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Friday, August 17, 2007

Michael Bryant sets up a sock puppet to push for his handgun ban

Ontario's Attorney General Michael Bryant wants a ban on handguns.  Apparently a ban on murder isn't enough.

He even has a clever phrase: "No Gun, No Funeral".

But what he really needed was a group to take his four-word solution for all that ails Canada to the public at large.  Fortunately, such a group formed at NoGunNoFuneral.ca:

We are a group of Canadians dedicated to tougher gun controls in Canada. In particular, we support recent calls for a national hand gun ban.

What group of Canadians, exactly, are supporting the recent calls for a ban?  The site never says.  In fact, it makes no mention of a group or individual responsible for the site, or any political affiliation.

Truly grass roots, right?

Not at all:

None of this in on the website.  It is all on the site domain administration information.  The average visitor would never know any of this.

The federal Liberals get in the act too.  A reverse IP lookup reveals that the domain is being served by a nameserver owned by Voyages Gendron.  The IT Manager (and person responsible for managing the nameservers) for this travel agency is Marc-Andre Gendron, the VP of Communications for the Young Liberals of Canada.

So "this group of Canadians" are in fact Ontario Liberal operators directly connected to Michael Bryant, getting help from other Liberals.  None of this is directly disclosed on the website.

Today, Michael Bryant came clean:

"It's my phrase; it's my idea; it's my website," Bryant said. "It's bizarre that people who don't want to register their guns think I should register my website as a dangerous weapon."

People want to know the agenda behind the message.  That's not bizarre at all.  Is this about handguns or is this about re-electing Michael Bryant by creating support for his slogan using a sock puppet of his own creation?  Remember, the phone number goes to the Michael Bryant Election Campaign.

Despite all the constituency connections, Michael Bryant insists this is not a constituency operation:

Bryant said constituency resources, which are provided by taxpayers, were not used to develop the site.


You can see all the evidence establishing a connection between the site and Michael Bryant and come to your own conclusion.  But it certainly seems like something designed by Michael Bryant to help Michael Bryant get his particular spin and slogan in the public eye just in time for the upcoming Ontario election.

Of course, to seem credible, the visitors to the site weren't supposed to know it was Michael Bryant saying that Michael Bryant's idea was so brilliant.

I guess he can't keep that a secret any more.

Posted by Steve Janke on August 17, 2007 | Permalink


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It's the Leftoid way. Why be surprised? These folks lie & steal to maintain power. That's what it is all about. Not helping the citizens but helping themselves!

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-17 6:09:12 PM

Lies, lies and more lies. It must make those who swallow this rubbish feel good, because it is a denial of truth and reason. Never confuse them with the simple fact that thugs will never be affected by whatever ban.

They should be promoting sentencing to fit the crime without no premature release. That would have an affect but of course it is not part of the Left's vocabulary.

Posted by: Alain | 2007-08-17 6:31:44 PM

Are you on crack? You write, "People want to know the agenda behind the message." Gee, I thought the "agenda" behind the message was that the people involved in the website want guns banned. But now that I know that they are all Liberals, I know that they really don't care about getting rid of guns. Their website saying that that is what they want is all a clever disguise for their REAL "agenda" which is....


What would that be Steve? You sure the real agenda behind the site is not about getting rid of guns?

Posted by: Wade | 2007-08-17 7:52:53 PM

Then why did they hide their affiliation, Wade?

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-17 7:54:19 PM

Though I am reluctant to delete comments, however inane, signing someone else's name is deceitful and earns your comment a quick trip to the memory hole. I don't have sufficient permissions to ban people, but I'll do what I can to keep the debate on point.

Posted by: Steve Janke | 2007-08-17 9:44:45 PM

Fact of the matter is that handguns have been severely restricted in Canada since the early 30s. Rampant handgun crime only became a problem in the last 20 to 30 yrs as we entered into a period of mass immigration. In Toronto it's blacks, Winnipeg Natives and in Vancouver Asians. In Toronto virtually all the shooting are committed by black youth with "illegal" handguns, brought across the border by gangs and across the borders on native reserves. Why don't we call it what it is and it's a minority problem with Illegal guns being the weapon of choice. With the exception of bikers killing each other it's almost always turf wars between minorities, who have brought their distant cultures and criminal traditions with them and they now flourish under multi-culturalism.

Another great triumph of Canadian Liberalism. When all the citizens have been disarmed of their LEGAL guns, then the true take over of our society can begin in earnest.

Posted by: cdn.infidel | 2007-08-17 10:34:13 PM

I am a little iffy on this issue, since I do not care where it goes either way. However, isn't the current limitation on guns working in terms of murder rates, compared to the US.

Steven J, I believe the impersonator is Roger, who is reacting to the impersonations of him, by OBC a few days ago. There are always two sides to the coin. ;)

However, I do not believe in banning since all OBC has to do is ignore the troll and he will go away.

Posted by: Edmontonian | 2007-08-18 12:06:13 AM

So it boils down to this = Ontario has lots of gun violence. Where's the problem?

This Bryant guy sounds like another Toronto person on a crusade. He should be ignored.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2007-08-18 8:24:15 AM

Edmontonian, you seem to know about this insane ROGER thingy, how come, a pal of yours?

He should not only be banned, he should be investigated. How could a person want to carry on with such diatribe on any Blog site if they are normal?

There's a little more to it than ignoring him, he won't go away, it's the other commenters who will go away in disgust.

Bryant is spouting what Torontonians want to hear, who else matters if your Liberal and a member from Toronto and environs.

Posted by: LizJ | 2007-08-18 8:48:53 AM

Infidel: It is in fact not mostly natives in winnipeg. The majority of gun crimes in this city are caused by white people, with a significant number also commited by a pair of Western African gangs, all of it over the crack industry. The recent increase in this violence is yet one more reason for gov't to eliminate its ridiculous, antiquated, and paternalistic drug laws.

Posted by: Thelibertarian | 2007-08-18 9:23:47 AM

Have we all forgotten what OBC did a couple of days ago, impersonation Roger? They both should be banned then.

Posted by: Edmontonian | 2007-08-18 3:31:22 PM

re; no gun no funeral..... how about no un-elected lieberal senators blocking changes to the criminal code which would see thugs with guns go to jail .... but we would't want to see any potential lieberal "block voters" go to jail now would we???

Posted by: bubba brown | 2007-08-18 8:23:55 PM

A life sentence and a $1m fine just for carrying a gun? If you're going to lose everything, why not go down with a few murder charges while you're at it!

Three words: cold. dead. fingers.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2007-08-18 8:41:44 PM

Guns already are regulated but knee-jerk extremist reactions will neither solve nor prevent gun violence.

Legal firearms owners, those who abide by the laws, do have the right to enjoy their property. They must not be victimized by a group of vindictive self-appointed crusaders.

Besides, Toronto only has a gun problem because of the racial divisions within the city. If Whites would allow non-whites to rise up from poverty, then there would be fewer gun crimes, and indeed crime overall.

If they really wanted to solve gun crimes in Toronto, then whites would be targeted more often. Whites are isolated from the non-white on non-white violence endemic in Toronto. If more whites were shot, then the white majority would rise up and demand action. The Jane Creba case puts this observation beyond question. Whites just ignore non-whites shooting each other, but an attack on the white race cannot be ignored. SO much for tolerant Toronto.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2007-08-18 8:55:26 PM

The legal ownership of guns (especially handguns) is very restricted in Canada. Several years ago when my son travelled back and forth from the university, he made a bus transfer at a major downtown hub that was frequented by skateboarders. He came to know many of them fairly well and did not think they were engaging in bravado when they claimed that on any given evening the police could find at least five illegal handguns if they frisked the people that were there.

Posted by: DML | 2007-08-18 8:58:17 PM

He came to know many of them fairly well and did not think they were engaging in bravado when they claimed that on any given evening the police could find at least five illegal handguns if they frisked the people that were there.

Where was this in?

Posted by: 767 Skipper | 2007-08-18 9:05:41 PM

I never said he was hanging around with criminals. He talkid to people who used the large amounts of concrete in the plaza for skateboarding and they told him what they had observed- being the street smart people they were. He also reported what he had been told to the police. Whether they did anything constructive with the information is something I don't know. I also said the guns being carried were illegal.
BTW- I apologize for the confusion. By mistake I double-clicked my mouse.

Posted by: DML | 2007-08-18 9:16:43 PM

I am beginning to wonder if you actually have the desire to read. I suspect you do not. The son I describe is one of the most loving, caring, responsible and moral individuals that I have the honour of knowing.

Posted by: DML | 2007-08-18 9:44:16 PM

You are still not reading. I did not say he snitched on his friends. He did report to the police what he had learned. He did not say that it was the skateboarders who were carrying the weapons. They simply told him that the guns were in the plaza. The years that I taught in a highschool showed me that for the most part skateboarders are fairly meek and mild and very polite. I may be wrong in thinking that is their general nature. They may simply be behaving in order to escape detection. I prefer being trusting. The ones I knew never let me down. You also assumed that the skaters were his friends. I only said that he came to know them well. It is not an ad hominem attack to point out to you when you are not paying attention.

Posted by: DML | 2007-08-18 10:35:43 PM

DML: which 'lie' is he talking about? I've lost track of everything in this thread.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2007-08-18 10:36:07 PM

That was a claim from the thread where we were talking about medical goods being manufactured in the US. You did talk about consumer goods but I chose to focus on medical appliances that are usually designed in the US even if they are manufactured elsewhere. I must admit that I have never looked at the place of origin on the opthamologists lazer. He wouldn't appreciate my nosiness and I doubt that Roger would have the nerve to go poking around in his doctor's equipment.

Posted by: DML | 2007-08-18 10:44:00 PM

I think he's nitpicking to a degree I haven't seen since this one job I had about five years ago. Never mind him.

Posted by: Zebulon Pike | 2007-08-18 10:46:01 PM

Thanks Zeb. Good night.

Posted by: DML | 2007-08-18 11:22:12 PM

"As for guns, ban them all! Get caught with a gun and be put in jail for life and fined $1 million for first time offenders. ALL guns should be banned. And ALL BULLETS should be banned."

Tell me asshat, what are you going to use to fight off the evil americans when they invade?

Think your mouth will have any effect against an M16?

Thats a battle I would enjoy watching.

Posted by: deepblue | 2007-08-19 10:11:38 PM

Sorry 767 Skipper, I haven't answered your question. My son's transfer point was at McCauley Plaza in Edmonton.

Posted by: DML | 2007-08-19 10:48:04 PM

Great post and so typical of Bryant.

Who runs 'workingfamilies.ca'? The domain name is owned by a Carmine Piano, org is Ontario Builders Association which doesn't seem to exist.

Curious - they are running ads on TV badmouthing John Tory.

Posted by: Selma | 2007-08-20 7:48:35 AM

Actually, it's registered under "Ontario Building Trades."

Do you suppose "Carmine Piano" refers to a type of desk lamp? If so, not sure if that goes against CIRA guidelines for registering dot-ca domain names...

Posted by: pohdium | 2007-09-16 6:50:39 PM

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