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Wednesday, August 15, 2007
Now comes the paperwork
In the wake of the police shooting of a chain-wielding man in Vancouver on Monday night, we once again have the opportunity to size up the legal and bureaucratic institutions and procedures that exist in Canada to ensure that police misconduct does not take place.
As reported in today's National Post, five detectives are investigating the shooting and will prepare a report for Crown prosecutors; the VPD's own professional standards unit will investigate the shooting; the Office of the Police Complaints Commissioner has been notified; and the coroner's service is also probing the shooting.
The level of scrutiny to which is a police officer is subjected every time he fires his gun is certainly onerous and, in some respects, a reflection of the anti-police bias that became institutionalized when my utopian generation took power. Ultimately, though, I think it's a good thing to ensure that the police don't run amok -- especially in a country where it's virtually illegal for anyone except a policeman to carry a sidearm.
Posted by Terry O'Neill on August 15, 2007 in Crime | Permalink
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"especially in a country where it's virtually illegal for anyone except a policeman to carry a sidearm"
Like that has stopped criminals and gangs from their shootings!
Arm and train the citizenry and many more lives will be saved by honourable citizens than lost by an occasional crazy one. And it would restore civility to the streets of the nation too - even if it's out of fear.
Posted by: obc | 2007-08-15 11:24:17 AM
Instead of being placed under severe scrutiny, the cop in question should be given a medal for ridding the streets of yet one more scum.
And yes, an armed society is a polite society.
Posted by: atric | 2007-08-15 11:31:02 AM
If I was armed and a chain wielding thug was coming at me, I would shoot the bastard too.
What's the problem?
It's simple when the police come to settle you down, you have to know it's time to settle down. If not, you may be shot. That is why the police have guns.
No mystery. If one doesn't know this, then their parents and our school system have failed the police.
Posted by: John | 2007-08-15 11:49:13 AM
"If one doesn't know this, then their parents and our school system have failed the police."
Yes - parents who have ceded their authority to the nanny state - and teachers who are, by and large, (not bi and large, marilyn!) union thugs, solely concerned with wages, benefits and pensions - even if Johnny can't read or do simple math.
Posted by: obc | 2007-08-15 11:53:07 AM
Like that has stopped criminals and gangs from their shootings!
No it has not, part of trudeaupia means never admitting where the real problems are. Doing this offends people. Thus when certain ethnic groups are 10 times as likely to commit a crime they demand that the rest of society do 10 times as much jail time for the same crime for equality. Makes no sense to me but I'm not liberal.
This man was a criminal because of poverty and YOUR unwillingness to pay enough taxes to him. See it's your fault he was a moron, not his.
And making people work is never a cure for poverty only giving them tax dollars is.
If we only cut every poor person a cheque for a million dollars we could be "the just society". except if you are one of the whiny taxpayers but who cares about them?
Any way the only people who carry guns are criminals and police. maybe if we pass a law criminals will stop. But it's easy to target white hetronormative gunowners. Whereas criminals often belong to minority groups and by their existence we are too tough on them.
Posted by: Dinosaur | 2007-08-15 11:58:05 AM
No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
~ Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: obc | 2007-08-15 12:04:45 PM
I hope that amongst his peers, the police officer is being honoured for smearing one more cockroach into the street.
Posted by: DCM | 2007-08-15 1:40:11 PM
Jefferson loved revolutionary violence. He was an religious supporter of the bloody French revolution. According to Jefferson, the French were advancing the cause of liberty; any American who criticized them was guilty of treason. His supporters hailed the September massacres of 1792 in their party's newspaper: "It is sickening to hear our prostituted prints call the French barbarous and inhuman; because when justly incensed they have made examples of two or three thousands scoundrels."
The September massacres hailed as heroic by Jefferson and his disciples began on September 2, 1792 and lasted five days. The first attack occured when 24 priests being transported to a prison were attacked by a mob in Paris. They quickly and grotesquely killed all the priests and went on to kill other prisoners as well. During the massacres, approximately 1200 prisoners died, all prisoners in Paris'prisons. Many of those thus massacred were under eighteen.
Today, Jefferson's heirs are the militias of the far right. Timothy McVeigh was wearing a T-shirt with a Jefferson quotation on it when he was arrested for the Oklahoma City bombing.
This explains why OBC thinks that the FLQ were not terrorists, according to him, they were freedom fighters although they placed bombs with 146 sticks of TNT on Metropolitan Boulevard in Montreal. Some freedom...
A true conservative would find quotes from John Quincy Adams. There are a lot of "militia" types posting on this blog. They are not true conservatives and certainly not neocons because neocons accept the simple fact that in a parliamentary democracy one has to make compromises from time to time.
Posted by: andré | 2007-08-15 1:47:59 PM
"This explains why OBC thinks that the FLQ were not terrorists, according to him, they were freedom fighters although they placed bombs with 146 sticks of TNT on Metropolitan Boulevard in Montreal. Some freedom..."
Wherever did you hatch that up? Never said it - never would. They escaped to commie Cuba, demonstrating who they were.
SHEEEESH!
Posted by: obc | 2007-08-15 2:02:19 PM
Just out of curiousity, does anyone know the race of the man who was shot? If he was a white man, then case closed. If not, then expect the usual ethnic whining.
In Toronto whenever a black man, usually Jamaican, is shot, the anti-police hate mongers (Dudley Laws, Charles Roach et al) come out screaming "racism!". I believe Vancouver has a much lower Jamaican population than Toronto. Lucky them.
Posted by: JP | 2007-08-15 2:23:47 PM
andre' has difficulty with absolutes, such treating concepts of right versus wrong, as external to the individual making such judgments.
For Liberals, the individual makes such judgments for "herself" but without the necessity of giving any regard to the unborn baby, or to defenseless impressionable minor school children who andre' would put under the authority of homosexual-feminist government school teachers, to whom andre' grants broad license to "merely" act on their own lifestlye choices.
Posted by: Conrad-USA | 2007-08-15 2:33:41 PM
Hammer and chain as weapons of choice? It must be a white man.
Posted by: DJ | 2007-08-15 3:18:19 PM
OBC: Wherever did you hatch that up? Never said it - never would. They escaped to commie Cuba, demonstrating who they were. SHEEEESH!
Bringing to your memory this short exchange on July 22 under "Supporting the Troops?"
DML: 22 July 2007, 8:14:37 pm – After the FLQ crisis (a few years) the government of Canada moved the Airborne Regiment to Petawawa near Ottawa. The Airborne were quite happy to be in Edmonton and contributed a lot to the city. At the time one of their officers told me that they had never been treated better including in their home towns in Quebec. My experience was confined to the Premier Commando. Could it be that the pols were protecting their own butts?
OBC: 22 July 2007 8:18:13 PM – DO YOU HAVE TO ASK???
OBC: Maybe I misunderstood your comment but it definitely sounded to me as if you claim that the government has no duty to protect the population, and itself, in case of terrorist unrest. That is as long as you approve of the actions of the terrorists involved.
Conrad US: andre' has difficulty with absolutes, such treating concepts of right versus wrong, as external to the individual making such judgments.
For Liberals, the individual makes such judgments for "herself" but without the necessity of giving any regard to the unborn baby, or to defenseless impressionable minor school children who andre' would put under the authority of homosexual-feminist government school teachers, to whom andre' grants broad license to "merely" act on their own lifestlye choices.
Conrad: You're damn right I have difficulty with the "absolutes" as you list them. Absolutes belong to the Imams and the preachers of Jihad, not to citizens living in a free, democratic society with universal suffrage. It is that sort of a society that our soldiers are dying (in vain perhaps) while trying to establish in Afghanistan.
I am a conservative Canadian who firmly believes that our democracy is rooted in the establishment of strong two(or more)-party-system.
Conrad, you seem to be advocating a return to the blue laws of Connecticut: http://personal.pitnet.net/primarysources/bluelaws.html
I am sorry if my comments offend some of you but I am a Edmund Burke type of conservative and I absolutely (yes conrad absolutely) reject coercion and violence to attain one's objectives.
As I said before, I think "absolute truth" belong to the islamo-fascists, not to our Western tradition.
My political affiliation has nothing to do with this fundamental rejection of "absolutes" as you express it, for your information I will vote for Harper again at the next federal elections.
Posted by: andré | 2007-08-15 3:23:16 PM
And how do those quotes prove that I said the flq were not terrorists???
Posted by: obc | 2007-08-15 3:37:22 PM
ebt ~
Come on - don't hold back. Tell us what you REALLY think. lol!
Posted by: obc | 2007-08-15 3:54:58 PM
Yeah - it's working so well in (once Great) Britain.
Posted by: obc | 2007-08-15 4:03:36 PM
What do all slaves have in common?
They don't own guns.
Posted by: John | 2007-08-15 4:10:02 PM
André,
Wanna get a place in my Separitists train now ?
Right I forgot, you're an Acadien and you beleive I'm the bad man.
Bonne fête des Acadiens !!! ...by the way.
keep partying with ebt and blaming the FLQ: him and the circus here beleive that LA DEPORTATION is still an unfinished job.
Your call. Good luck.
Posted by: Marc | 2007-08-15 5:01:55 PM
OBC: If I offended you, I sincerely apologized.
ebt: I am retired now but I a former member of the Canadian Armed Forces (regular). BTW: Fill your boots....
Marc: merci pour les bons souhaits man!
Posted by: andré | 2007-08-15 5:39:19 PM
;-)
De rien vieux. C'est normal, cousin.
Posted by: Marc | 2007-08-15 5:43:51 PM
the local CTV news described the shot man as a large white biker type,The inflamed "diversity" hire news presenter then went on to describe how the police"gunned the man down".The first officer may have been about to offer a group hug but the "biker type" dropped him with a chain club to the head.the officer's co-workers wisely decided to follow SOP and use deadly force.
The problems in Vancouver,while not as bad as Toronto the City of Lite, have their genesis in moist pink liberal thinking in city hall..The streets are infested with aggressive panhandlers and low rent protection racketeers; "hey buddy gimme a ten or your car might get keyed". The Socialist morons in charge won't act until the City starts resembling Detroit.
Posted by: nick | 2007-08-15 6:16:14 PM
the local CTV news described the shot man as a large white biker type,The inflamed "diversity" hire news presenter then went on to describe how the police"gunned the man down".The first officer may have been about to offer a group hug but the "biker type" dropped him with a chain club to the head.the officer's co-workers wisely decided to follow SOP and use deadly force.
The problems in Vancouver,while not as bad as Toronto the City of Lite, have their genesis in moist pink liberal thinking in city hall..The streets are infested with aggressive panhandlers and low rent protection racketeers; "hey buddy gimme a ten or your car might get keyed". The Socialist morons in charge won't act until the City starts resembling Detroit.
Posted by: nick | 2007-08-15 6:17:49 PM
"OBC: If I offended you, I sincerely apologized.
Accepted!
Posted by: obc | 2007-08-15 6:22:20 PM
From John Quincy Adams Inaugural Address: Our political creed is, without a dissenting voice that can be heard, that the will of the people is the source and the happiness of the people the end of all legitimate government upon earth; that the best security for the beneficence and the best guaranty against the abuse of power consists in the freedom, the purity, and the frequency of popular elections; that the General Government of the Union and the separate governments of the States are all sovereignties of limited powers, fellow- servants of the same masters, uncontrolled within their respective spheres, uncontrollable by encroachments upon each other; that the firmest security of peace is the preparation during peace of the defenses of war; that a rigorous economy and accountability of public expenditures should guard against the aggravation and alleviate when possible the burden of taxation; that the military should be kept in strict subordination to the civil power; that the freedom of the press and of religious opinion should be inviolate; that the policy of our country is peace and the ark of our salvation union are articles of faith upon which we are all now agreed.
If there have been those who doubted whether a confederated representative democracy were a government competent to the wise and orderly management of the common concerns of a mighty nation, those doubts have been dispelled; if there have been projects of partial confederacies to be erected upon the ruins of the Union, they have been scattered to the winds.... (John Quincy Adams, Inaugural Address, March 4, 1825)
Posted by: andré | 2007-08-15 6:32:52 PM
"Quebec refuses to release bridge inspection reports"
The Quebec Transport Department has refused to make public any of its inspection and repair reports for bridges and overpasses in the province.
The department refused an access to information request because the information may have included: industrial, scientific or commercial secrets, could damage the competitive advantage of a private company and could contain opinions or recommendations on the competence of the transport department, among other reasons.
Essentially, the decision means that transport department reports cannot be made public, Natalie Noel, a transport department access to information coordinator, said.
"We're following the law," she said.
NO! They are covering their derrieres!
Posted by: obc | 2007-08-15 6:34:37 PM
John Quincy Adams:
Let us not be unmindful that liberty is power. The nation blessed with the greatest portion of liberty must in proportion to its number be the most powerful nation on earth.
Posted by: obc | 2007-08-15 6:36:15 PM
Posted by: DML | 2007-08-15 6:39:57 PM
DML~
Don't be shy. What were you going to say?
Posted by: obc | 2007-08-15 6:41:15 PM
Let us not be unmindful that liberty is power. The nation blessed with the greatest portion of liberty must in proportion to its number be the most powerful nation on earth.
AMEN...
Posted by: andré | 2007-08-15 6:50:40 PM
. . . but every form of socialism limits the freedoms of its citizens!
Posted by: obc | 2007-08-15 6:51:52 PM
andre'
There is nothing "conservative" about government which does not ABSOLUTELY protect innocent human life.
There is nothing "conservative" about government which does not ABSOLUTELY protect innocent (i.e. immature) children from individuals who suffer from dangerous (to themselves and others) mental illness such as homosexuality.
Attempts to treat as "normal" that which is unjust, unnatural and perverse, i.e. Abortion or the instruction of small children about the sexual proclivities of individuals afflicted with homosexual mental illness, are the "thoughts" of those who do not value the rights or dignity of the free and independent individual in society, but rather the "rights" of preditory animals.
You merely seek the "freedom" to harm those who are weaker than yourself for your benefit (even if that is merely to go along and get along).
Posted by: Conrad-USA | 2007-08-15 7:27:12 PM
The FLQ were neither terrorists nor freedom fighters. Instead they were criminals. The real terrorist was Pierre the Terrible, whose invasion of Quebec was aimed at reminding Quebecers that the English were in charge.
Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2007-08-15 7:37:09 PM
Damn good job he didn't have one of those illegal American guns. Or that certain crazies in Canada didn't have guns "registered" for their personal use.
End the registry - Just Ban all Guns!
Posted by: munroe | 2007-08-15 7:48:42 PM
And while we're at it, ban all drugs. That will solve that problem once and for all.
Oh, and ban bank robberies.
Ban assaults.
Ban check kiting.
Ban Dipper thefts from Bingo games for charity.
Ban drownings.
Ban speeding.
Ban car accidents.
Ban bear maulings.
Now we can have the safest country in the world!
Posted by: obc | 2007-08-15 7:51:31 PM
Sorry OBC, I was going to say that there has to be a balance between the need to investigate each time a constable uses a weapon and the need not to inhibit the use of the weapon when it is absolutely necessary. The difference in milliseconds is crucial.
Posted by: DML | 2007-08-15 10:38:10 PM
...time for a chain registry...
Posted by: tomax7 | 2007-08-15 11:31:37 PM
...time for a chain registry...
Posted by: tomax7 | 2007-08-15 11:32:03 PM
"The FLQ were neither terrorists nor freedom fighters. Instead they were criminals. The real terrorist was Pierre the Terrible, whose invasion of Quebec was aimed at reminding Quebecers that the English were in charge."
At least, one blogger here is not corrupt by MSM both from Right or Left. Plain history 101 with an accurate acount of it.
Posted by: Marc | 2007-08-16 12:04:35 AM
JQA,
"America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity. She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and of equal rights. She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own. She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart. She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right. Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. ***But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.*** She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force.... She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit...."
Posted by: DJ | 2007-08-16 12:16:02 AM
Well, isn't this story from Quebec special!
"Court orders Montreal school board to rehire convicted killer"
CBC News
Montreal's largest school board has been ordered to rehire a teacher who had been fired for failing to disclose to the board that he had killed his wife in 1990.
Jean-Alix Miguel had pleaded guilty to the crime and was sentenced to seven years in prison.
In 1998, the Commission scolaire de Montréal hired him to teach electronics to adults at a construction trade school in Montreal's east end.
The board fired him in 2004 when it learned about his criminal record, something he had not told the board about when he was hired.
An arbitrator later ruled that Miguel's dismissal violated Quebec's charter of rights, because his crime did not in any way relate to his work.
The board appealed the arbitrator's ruling to Quebec's Superior Court, but the court ruled in favour of Miguel on Wednesday.
The board has 30 days to appeal that decision.
"his crime did not in any way relate to his work."
Right - there's NO REASON a murderer shouldn't be allowed to teach your children. Next question?
Posted by: obc | 2007-08-16 2:04:22 PM
Roger Rabid has hijacked my name. None of these evil posts are mine. I'll retire for the night until Ezra figures this out.
THE LOL!!! indicates it's Roger Rabid.
Posted by: obc | 2007-08-17 8:15:34 PM
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