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Monday, August 20, 2007

Sacrifice & Valor

Our thoughts and prayers with the family and friends of Quebec's Royal 22nd Regiment's Pte. Simon Longtin who was unfortunately killed in Afghanistan by a roadside bomb planted by Taliban.

And his comrades want the public to learn more about what they do in that corner of the world.

Posted by Winston on August 20, 2007 in Canadian Politics, Current Affairs, Military | Permalink

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Je Me Souviens - the motto of the Van Doos.

Thank you for serving the nation and the world.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2007-08-20 7:59:21 PM


Unlike most of us, me included, here is a young Canadian Hero who volunteered to go into harms way, aware and determined to do what was right for him, his country and his comrades, which should leave us all very humbled indeed.

God bless him and his family.

Posted by: Sounder | 2007-08-20 8:10:33 PM


Agreed! He and his friends fight for our rights, as well as those of the Afghanis. God bless them all - and may his friends kill as many armed Muslims as they can, removing the Islamofascists from the planet.

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-20 8:13:47 PM


God Bless our canadian soldiers!

It may not be your war Ali, but it is Canada's and all freedom loving peoples.

Posted by: MarkAlta | 2007-08-20 8:25:49 PM


There has been no further attack on North America since our boys and girls have taken the fight to the scum who had invaded Afghanistan and since that POS in Iraq has been deposed.

That is what the fight is about. To keep us safe and free here in the best place in the world. North American. Other best places ... Australia, New Zealand and one or two others.

And Roger, they are not "your troops" your troops are the Taliban and Alkaida. You are our enemy and you don't belong here. You belong in Toronto or Iran.

Condolences to the Vandoos. I noted that CTV was all over this last evening with Lisa La Phlegm (who looks like a big fag in drag) all over it as a sign that we should surrender immediately and that Harper will now lose in Quebec because of this lost soldier.

CTV and CBC cannot bring themselves to simply thank the soldier for his sacrifice and offer some support to his comrades who are still fighting on.

Nooooo they would rather insult them.


Posted by: John | 2007-08-20 8:32:19 PM


That's the drive-by media for ya, John. No surprise. They imitate the US media,principally the NY Slimes.

And these are the anti-American media, copying what the American media is doing. What a contradiction for these US bashers.

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-20 8:35:01 PM


I'll be back tomorrow to read the great posts here - once the toilet has been flushed.

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-20 8:41:04 PM


Cretien told the Yanks what? If I recall he was the one who sent our troops to Afghanistan in the first place. Whatever his reasons, our troops are there and doing an effective job. The Royal 22cnd will do their part and reflect well on Canada and on Quebec as this young soldier has already done. May he rest in Peace.

Posted by: DML | 2007-08-20 9:25:04 PM


Those who take the opportunity to trash Canada, the troops, the mission, while this thread is supposed to, at this time, pay tribute to a lost native son, are not Canadian in my mind. Those spewing such disrespect belong in Saudi, Iran or some other sh*thole, and are certainly not worth a piece of Canadian turd. And I mean it.

Posted by: Sounder | 2007-08-20 9:35:47 PM


Roger, fighting something evil you can't comprehend.

Posted by: Sounder | 2007-08-20 10:00:09 PM


Sounder, you were right about the purpose of this thread. Any further resposes to our reasons for engaging in Afghanistan would be counterproductive and would simply feed an insatiable ego and appetite for blather.

Posted by: DML | 2007-08-20 10:02:22 PM


DML, so true. God bless them all.

Posted by: Sounder | 2007-08-20 10:04:11 PM


"HARPER IS GETTING READY TO TURN TAIL AND CUT AND RUN FROM IRAQ!"

We have troops in Iraq?

We certainly should have but unfortunately because of the liberal "gutting job" our military simply can't take on that task.

And for the human waste/turds that pass for posters on here (Roger comes to mind) that can only disparage the troops, if you can't get behind the brave men and women that are fighting for the freedom of others, by all means feel free to stand in front of them.

Posted by: deepblue | 2007-08-20 10:08:59 PM


Funny Roger,

When ever I see you on here and you speak of debate for some reason this quote comes to mind, and a perfect one it is.

Never Wrestle With A Pig... you'll both get dirty, and only the pig will enjoy it.

Posted by: deepblue | 2007-08-20 10:19:49 PM


Roger,

"Woooooooooo, Pig! Sooie!
"Woooooooooo, Pig! Sooie!
"Woooooooooo, Pig! Sooie! Razorbacks!"

Posted by: deepblue | 2007-08-20 10:27:55 PM


Somehow I knew you would answer the call lowlife.

Your like a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.

Posted by: deepblue | 2007-08-20 10:40:59 PM


The way I remember it Afganistan was a NATO mission and Jean Cretien ordered the Canadian Forces to join with our NATO allies to defeat a terrorist supporting Islamofacist regime of murderers and thugs.The U.S.A.is only one of I think some twenty odd countries in our alliance, so calling it George Bush's war is a nonsensical statement.
Our forces are there fighting the good fight and the soldiers who fall there die with honour.These men deserve nothing less than our gratitude and respect.Anything less demeans all of Canada.

Posted by: robert | 2007-08-20 10:41:45 PM


The defeat of the 'great satan' would spell the end of canada and other nations around the world. People who condemn and belittle america and george bush are the enemy of canada. Make no mistake about it. They are the 'useful idiots' supporting the enemies of our civilisation.

Posted by: dewp | 2007-08-20 10:54:57 PM


This brave young soldier along with all the others deserves our honour and respect and Sounder stated it excellently. The nutters here along with MSM are disgusting. They have not the courage to fight and defend the very freedom they take for granted. What a bunch of bloody cowards!

Posted by: Alain | 2007-08-21 12:08:32 AM


ROGER: Why are you over here? This is Winston's post to honour a dead Canadian soldier and you are trying to kill his commemoration.

A male reader (me) has said: "Canadian Dimension is a far left site that is reflexively anti-west and repeatedly publishes highly distorted articles to make it's case. People that read it and then pollute conservative web sites are encouraging Islamo-fascists everywhere and are thus responsible for the deaths they cause."

Posted by: greenmamba | 2007-08-21 12:56:47 AM


ROGER:

1) You avoided my first question. Not good enough.

2) CD will only publish speeches by people that agree with its views and not consider the balance of opinion in Afghanistan. My point stands.

Posted by: greenmamba | 2007-08-21 1:08:04 AM


ROGER:

Canada being in Afghanistan is justified.

a) If your neighbour's house caught fire I suppose you would say it was not your problem. (Houses in Canada are often close together ....)

b) We have to assume that the attack on the US indicates that we are also targets.

c) Canada has already been the staging ground for an attempted US attack (Rezzam) so we are in this, like it or not.

I am not going to attempt to address the criticisms of the Afghani legislator as I am not qualified. I do believe the intentions of my country are honourable and besides, the Taliban government was abetting terrorism that directly impacted Canada. They had to go. Afghanistan is a complex county and no solution will be ideal but the Taliban must not govern.

A blog is a private concern and the operators decide the rules. One is free to not visit a blog one does not like. In your case, I notice a tendency to be a smart-alec; (your email name name seems indicative of what I might call, "issues" along with your frequent pronouncements of victory.) In any case, that you chose to infest this particular post shows a lack of judgement on your part that suggests why you are being censored.

Posted by: greenmamba | 2007-08-21 1:57:17 AM


No ROGER, you are ignoring what I said. The Taliban justified their own removal, period.

As to the details within Afghanistan, I said no solution would be ideal. I.e. there will be room for criticism. Having established the necessity of removing the Taliban, I do not have to answer every off-topic criticism thrown my way, especially from the likes of ideologues such as CD.

I pointed out some of your idiosyncrasies and must add that your maniacal LOLs and meaningless last paragraph at 2:10:35 spell the end of our debate.

Nighty night, it's been a slice.

Posted by: greenmamba | 2007-08-21 2:21:37 AM


I hope Winston follows up this post, with a post honouring an Afghan civilian who sacrificed his/her life for the War (there are thousands of them, whereas, less than 100 Canadian troops have been killed). Otherwise, as harsh as it may sound, it is obvious that Winston values Canadian blood more than Afghani Blood.

Everyone at TWS, will hopefully see the hypocrisy, Winston. If you do not follow up. What is wrong with reporting both sides of the war? I am sure it would lend more cred to this site.

Posted by: Edmontonian | 2007-08-21 3:26:07 AM


Roger;

There are more than enough reasons we are in Afghanistan. To start with the UN Security Council imposed sanctions against Afghanistan way back on the 15th October 1999 and 4th January 2001. These were imposed on the Taliban after they refused to hand over Bin Laden and close terrorist training camps in their country. These sanctions were imposed BEFORE 9/11, and came from the UN; these sanctions were imposed BEFORE Bush was sworn in as President on 20 January 2001. Bush may have had some input into the situation in Afghanistan since he became President, but this situation has been ongoing for many years now, BEFORE Bush.

Security Council Resolution 1386; 20 December 2001. Resolution 1386 determined that the situation in Afghanistan still constituted a threat to international peace and security. Therefore, in accordance with the Bonn Agreement, (5 December 2001), an International Security Assistance Force, (ISAF) should be established. The ISAF was given various mandates, including, but not limited to, assist with security, to contribute personnel, equipment and other resources, and authorized the Member States participating in the ISAF to take all necessary measures to fulfill its mandate.

It is NOT Bush’s war; it isn’t a war. Since August 2003, with the concurrence of the UN, NATO has taken the lead in Afghanistan with 35,000 troops from 26 member countries. However, all operations are being conducted under the auspices of the UN.

Two things. Bush didn’t start it, and it IS NOT A WAR.

So come on with all of your CAPITALS, but PROVE to me, instead of SHOUTING, why you state:

‘THE PEOPLE OF QUEBEC KNOWS THIS IS THE WRONG WAR FOR QUEBEC AND FOR CANADA.

It is time to tell Bush to fight his own wars. Canada ought to bring our troops home’

Again then, please refute what I have stated above Roger. If you can indeed refute what I have stated, accurately, I will agree with you. But please don’t bore me by taking a mistake I may have plausibly made and use that as your I HAVE WON nonsense. REFUTE my premise that Bush DID NOT start it, and that IT IS NOT A WAR.
Thank you


Posted by: Mike D | 2007-08-21 4:05:21 AM


I find it particularly obscene that the Western Standard would published the ravings of an obviuosly
challenged individual hiding behind the name Roger
-frredom of expression is one thing but publication of the mutterings of this liar and imposter must have no venue on the Shotgun Blog site. If the Standard wishes to commemorate the death of a Canadian Soldier serving as a volunteer in the famed Royal 22nd Regiment while on duty in Afghanistan,
ask the Globe and Mail for permission to reprint Christie Blatchford's Column in the August 21st
Edition -real Canadian Journalism at it's best -confine "Roger" to obscurity where he belongs forever -MacLeod more than somewaht pissed off
in Moncton New Brunswwick -the real East of Canada

Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2007-08-21 6:12:24 AM


Agreed Jack Macleod, allowing this raging, laughing lunatic to comment on this blog site will lead to it's demise as a credible blog. That's what the terrorists and sympathizers are all about.

There are many other sites which would never tolerate such a crazy. He should not only be banned, he should be investigated, this is not normal behavior.

Posted by: LizJ | 2007-08-21 6:27:40 AM


The Daily News in Halifax NS has been experimenting with bloggers many of whom provide articulate perspectives and genuine opinions on a host of
topics but today they are regulating their sites because of the number of comments from a national
series of readers and commentators whose comments on Brison's Wedding went well beyond the purpose of "
freedom of the press" so they have wisely decided
to limit comment -and filter out the fools and challenged respondents - Macleod Roger needs a visit from CSIS.

Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2007-08-21 6:45:16 AM


Hopefully CSIS has been alerted.

Management of Shotgun leaves a lot to be desired in this case.
There is no benefit for allowing repeated tyrannical rants from anyone, it disrupts reasoned debate and the purpose for blogging.
This raving lunatic has exposed himself, it's up to authorities to check him out.

Posted by: LizJ | 2007-08-21 7:14:08 AM


May he rest in peace.
Regardless of politics, this young man has decided to enroll even after knowing what that war was about and the dangers that comes with it. He died where he knew he could so I guess the only thing we have to remember is that he's the hero of the day.
Respect that fact, "The War" would have plenty other occasions to be challenged...but not today.

Posted by: Marc | 2007-08-21 7:24:34 AM


Roger: SOUNDER, WHAT ARE WE FIGHTING FOR IN AFGHANISTAN ACCORDING TO YOU? — The answer is Canada is getting harmed by fighting in Afghanistan. The Afghans never did anything to Canada--why are we killing Afghans? We need to pull-out and apologize and pay reparations and offer help when the Americans also admit defeat and withdraw.

Roger: This is not an answer.

The systematic human rights abuse committed by the Talibans between 1998 and 2007 are well documented and include shooting of non-combattants, thousand of boys and men, burning homes, using detainees for forced labors and subjecting the civilian population of Afghanistan to ruthless and systematic collective punishment.

When they controlled most of Afghanistan, the Talibans isued decrees to restrict women’s movement, behavior, and dress. Under the Talibans, Afghan women were required under threat of severe punishment to wear the chadari, an all-enveloping garnment, and to be accompanied by a close male relative at all times. Violation of the Taliban-imposed dress code could result in public beating by the Religious Police who wielded leather batons reinforced with metal studs. Women were not permitted to work outside the home and girls over eight years old were not permitted to attend school. These decrees led to an illiteracy level for women of over 90% and a chronic lack of access to health care for women.

When the Talibans controlled Afghanistan, they also confronted the international community, including moves that appeared calculated to provoke an international outcry. On March 11, 2001, for example, Taliban forces in Bamiyan destroyed two enormous statues of the Buddha, thirty-eight to fifty-three meters high, that had been carved into sandstone cliffs overlooking the city in the second and fifth centuries, A.D. A BBC report on the destruction, which included an interview with a prominent Afghan living outside the country, led to the expulsion of the BBC reporter from Taliban-controlled Afghanistan in April.

They also encouraged the operation of well-established terrorist training camps. Indian intelligence agencies reported that before 9/11, there were at least 120 of these training camps operating in Afghanistan. Some Indian Defence officials predicted that it would take a decade for the United States and its allies to root them all out. In some instances, the terrorists-in-training used photos of U.S. President Clinton for target practice.

After 9/11, on 20 September 2001, President Bush demanded that the Taliban delivers to US authorities the leaders of al Qaeda and close immediately and permanently all terrorist training camps. This perfectly legitimate demand was ignored. The rest is history.

The Talibans did not behave like a legitimate government when they controlled Afghanistan and today, they continue to terrorise the local population.

This is why our soldiers (god bless them) are in Afghanistan.

Posted by: andré | 2007-08-21 9:29:46 AM


It's "our soldiers" who are fighting the entity "ROGER" is defending.
There was an era when jerks like him would be cuffed off to Jail and charged with Treason for supporting the enemy, which he is doing. That is of course assuming the pig avoider is a Canadian at all or just here as one of our "guests" thanks to lax immigration policies.

Posted by: LizJ | 2007-08-21 11:40:31 AM


. . . or even SHOT for treason.

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-21 11:42:16 AM


I may have missed something but I never have never read anything written by Roger that supports the enemy.

Canada has lost less than 100 troops to this Occupation. Where is the tributes to the thousands of Afghan troops and civilians, who sacrificed their lives to attempt to bring security in the region?

Posted by: Edmontonian | 2007-08-21 2:14:26 PM


Roger Rabid has stated explicitly that he supports the Taliban over Canadian soldiers.

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-21 2:23:19 PM


I didn't get a chance to look at this post last night, but obviously the Islamotroll who shall henceforth remain nameless was here causing trouble as usual. Now that his posts have been deleted, one can see how he successfully baited the sensible posters here with his bullshit. I agree with obc that this troll must be shunned absolutely from now on and not responded to no matter what hateful idiocy he spews. He's had his chance to engage in civilized debate, but has repeatedly abused everyone and everything at this site. Let's please all ignore him and not allow him to get his jollies by hijacking every thread.

Posted by: JP | 2007-08-21 2:26:30 PM


Edmontonian, you certainly did miss something, but then why wouldn't you, your in the same camp. Only difference you have better control of yourself, especially the laughter.

Posted by: LizJ | 2007-08-21 3:14:58 PM


Edmontonian, what is your point? It is their country so one would expect many more casualities because of that. This isn't a numbers game, except for the Leftiods* that try to make political points off the bodies of dead heros.

Posted by: atric | 2007-08-21 3:44:07 PM


My heartfelt condolences goes to the loved ones Pte Simon Longtin left behind.

And, I wish we could increase the numbers of troops, so they could feel more comfort, knowing that we not only believe in what they are doing, in word, but in deed.

Posted by: Lady | 2007-08-21 4:46:36 PM


Edmontonian,

Why do you ask such stupid questions?

Each country gives their own tributes.

But heck, you want to do a website to make tribute to all the Afghanistanis who died fighting the terrorist-talibanis, then go ahead, fill your boots.

Posted by: Lady | 2007-08-21 4:48:52 PM


Roger,

So are you going to answer or not you LOSER????

Posted by: Mike D | 2007-08-22 1:00:28 AM


But research reveals that authoritarian followers drive through life under the influence
of impaired thinking a lot more than most people do, exhibiting sloppy reasoning,
highly compartmentalized beliefs, double standards, hypocrisy, self-blindness, a
profound ethnocentrism, and--to top it all off--a ferocious dogmatism that makes it
unlikely anyone could ever change their minds with evidence or logic. These seven
deadly shortfalls of authoritarian thinking eminently qualify them to follow a would be
dictator. As Hitler is reported to have said,“What good fortune for those in power
that people do not think.” (Altemeyer)

This quote applies well to what has happened to a lot of former posts on this blog.

Posted by: Edmontonian | 2007-08-22 1:07:40 AM


Wrong quote. Ignore the post above.

Posted by: Edmontonian | 2007-08-22 1:18:36 AM


Actually Edmontonian, seems as though you have committed a Freudian slip.

To me, it applies to all the islamofacists and their supporters out there.

Posted by: Lady | 2007-08-22 11:06:13 AM



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