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Thursday, July 19, 2007

NDP are demanding that Stephane Dion take action against David Pretlove and Suzan Pawlak

Suzan Pawlak has been charged with over 40 counts relating to $15,000 that has gone missing from the London riding association of the federal Liberal Party.

Last year she was the treasurer for the riding association, but when the money was first noticed missing, she had moved on and was employed by David Pretlove, the director of the federal Liberal Party in Ontario.

What makes that significant is that months before the charges were laid, before even the police became involved, David Pretlove offered to cover the riding association's losses on the condition that no formal police or party investigation take place.

The offer seemed very strange at the time, and was rejected by the riding association.  Now that we know that one of his employees has been charged, the offer goes well past strange.  It raises questions about what Pretlove knew about the missing money, of Pawlak's possible involvement, and what would have prompted him to make that offer, if he did know about Pawlak's alleged role in the matter.

That strangeness has not escaped the attention of the NDP, who have issued a press release:

Liberals are still resisting accountability and courting scandal, says NDP MP Paul Dewar. Dewar is demanding Liberal Leader Stephane Dion show real leadership and suspend his Director of Finance and Administration, pending the outcome of a court case involving the alleged theft of $15,000.

Dewar called on the Liberal leader to address the issue immediately.

"It is baffling why Mr. Dion hasn't dealt with this issue. He needs to learn the lessons of the sponsorship scandal. You can't simply turn a blind eye to serious allegations like this," said Dewar. "Mr. Pretlove needs to be suspended immediately, pending the outcome of the legal case against his former employee Ms. Powlak."

Will the Stephane Dion act on this?  Not immediately, if he stays true to form.  His weak hold on the leadership of the party makes it difficult to move against anyone, for fear of emboldening his enemies.  In any case, when the mainstream media picks up on this story, we will see the pressure build, unless Pretlove can explain his actions ahead of that gathering storm.

[From an expanded post at Angry in the Great White North]

Posted by Steve Janke on July 19, 2007 | Permalink


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What's a few thousand dollars matter as long as the country stays together?

Posted by: wallyj | 2007-07-19 1:00:21 PM

Good answer,good answer,it worked for me.

Posted by: Jon Chretin | 2007-07-19 1:02:17 PM

What's a few thousand dollars among friends eh?

Those Dippers are in high gear with a demand a day. While everyone else is out BBQing they're busy saving us all from certain ruin.

Posted by: LizJ | 2007-07-19 1:17:12 PM

Liz, this must make you speechless. You can either support the NDP or defend the Liberals. C'mon - choose!

Posted by: munroe | 2007-07-19 1:33:49 PM

Ms Munroe, I don't engage in banter with Prigs. Get it?

Posted by: LizJ | 2007-07-19 1:42:41 PM

"In any case, when the mainstream media picks up on this story, we will see the pressure build," etc., -

Would that be the same Canadian MSM that turned a wilful blind eye to a decade of Federal Liberal government malfeasance, Steve?

Just wondering.

Posted by: Joe Molnar | 2007-07-19 2:10:25 PM

Mr. Dion is working through his backlog. His first priority it to bring Liberal MPs responsible for Adscam to justice.

Posted by: Richard Ball | 2007-07-19 2:15:58 PM

I was thinking of the same MSM that moved the Farhan Chak story forward.

Posted by: Steve Janke | 2007-07-19 2:21:32 PM

RB,I am waiting with bated breath. Breault was convicted for passing stolen money to 12 Quebec MP's.One would think it would be a simple thing to find out which 12 MP's recieved the money,but for some reason they have never been named.

Posted by: wallyj | 2007-07-19 2:22:14 PM

It looks like this was "hush" money but the question is was it inappropriate hush money to protect someone or proper hush money to protect business operations.

For example, lets say the Libs have a pad lock on their bank account ( i.e financial controls and audits ). Over the past decade someone has figured out a way to pic the lock and scam 15 G.

The thing to do, of course, is to get a better lock. But what if the new lock ( i.e. increased controls and audits) will cost 150 G over the next decade ? The lock will cost more than the potential losses over the next decade.

Assuming that everyone still thinks the present lock works fine there is only a slight risk that one or two people over the next decade will discover the flaw and take advantage of it. Risk analysis indicates that it does not make good business sense to shell out 10 times the potential loss from theft just to prevent it.

On the other hand, if you go to the police and the method for defeating the lock becomes public knowledge then the math changes. Rather than risk one or two people scamming everyone knows the lock is flawed and there is a much larger potential loss from theft. You pretty much have to change the lock.

The Libs may have offered hush money for that purpose. Suppose it will cost the association an additional 1,000 per year in audit fees. Multiply that by each fed and provincial riding in the country ( because they all use the same lock) and that's 100's of G a year to stop a theft that up to now only one person has been able to pull off for 15 G. There are ( or were ) negative cost/benefit implications in going public.

A similar , real life, example can be found in the Kryptonite bike lock scandal. When they first introduced the Ulock they offered a guarantee that if the lock was properly used and your bike was still stolen they would buy you a new bike.

Turned out that the lock could be picked in less than a minute with a simple 29 cent plastic bic pen. The thing to do would have been to issue a product recall and replace all those locks one might think. But the company did the math - a product recall would cost millions but since only relatively few people knew about the flaw it was much less expensive to buy the occasional victim a new bike.

That all changed with blogs and You Tube when people started posting " how to'" on them. Now just about the whole world knew how to steal a bike with a bic pen and the math changed. They risked spending more on replacing bikes than on replacing locks - so they finally issued a recall.

Posted by: Nbob | 2007-07-19 2:27:03 PM

Boy Nbob, sounds like you think all Liberals are crooked and would steal from themselves, only given the knowledge and how-to!

Posted by: ld | 2007-07-19 2:40:58 PM

At least the Dippers have some sense of right and wrong.

Where they fail is in having trust in the state to impose a political morality.

Posted by: set you free | 2007-07-19 3:14:36 PM

Here in tiny perfect Moncton NB we are convinced Citoyen Dion is about to be promoted to Corporal in the French Army - that's where Napoleon started. How can a Corporal in the French Army get to be Prime Minister of Canada? -write Warren Kinsella and ask!
Jeez, what a mess the fast fading Liberals have got themselves into - maybe Chretien will come back before his anticipated Trial - MacLeod

Posted by: Jack Macleod | 2007-07-19 3:17:09 PM

Well, liz can't answer a simple query because for her there can be no answer.

A survey released today shows that Gomery is only a top issue with 1% of Canadians. Finally along comes a story about a Liberal allegedly stealing $15,000 from the Liberals and it is centerpieced.

Why is the question. Likely because the bloom is fading and with it the attractiveness of the Conservatives. Without scandal, policies come to the fore and the Conservatives are found wanting. I hope everyone noticed that Harper slipped again is now tied at 31% with Dion.

Liz, I hope you noticed that Harper is even despite the fact other parties are now preferred by 3 of every 4 Canadian women.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-07-19 3:57:34 PM

Don't underestimate what's left of the Liberals, it's not all that meets the eye. They are not straight shooters, they're connivers of the first order and are bolstered by their friends in the media. It's like fighting with one hand disabled.

The only hope for good governance to continue under this Government is if the people have clued in to what transpired over the past decade under the Liberals and decide not to reward corruption.

If Corruption is rewarded we are in deep trouble, some of the same operatives are still in the shadows ready to go again.

Posted by: LizJ | 2007-07-19 4:39:20 PM

Liz, I hope you noticed that Harper is even despite the fact other parties are now preferred by 3 of every 4 Canadian women.
Posted by: munroe
Polls smolls, it just depends on which poll you are looking at, and how and what questions are asked.
Heres a bunch of polls for you poll addicts.

Posted by: Alan | 2007-07-19 4:43:48 PM

I don't believe that "Liberals are all crooks".

I do believe however that the Liberal power structure has a number of crooks in it, as is obvious from the Gomery Enquiry and Adscam. But the rank and file? I don't believe so.

Any organization out there with finances and a system in place where people are trusted not to steal, is going to get burnt. This was a case of an insider stealing from her own organization, and is a far cry from the institutionalized graft and theft and malfeasance that went forward during Adscam.

The NDP are taking the high road again, as usual, I think mostly because they don't have a prayer in the next election, or any other foreseeable election. The best thing that Stephan Harper and his party can do is let this thing play out, and not jump on it and get all political. That could backfire.

And personally, I don't believe any poll is truly accurate if it has the likes of a little dick-head like Dion running equal in popularity to Mr. Harper.

So the whole thing is apolitical.

Posted by: DCM | 2007-07-19 5:03:05 PM

The NDP are now trying to distance themselves from the thieves.

Posted by: Lady | 2007-07-19 5:21:12 PM

Polls, smolls is right. Of course if the poll was taken right after Dinky Dion made his appearance at the Calgary Stampede, dressed as a Cowboy telling his unintelligible golf "joke", well maybe.....
The "joke" needed a little something, like, "end of joke, laugh now".
I know, "that's not fair".

One thing the Liberal trolls cannot deny is corruption was their downfall. Honorable mention to the Chretien-Martin feud which served to divide over several years of Martin's lusting for top job.

Posted by: LizJ | 2007-07-19 6:11:48 PM

Alan, thanks for the link. As you can see the trend line ends in mid-May and showed the drop in Conservative support by then. The latest update confirming the slide was published in the Globe this morning and identified the slide had brought the Conservatives and the Liberals to even strength.

I perhaps should not have used Dion and Harper in the one line of my original post as the parties are tied, but Harper is personally more popular, (but not in Montreal where Layton beats them both).

Seems the Conservatives do quite a bit of polling. I wonder why if the polls are worthless.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-07-19 6:23:03 PM

"Seems the Conservatives do quite a bit of polling. I wonder why if the polls are worthless."

As all the major parties do quite a bit of polling, either the polls are accurate and most parties are sorely disappointed on a regular base but hide it...or...the polls are useless.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-07-19 7:06:56 PM

H2, mine was merely a response to the "agnostics" or detractors above.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-07-19 8:13:38 PM

And your point was?

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-07-19 8:38:42 PM

H2, my point was to respond to the detractors posting above.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-07-19 10:35:50 PM


Oh, detractors. Interesting language.

On the right, non dope smoking part of the populace, that's known as a difference of opinion.

Detractors implies you have a monopoly on the truth and people with other opinions are not as wise as you are.

Is that what you mean by detractors?

Or is it those noisy farm impliments?

Posted by: set you free | 2007-07-19 10:41:30 PM

Evidently SYF you got lost when you made that last right hand turn. This thread began with an alleged theft of a small amount of money by a Liberal from the Liberals. It quickly became a case of "oh those corrupt Liberals". I pointed to polling figures today that showed the "corruption" issue, played so heavily by Harper in the last election, had lost its traction as had the Conservatives generally. From this we got the usual polls are meaningless commentaries by detractors. I pointed out that of course the Conservatives themselves do major polling.

I hope that was slow enough for you to understand. It has nothing to do with monopolies on the truth. Opinions are fine and so is pointing out their inconsistencies.

Evidently, it's not a skill you have mastered.

Posted by: munroe | 2007-07-19 11:34:42 PM

"Evidently, it's not a skill you have mastered."

. . . but marilyn has bated.

Posted by: obc | 2007-07-20 1:55:25 AM

"H2, my point was to respond to the detractors posting above."

No! That's an action. A point (in this context) is an abstract concept you were attempting to put forth.

What concept were you implying?

Posted by: h2o273kk9 | 2007-07-20 5:59:50 PM

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