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Monday, August 20, 2007

Garbage in, garbage out

Don't you just love the intelligent, thoughtful questions that pollsters pose?

Angus Reid's latest on-line poll question asks whether I will vote for Stephen Harper in the next federal election.

Well, Angus, thanks for asking, but even though I may vote for the Conservative Party of Canada's candidate in my suburban Vancouver riding, I will assuredly not be voting for Mr. Harper, who will be seeking election in a seat several hundred miles east of where I live.

So, my truthful and accurate answer to your question would be to click the NO box -- an answer that you will no doubt interpret as being anti-Conservative. And then, of course, you'll be wrong. Garbage in, garbage out.

Posted by Terry O'Neill on August 20, 2007 in Canadian Politics | Permalink

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Right on Terry. A "loaded" question typiical of Canadian Pollsters who can be bought and sold like whores - but the pro Liberal and Socialist Horde Canadian Media play the "pollsters game" focused
on undermining the electorate, but in recent years at least it appears to me the Canadian electorate are somewhat smarter than the Media assume they are
-first saw the "personality type" polling when Mulroney was PM and leader of the Then Progressive Conservative Party but I suspect Pollsters of the period played the Media game on Mulroney. Who to this day detests the Ottawa and Toronto Media in particular. Macleod

Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2007-08-20 11:07:57 AM


Good answer, Terry.

The pollsters will be scratching their heads on election day and we'll all know why.

Posted by: set you free | 2007-08-20 11:09:50 AM


I am voting for Harper and the conservatives in the next election--because they are the only party to lead Canada, with principles, dignity, and a respect for humanity. All the rest cow to the terrorists!

Posted by: Lady | 2007-08-20 11:17:32 AM


Terry: Don't get confused. This is an ad for the Angus Reid Forum, and it clearly states the results are not representative. For a scientific survey conducted by Angus Reid Strategies (which includes voting intention, ratings for Harper and Dion, and preferred prime minister), click on the link below:

http://angusreidstrategies.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=news&newsid=87

Posted by: MCG | 2007-08-20 11:41:29 AM


I am not voting at all. There is no one left for vote and I am not buying into the lessor of two evils thing.

Harper government broke promises such as the income trust thing that cost me plenty. It turns out to have been the wrong thing to so economically as well.

He panders to Quebec, he has not yet canceled the gun registry and so on.

The latest item that shows they are as bad as the others ... is today Stockwell Day caved on the Sieke asshole here in Vancouver who came here illegally with phony passport, lying his ass off then had a stroke and is now a burden on the health cares system for life.

Perhaps his place in the line will take the place of one of your legal Canadian loved ones who will die instead of this jerk.

My guess is he will not be deported because even the Harper government has NO BALLS!

The pander to the ethnic vote JUST LIKE THE LIBERALS!!

Posted by: John | 2007-08-20 12:27:51 PM


My guess john, is that you will not voting, because you do not support democracy in any shape or form, and would rather have your religious leaders make decisions for you, based on 1,400 year old butcher's values!

Posted by: Lady | 2007-08-20 12:56:56 PM


MCG,

Most people do not know that, and most people will follow, if not the herd, but what they think is the herd, or at least, where someone suggests the herd is heading--even if it means jumping off a cliff.

Posted by: Lady | 2007-08-20 12:58:37 PM


John sounds a tad disillusioned according to his post.
Personally I could never bring myself to vote for those loathsome bastards that stole and feathered their boar's nest of the so-called "Canada's Natural governing Party" -
So called by Canada's MSM, the very enablers of the corrupt bastards.
And the pollsters are right up there with MSM in my view.

Posted by: Joe Molnar | 2007-08-20 1:26:24 PM


Pollster are notorious in Canada and actually are in collusion with the Liberal and Socialist Horde owned
Ottawa and Toronto Media - which certain of Mulroney's guys called the whores on the hill. I am sure that Citoyen Dion's name never is featured in a Pollster's question box - because the formerly mighty Red Machine is about to dump the little fart in favour of Ignatieff - Coffee Shop gossip here in this perfect little bi-lingual City is that Professor Dion has had the buscuit -Liberal peons
(the working poor -want Dion gone) -for one thing the Red Machine can't beg, buy or steal money for
the anticipated campaign. But the stage is set in New Brunswick for Conservative Federal Seats when
people like Scott and a few more non-entities are
done in mostly by fellow Liberals - MacLeod

Posted by: Jack MacLeod | 2007-08-20 1:47:22 PM


Pollster are notorious in Canada and actually are in collusion with the Liberal and Socialist Horde owned
Ottawa and Toronto Media - which certain of Mulroney's guys called the whores on the hill. I am sure that Citoyen Dion's name never is featured in a Pollster's question box - because the formerly mighty Red Machine is about to dump the little fart in favour of Ignatieff - Coffee Shop gossip here in this perfect little bi-lingual City is that Professor Dion has had the buscuit -Liberal peons
(the working poor -want Dion gone) -for one thing the Red Machine can't beg, buy or steal money for
the anticipated campaign. But the stage is set in New Brunswick for Conservative Federal Seats when
people like Scott and a few more non-entities are
done in mostly by fellow Liberals - MacLeod

Posted by: Jack MacLeod | 2007-08-20 1:47:59 PM


Lady,

Perhaps it's time to change your tampon.

Posted by: John | 2007-08-20 3:10:00 PM


Low blow, John. You can do better.

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-20 3:19:19 PM


I have yet to see a poll with open-ended questions with the option of stating your actual opinion, and this applies to all such surveys no matter what the topic. However few politicians seem to realise this and switch their stand according to the direction of the wind. Sad indeed.

John, I understand your frustration concerning the present government and other parties. In fact I share the frustration in many areas such as the Arar rip-off, the cave-in to the enviro nutters on the light bulbs and especially no indication of implementing a true conservative policy of decreasing the size of government and the bloated civil service. I was not aware that they have just caved in to the illegal which adds to stupid decisions - another one we cannot afford.

Yet should I refuse to vote at all as a large number of people do, I shall have forfeited my democratic voice completely. In my opinion this can be even more dangerous if most of the small number of voters belong to the extreme Left. Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but I choose to hold my nose and vote at present. At the same time I continue to voice my opinion on issues to my MP and the government while in office.

Posted by: Alain | 2007-08-20 3:30:44 PM


Actually there is a very simple way to literally cancel out absolutely anything the numbers in any given poll might lead people to believe. All you have to do is stipulate that any poll must clearly identify who paid for it.

When the identity of those paying for the poll becomes known it will, I believe, for the most part cancel out the very idea of the poll. Everyone reading the numbers will just come to the conclusion that numbers were crunched to get the opinion desired.

Let's face it public opinion polls are nothing more that a form of Young Offenders Act for special interest groups and Liberals and NDP types to say they have a consensus for more taxes to even further obliterate the middle class in this country.

You know something naughty is being done to you but you don't know who's doing it. Get rid of the hide in the bushes before the mugging aspect of polls and they just might become a little more accurate. Or better still a thing of the past.

Posted by: Andrew Phillips | 2007-08-20 4:19:08 PM


Pollsters will lie in the public forums of who paid for what and when - over the years Pollsters have become more patronizing and arrogant,and are in fact out of control -the only polls in Nova Scotia that are reasonably honest and accurate are those from the Business Faculty Saint Mary's University Halifax HRM NS.professional political organizers will confirm that certain national polling companies are regularly bought by Bell Media CTV, Globe and Mail all the Liberal and Socialist Horde Media. In fact Andrew might I suggest you consider doing what our partners and I have done for years, ignore the polls and press on to the polling booths regardless -where the real decisions are made. Guy with the most "x's" wins
Liberal rule is, when in doubt, cheat. Stuffing ballot boxes used to be a regular event in elections on the real East Coast of Canada, but has declined in recent years as voters got more sophisticated. MacLeod

Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2007-08-20 5:02:15 PM


obc,

You sure?

I would have thought it might take someone with a slight bit more intelligence, to come up with a lower blow--and by that, he is incapable.

He's probably surfing the internet, to find a modern flagelation device, in order to rid himself of his affliction.

Posted by: Lady | 2007-08-20 5:36:55 PM


Well done, Terry. Pretend you don't play the game.

No matter, the Harper clones won't survive outside of Alberta anyway.

You tiny fringe are never going to be "rulers" of a Canada that is complex, interesting and real.

If Harper is a "symbol", play it please ...again....again...and ....again.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-08-20 5:52:46 PM


So marilyn - now that you've been proven a fabricator & liar once again, how dare you show your face here?!?

Did you miss the radio interview on CKNW? Or are you to ashamed to admit you were wrong or lying?

marilyn is not man enough to admit he was wrong, nor man enough to apologize either. Typical Leftoid behaviour!

BEGONE, UNION THUG SCOUNDREL!

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-20 6:01:12 PM


I always vote Mr. MacLeod, always will. As Winston Churchill once said words to the effect that it all works because someone walks into a little booth with a little pencil and a makes a little x.

So I'll make the walk on October 10 here in Ontario and do just that; make an x. The very real problem Mr. MacLeod is too many people don't make that x anymore. I have friends and I cannot make them see the absolute necessity of making that little x. They complain to high hell about everything and then sit at home watching TV yelling and screaming at the election results but they won't move.

As to polls I haven't placed any faith in them in many years. I merely suggested an idea that might make polling a little more transparent and honest. Lord knows we have a serious shortage of honesty in this country. We have to start somewhere and if we can get polls conducted more openly and actually reflecting the real opinion of people we might get my friends off their asses because they might actually regain something I think they have all lost. Hope.


Posted by: Andrew Phillips | 2007-08-20 6:04:03 PM


Munroe is definitly not a man by any yardstick. All a man has is his word monroe and you gave that up.

Anything out of your gob now is suspect and cannot be believed. Congratulations, you are less then a nobody.

Posted by: missing link | 2007-08-20 7:17:34 PM


Lady perpetrated an unprovoked attack on me. I can only assume it must be that time of month ... what can I say.

Why did she attack me? I was merely stating my opinion which is what this blog is for. Why do I need to suffer an attack from this women who obviously must ride a broom?

Again .. why the attack for merely stating my opinion. My opinion was not in any way an attack on her.

I can do better, but I will not waste my best on her.

I remain unapologetic.

Posted by: John | 2007-08-20 8:22:42 PM


Doesn't make you look sympathetic, John.

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-20 8:24:47 PM


More discoveries that the Muzzies will never achieve:

'We have broken speed of light'
Telegraph

A pair of German physicists claim to have broken the speed of light - an achievement that would undermine our entire understanding of space and time. According to Einstein's special theory of relativity, it would require an infinite amount of energy to propel an object at more than 186,000 miles per second.


There was a young lady of Wight, Who traveled much faster than light, She departed one day in a relative way, And arrived on the previous night.

Posted by: obc | 2007-08-20 8:38:25 PM


OBC are saying that Lady deserves sympathy ... that would imply that she is pathetic. I think you got it now.

I am not a sympathetic person nor am I compassionate to anything but animals. Humans can take care of themselves. Natural order dictates that those who cannot or will not take care of themselves will be slaves of someone else or simply die. That is the natural order and it is a reality.

That reality is ignored by the Left and that is what makes them look so insane.

Posted by: John | 2007-08-20 8:57:02 PM


I'm with John on this one.Primeminister Harper looked good when he was the opposition and sounded like the real deal when campaigning during the last election but in practice maybe not so much.I realise that he has to try to appeal to a broad range of voters all across the country in order to remain in power,or ever get a majority of seats in Ottawa.He's not going to get there by alienating his base supporters like the Reformers,Alliance and other conservative minded groups and individuals.
The people he is courting with this Kyoto b.s.,toning down his support for the military mission in Afganistan etc.will never EVER vote for him anyway.He should have stuck to his guns[and his conservative principles]and he would have impressed way more voters who are starving for a leader with at least some integrity.
Sadly it looks like politics as usual,same old same old, no matter who gets in.

Posted by: robert | 2007-08-20 9:57:08 PM


ROGER = ASSHOLE

some things never change

Posted by: Paul | 2007-08-20 10:32:49 PM


Time to remove the pollution from the topic!

Posted by: Alain | 2007-08-21 12:12:59 AM


All online polls mean nothing, they are Garbage, just like you said, Terry.

Posted by: Edmontonian | 2007-08-21 3:27:53 AM


It's this kind of crazed, illogical, and paranoid/conspiracy theory talk that makes me hide my subscription to the WS.

I am a conservative, but when I see fellow conservatives who rant and rave like this... Well, it does nothing for the movement.

Go to a liberal or socialist blog and you'll see wackos complain that pollsters are in league with conservatives. I have friends who work in polling and I know this is ridiculous (although the rub that lies in wait for you here is that more of the big name pollsters cut their teeth working for conservatives than the other parties.) The big-name pollsters in this country don't do paid political work aside for riding studies here and there - and they do those for who ever offers them money. Fact is, they can make way more money from federal and provincial government contracts than paid political polling - but to get those contracts, they have to be seen as politically unbiased and independent. Duh.

The public political polls you see are not paid for by anyone - it's all for their media clients or just to keep their names in the news. It's free publicity/advertising.

As for this poll, John is right. I'm on the Angus Reid online panel - anyone can be. This poll that is being referred to is just a poll to lure people to their sign-up page. They don't release the results of these. I do their online polls via my membership in their panel, and the questions are the standard format you see from every other pollster - not like this one. This one is just bait - looks like y'all took it ... the wrong way.

I followed the link provided above by john? ... i never noticed they released the results of a lot of the polls i've been doing. But, from trolling through their media releases I discovered that they called the Quebec and Manitoba elections right on the money - with an online polls. My friends say online polling is reliable and the future - and they know their stuff re: stats etc. So, I'll trust them. I'm just a policy guy, not a data cruncher. Plus, the results/predictions speak for themselves.

Anyway, how about some reasoned thought from my fellow conservatives rather than angry, kneejerk and ill-informed ranting?

Posted by: MS | 2007-08-21 8:02:35 AM


And you will remain NOT a gentleman, for a very very very long time--your choice--a reflection of you AND, exists in reality whether I make observation and say something or not.

As for your sexist comments, that is a reflection of you, and your condition.

You are either a lonely miserable person, or the person you are with, is lonely and miserable.

People who choose not to vote, have lost their right to complain.

And it just so happens that if you do not vote for the right party, you will be tooting those submissive values, because by standing back and saying you don't vote, you support the leftists.

Posted by: Lady | 2007-08-21 4:56:53 PM


I donated ALOT to the conservatives last time, and I am really disappointed.
Spending is going up and up. They should be cutting income tax, not the GST.

The long gun registry is still there.
They are even bringing back liberal programs now.

I am glad they are bringing the military back to where they should be , but I would still like to see the federal government shrink much more instead of grow.

We either get big spending liberals, or big spending conservatives....they just spend cash on differant things.
Maybe I will run as a libertarian in my area.
http://jimcotton.blogspot.com

Posted by: JimCotton | 2007-08-21 10:00:41 PM


We need a Ron Paul in Canada. If you don't know who Ron Paul is.....google his name.

Posted by: JimCotton | 2007-08-21 10:02:19 PM



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