. At one point in my youth, before I discovered beer, I flirted with the idea of studying law and going into politics. Unfortunately, the beer relegated me down to the world's third most hated profession, journalism.

Posted by: Kevin Steel | 2007-08-02 3:21:50 PM


Beer - or law. Beer - or law. Beer - or law.

How long did it take you to decide?

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-02 4:07:11 PM

You want healthcare fixed?

Do to lawyers what lawyers did to doctors.

Free one-tier legal assistance for everyone.

Wills, criminal, divorce and family, house-buying, civil suits, etc.

It's an idea whose time has come. Especially given explosion of rules, regulations, and nuisance by-laws that have devoured our lives. I'm sure I'm breaking all kinds of infractions just sitting here typing this.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-08-02 4:37:04 PM

h20 ~

Great idea! I just love it. But how do you get this enacted - in view of all the lawyers in Parliament?

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-02 4:46:26 PM

Too bad, Kevin, the beer trumped your journalistic talents. Be worried though. After the Western Standard blog, there is no further to fall...

Posted by: munroe | 2007-08-02 5:23:35 PM

It should be a civil right to have free legal care. Let's start a petition. Surely, we can get leftists to sign up for it. They think the criminals should be set free.

If our society can find a way to allow criminals to vote, surely we can get those criminals to vote for this. WIN WIN!

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-08-02 5:37:16 PM

"Too bad, Kevin, the beer trumped your journalistic talents. Be worried though. After the Western Standard blog, there is no further to fall..."

But Munroe hangs around anyway. No other blog will have him, I guess.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-08-02 5:38:17 PM

LOL! I think you nailed it, h20.

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-02 6:07:56 PM

We welcome bottom-feeders of all types, especially those who admit they troll the bottom, like munroe.

Posted by: set you free | 2007-08-02 6:18:07 PM

Q: How can you tell if a lawyer is well hung?

A: You can't get a finger between the rope and his neck!

Q: What's the difference between a dead dog in the road and a dead lawyer in the road?

A: There are skid marks in front of the dog.

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux | 2007-08-03 7:56:11 AM

This looks like the closest thread to post a query. I didn't want to miss the Western Standard float in the Vancouver Gay Pride parade this weekend. Anyone have a picture? How will I be able to recognize which participant is H2, Syf and OBC?

Your help is appreciated...

Posted by: munroe | 2007-08-03 10:18:51 AM


Sorry, can't make it bottom-feeder.

I'll be busy with healthy heterosexual activity.

Posted by: set you free | 2007-08-03 10:23:39 AM

I'm sure Ezra can arrange for a prominent portrait of you, syf.... just remember, quaffing tequila is neither healthy nor solely heterosexual.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-08-03 10:32:45 AM


You are quite free to make your own choices.

Posted by: set you free | 2007-08-03 10:35:35 AM


Too much spare time on your hands? Here's something you may consider.

Organize a Gay Pride Parade in Baghdad.

Posted by: set you free | 2007-08-03 10:40:57 AM

Speaking of parades, don't forget Toronto's huge
Caribana parade is this weekend. Brothers and Sisters from all over North America attend this gala event. Anyone want to speculate on how many people get hit with gunshots during this festival?

Posted by: atric | 2007-08-03 10:52:20 AM

With everyone else headed to Teheran with Winston's Brigade it wouldn't be much fun. I'd worry you wouldn't even show - not much tequila in Baghdad outside of the Green Zone, that is.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-08-03 10:52:41 AM


I have plenty of tequila in my liquor cabined and have a close relationship with cacti.

Here, I figured you were more into peyote.

Posted by: set you free | 2007-08-03 11:03:07 AM


And why would you want to mention that parade?

Look, duffus, just because gay people have the same rights as anyone else in Canada, does not mean that the majority of people in Canada, are going to suddenly go through a change in sexual orientation, and hang out with a bunch of exhibitionists!

And just because gay people have the same rights, does not mean they do not have the same duties.

And no matter what, the majority of people in Canada are still NOT gay, and are not interested in being gay. I know, that that must hurt your feelings so very much, but it is a fact. Most people, no matter how open minded they may be about people who have a sexual orientation that prefers the same sex, are actually repulsed by the idea. Fact is, this repulsion may have something to do with the reason why there are humans in the first place!

I have met a few gay men who have been repulsed by heterosexuality--so I concluded that the feeling was mutual. So, for the sake of people getting along peacefully, it is not in the best interests of people like yourself, to go waving the gay banner around, and sticking it into people's faces, when all you do is make other people sick, by your disrespectful behaviour!

After all, there is no such thing as a heterosexual parade--where heterosexuality is embraced, and naked men and women parade around, so why would you insist that everyone embrace your gay parade, when the very thought makes us reach for Pepto!

And lastly, although I do believe that gay people have the same rights to peace and safety as everyone else, I am not interested in seeing their genitals waving around in the open. There are private places for that. Still, when you advertise the location, I will go out of my way, to not have to go anywhere near a parade, so you and your gay friends can have a gay old time together!

So, since I won't piss on your parade, you should return the politeness, and stop pissing on everyone else's!

Then again, that would mean you would be required to be polite--which is not of your nature.

Have fun being nude in the sun, and leave the sunscreen at home! Oh, right, you won't be able to carry it around, while naked!

Posted by: Lady | 2007-08-03 11:12:50 AM

Lady, all I asked about was the Western Standard float. Still no answer. Sounds to me like the Lady doth protest too much....

Posted by: munroe | 2007-08-03 11:21:19 AM


I don't believe your disrespectful tone of voice deserves a response.

And regarding the amount of protest--my right and duty as a person!

But of course, you would be the first to leap at the side of the taliban, while they remove all the natural rights of women around the world, and stuff them into their bedrooms, while tearing off their genitalia--CREEP!

Posted by: Lady | 2007-08-03 11:26:10 AM

My, my...the venom. Didn't your mother tell you respect is earned.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-08-03 11:27:50 AM


Munroe is too chicken to organize a float in the Baghdad Gay Pride Parade.

He'd rather spit on the freedoms in the west, the freedom that allows each human being to reach his own potential to do good.

His moral compass appears to point him in a different direction ... yet, freedom to explore his dark side is not a path to the ultimate truth.

Posted by: set you free | 2007-08-03 11:36:40 AM


Didn't your pa tell you that you are required to respect ladies?

Of course not! He was not a gentleman, so he could not have taught you anything regarding what ladies are entitled to, by their own rights, because your momma was probably earning the family doe off of FGM, while your pa was raising monies to support terror.

And I second the motion, that you should go to Bagdad to spear head the gay pride parade. When you are done, you can head on over to Gaza and do the same thing there!


Posted by: Lady | 2007-08-03 11:51:23 AM

I have my doubts that marilyn knows who his father is.

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-03 12:04:14 PM


I think that's the guy who pays marilyn's bills.

Posted by: set you free | 2007-08-03 12:06:05 PM

I hate to give away my best campaign ideas even before I file my papers and run for President, but, how about as a means of putting a cap on "crazy litigation driven" health insurance costs, if we limit ANY money award on ANY accidental (not deliberate) health care related damage, to NOT EXCEED ONE DOLLAR LESS THAN THE MAXIMUM AWARD GIVEN TO ANY MEMBER OF OUR ARMED FORCES WHO IS INJURED OR KILLED IN SERVICE IN THE DEFENSE OF OUR COUNTRY.

I would limit ALL awards for any sort of claim of damages which is accidental or mistaken, etc. for any claim against ANY governmental agency, to make it so that our soldiers-sailors get "the most" or "the best" as compared with ANYONE else.

Please recognize, if someone injures another person deliberately (or drives a car drunk, etc. where they "deliberately" disregard others, etc.) then I say sue the guy for a zillion $ and make the judgment run through to the fifth generation of his descendants... and then send him to Singapore for a good caning, or two.

Oh, enough of this levity.

Posted by: Conrad-USA | 2007-08-03 12:18:22 PM

LEVITY??? Heck, you got my vote!

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-03 12:32:19 PM

Thank you all for proving my thoughts to be correct. Neocons hate due process; all are homophobes as demanded by their circle of friends. Homophobes hate lawyers because courts require the truth. Respect is completely a one way street, with conservatives demanding, but never providing.

Every discussion with a neocon returns to the overall obsession with "people who are different" and how they don't fit into the ideal community that some dream of, but never has existed.

Off to Tehran now, boys and girls, to live your ideals...

Posted by: munroe | 2007-08-03 2:30:23 PM

You had a thought?

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-03 3:09:55 PM


I'm not afraid of queers like you.

I use the word queer to describe your laboured process of logic ... tying in lawyers and gays ... I don't follow your argument.

Since I have always been of a conservative mindset, I'm curious as how I can be both conservative and neocon.

You make no sense, man.

I'm sure most people here would agree there is only one human race.

It seems to be your mission to divide by false accusations which could not be provable in a court of law.

Bluster never has equalled intelligence, bottom-feeder.

Posted by: set you free | 2007-08-03 3:52:30 PM


I couldn't help but notice that in a thread with absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality, you were the first to bring it up.

"I didn't want to miss the Western Standard float in the Vancouver Gay Pride parade this weekend. Anyone have a picture? How will I be able to recognize which participant is H2, Syf and OBC?"

Why the obsession? I'm very comfortable in my sexuality so your attempt to disparage me by including me in a parade featuring homosexuals does nothing to phase me.

It does, however, speak volumes about your obsession with homosexuality. Additionally, by repeatedly using homosexuality as a way of attempting to impugn my character, it says that you find homosexuality something to be shunned, presumably, like me.

What offends you so much about homos that you must use it as a defense when someone challenges your opinions unrelated to homosexuality?

Or is this defense subconsciously trying to tell us something?

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-08-03 4:25:46 PM

SYF, don't flatter yourself. You're not of a "conservative mindset". You have a right wheel so deep in the black mire it may no longer even exist. I ask a simple question and you lead the pack off on a chase.

I love this "cover my butt" stuff about "queers like you". Fall once and directly into the perjorative friend. Yo assume sexual preference on the basis of a simple question, yet you assign divsion to the asker.

I put you in with the "pool" as neocons to be nice. I put lawyers in with sharks to be kind.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-08-03 4:31:34 PM

H2, I'm shocked. No one told you yoa you shouldn't answer a question with a question? You are a lawyer then? You know, if ou can read yet, I said I only wanted a place to ask a simple question and this was as close as I could find.

Won't anyone tell me about the WS float!!!!

Posted by: munroe | 2007-08-03 4:35:45 PM


As I carefully explained, the queer referred to your thought process. I have no idea what your sexual preference is, so how can I assume what it is? Quite frankly, I could give Svend Robinson's butt about your sexuality. As I mentioned, it is your choice.

And, the neo-con label cannot possibly stick, since you cannot prove I did not embrace the truth of individual freedom from a young age.

A person cannot be for freedom and for bigger government at the same time. It appears you are conflicted and that conflict has led to some queer lines of reasoning. That's all.

Posted by: set you free | 2007-08-03 4:47:10 PM

Nice cover, syf. Now about the float....

Posted by: munroe | 2007-08-03 4:50:27 PM

"Won't anyone tell me about the WS float!!!!"

That's an interesting game you are playing. Where did you discern that there would be a WS gay float in the first place? Or did you make it up to cover your tracks regarding your prurient obsession with homosexuals?

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-08-03 4:56:29 PM


Call your ticket agent and book your flight to Baghdad.

I'm sure the locals will look upon you kindly while you're organizing a parade to display some latent tendencies you may have.

Since you first introduced the topic, I'm sure nobody would mind if you led the way again.

Posted by: set you free | 2007-08-03 4:58:04 PM

fifi munroe:
Why the need for a float?

Posted by: FedUp | 2007-08-03 5:03:37 PM

H2, of course I made it up about the float. This time I was actually trolling, looking for closets and homophobes. What very rich waters, eh.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-08-03 5:08:45 PM

When do you not troll?

Posted by: FedUp | 2007-08-03 5:12:39 PM


Here we go friends. Mulroney is better at this game then his friend Conrad. There's a lawyers' bash tonight in Baie Comeau. Wear blue.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-08-03 5:21:05 PM

Fedup, I spent time and diligence here presenting reasoned and reasonable arguments and what I got from most was the hallmarks of silliness and comedy. It ain't my game, but given a chance I'll play....

Posted by: munroe | 2007-08-03 5:23:44 PM


That's not true.

You never fail to make me laugh.

Posted by: set you free | 2007-08-03 5:59:51 PM

The first step is to admit you have a problem.

You have now admitted that the idea of a gay WS float was bogus. Now, please go the extra step and admit your obsession with homosexuality, the basis for your float fantasy.

This is the 21st century. Come out of the closet already!

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-08-03 6:08:46 PM

Ice dog:

No sense badgering a weasel.

Posted by: set you free | 2007-08-03 6:11:43 PM

"closet homophobes"?

There is a vast difference between being tolerant (not a homophobe) and insisting that heterosexual people stop being heterosexual in the first place, and try on homosexuality and homosexual behaviour as proof of tolerance.

I am not gay. And, I don't have to be gay to prove I am not homophobic. I simply feel that you do not have to change your preference to prove you are tolerant.

Thing is, I don't have to prove to you or anyone else, that I am tolerant of the rights of gay people. Fact is, I don't have to like everyone on the planet, just because I am tolerant of their human rights. Liking those I am not, is not a pre-requisite to respecting gay human rights--in fact when it comes to liking people or not, I could not care less what they do in their bedrooms (so long as it is adults and not spreading diseases and/or hurting others/which applies to all people).

It seems to me that the gay movement has had the lime light, and the big round of "poor me's" for so long, victimhood if you will, that now that it is not THE most important issue in Canada, that they are missing out on something. So, to make up for it, people like you, have to go sticking it in other people's faces--as if neo-conservatives (gay or heterosexual) would be interested in waving their genitalia around for others to see.

Well, I don't go out of my way to find gay bars--and I am not interested in the kind of behaviour that is expressed, either in gay bars or any bars where people strip--so the feeling towards their behaviour, is equal. I am not personally interested in gay parade floats, and would not be interested in heterosexual parade floats either, if they existed.

And, I do not believe that waving what you have waved around, proves anything about me at all. In fact, it proves that you in fact want to call others "homophobes" because it makes you feel good about yourself. You miss the gay issues, because they were your little babies--aw poor puddins' they needed to be saved--so it was right up your alley.

Well, the gay movement has done what it has done, and the debate is over. People need ot move on, and relearn how to be respectful citizens--because being as you are, is not respectful whatsoever.

And many of my gay and lesbian friends are totally disgusted with that gay parade, because it does not represent them, in any way, shape or form.

And, neither do you!

So, good luck doing the parade in gaza strip, Bagdad, or where ever real human rights are still being violated all the time. Yes, the very place where the terrorists say their rights are being violated, is actually being done by them, to their own people. That's a real cause, and you seem to be just the person, to go stick your neck out for them!

Bon voyage!

And I hope your head does not hurt, when the door smacks you good and hard, as you pass through customs, on your way to real racist-sexist-lands!

Posted by: Lady | 2007-08-03 6:11:59 PM

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